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lyamc #ableist #transphobia

I know a few transgender people in the industry. Those that I know are not autistic. Who are you to pretend that there's a link between the two? Reliable citation needed.

You're then falsely claiming that gender identity is a hardened sex fetish. Long debunked nonsense. Considering your ignorance, we're back to the fact that you're unqualified and that it's just bigotry.

It's not society and human rights that sound like a cult to me.

What is this off-topic advocacy doing on a software forum?

Jman420 #conspiracy

So vaccines were not invented because some infections are notoriously potentially serious or lethal? And we have magical medications that can cure everything? And the immune system is guaranteed to magically fight every virus? What when the immune system overreacts and is partly responsible for death? Something that a low dose artificial agent to trigger immunity can help to prevent. Also, antivirals exist for some viruses, but it's often too late when administered and can have serious unwanted side effects. The safety of vaccines is much higher, serious side effects are rare. Vaccines can be planned and preventative, protecting a population and preventing or breaking epidemics.

Because of this irrational fear of effective preventative medicine, some diseases that were once almost completely eliminated have come back in some regions. Ignorance and misinformation and disinformation can harm society.

Telepylus #conspiracy

Your initial premise is false. There was no cow lips laser surgery. Only the fact that when a dead cow is found, because of dehydration and the fact that the mouth is one of the externally visible body openings, lips shrink, change appearence and also get attacked by parasites. Then of course, there's natural predation as well as human activity. It's not aliens who kill elephants and steal their tusks. A false premise means that your whole argument based on it becomes irrelevant speculation. You immediately jump to the most outlandish conclusions about mundane matters and ignorance.

Led Zeppelin #conspiracy

For you it's about people who believe or not and people who agree or not. But in the real world, there are facts and some people also expect evidence to accept claims. It's not all equal opinions.

Also, the food chain is nefarious, because the end result is food into your body?

Did you know that well water may contain more fluoride and that tea also contains some? Do you understand the purpose of controlling water fluoride levels? Do you know that a bit of it is healthy? All of that must be discarded in favor of straw men and paranoid conspiracy theories?

Moonshoe #conspiracy

C. Denial - They are so uncomfortable with the implications, they will deny it no matter how strong the evidence.

That's like for gods of the gaps and afterall, ETs are often the new demons of old adapted with pseudoscience. Because there's no evidence and that when there's actually something it's discovered to be a balloon or human airplane or other mundane explanation, they must have superpowers, must become interdimensional. And the world who doesn't see them must be claimed to nefariously be denying evidence. There's no "denial of evidence" to make when the "evidence" are only claims, testimonials, business like entertainment and tourism and misrepresented information.

We know that dinosaurs existed because we have ample evidence of it. We know that ancient aliens stories are likely false because there's no evidence for it, and we know that those who promote them even push pseudohistory to misattribute ancient civilizations, that's evidence of: a motive to deceive. We know that birds exist because there's plenty of evidence and we all see them all the time. We know that demons are unlikely to exist and that they are a product of the human imagination, we like entertaining fantasies and to deny death. We can diagnose psychiatric and neurological conditions that used to be misunderstood.

We know that the universe is old and large enough for life to sometimes occur in it, the reason we're here. But we also know that it's rare enough that two intelligent civilizations in space would be unlikely to ever discover eachother. The Fermi Paradox...

So as a conspiracy theorist, you attack scapegoats, accusing them of nefarious activity and of hiding evidence. Evidence that never existed. So you're alienated and are promoting alienation.

D-App #conspiracy

You mean those statements made by conspiracy theorists? Because there never was enough mercury in vaccines to be a concern and there never was a link between vaccines and autism. Even if there's a conspiracy theories tradition claiming it. It'd be normal for an expert health body to disregard a bunch of letters by conspiracy theorists. Assuming that they really discarded anything, because you may as well be lying.

The "the media does not want you to know" is also typical of conspiracy theorists. It's normal that non-crackpot and non-malicious sources don't actively promote falsehoods and that's not persecution.

bingbling #conspiracy

The mind is complex with a tendency for self-deception. Many issues (let's take obsessive fixation as an example) are difficult to detect by only looking at an image of the brain. It's false that some are not visible. And progress in neurology is slow but steady. Your argument is like saying that because you can't see a virus with your naked eyes, you must deny the germ theory of disease despite the evidence.

There's evidence that some people suffer from psychiatric and psychological conditions and that some medicines and cognitive therapies can improve the situation, even if you decide to ignore and deny it.

An unfortunate symptom of some conditions even include paranoia and fear that can interfere with treatment, reject diagnosis, etc. Some people really need temporary supervision. And sometimes, hospitalization. The poor reputation of old asylums and psychosurgery don't help, but we're way past that in most societies. Psychiatry has also improved, like with new generations of antipsychotics and antidepressants with less undesirable side effects, more selective.

Jvells #conspiracy

There's a point where conspiracy theorists lose faith in humanity to a point where everything must be fully corrupt to the bone. An exemple that radicalization can also lead to poor mental health. At that point, the reliable authoritative sources on a topic are no longer trusted either and are perceived as a disinformation propaganda tool. And all the expertise behind it is disregarded. Those experts who spend their lives doing routine forensics disappear or are also only propagandists. But strangely, the actual disinformation propagandists and crazy conspiracy theorists who do not deserve any attention are held as persecuted idols, whistleblowing martyrs.

omegafaust #conspiracy

fluffy clouds #conspiracy

Just a note that "depressants" in drugs have little to do with conditions called "depression". Depressants are sedative, the opposite of stimulants. For the same reason, stimulants are also not a cure for depression. It's two different concepts using a common name.

Eldad Eshel #conspiracy

"If Uri said it it must be true" is very unconvincing to me. Your source is primary with a conflict of interest and notorious for deceiving with "magic" tricks. It's true that there's no evidence of successful telepathy, only impressions of people with their biases and many anecdotal stories.

This reminds me of people interacting with animals and seeing more to it than what animals can really understand, projecting their own into them. Some even claim to communicate telepathically with them. It turns out that for pets rituals and body language are very important and some will even recognize situations by odor. A well established relationship with a tamed pet is enriching and there is actual communication, but the pet still only understands the basics that interest them greatly and within the limits of their intelligence. Attention, affection, food, play, prey, some level of empathy/trust messaging, etc.

With humans, we also assume a lot, but there's much more non-spoken baggage that is shared, including cultural aspects. That's also why "telepathy" appears to "work better" with very familiar people, especially a brother or sister. People also tend to involuntarily give out many clues. But some substances also give illusions of much deeper telepathy, notably hallucinogens like psilocybin and LSD. These delusions not only include impressions of telepathy with people, but also some of deep communion with nature, sensations that recall animism (which may also partly derive from such human experiences), etc. One of the unfortunate symptoms of psychosis is the fear that other people are invading and reading their thoughts.

Then there's divination: many people self-trick into believing that there's really something special at work (autodeception).

As part of the scientific method, it's important to take common human mistakes and biases in consideration. So techniques like double blind experiments and declaring/avoiding confict of interests help.

Joker Flash #conspiracy

keepsake #conspiracy

The blind trying to lead the blind? Afterall, after trying to look at the Sun for too long...

"It's only electromagnetic radiation, there is no atmosphere to filter it and there is no light!"

Maybe I should add that because of the lack of an atmosphere in the space vacuum, when not in the shadows (directly under the Sun rays), the heat is immediately intense.

NightNd1 #conspiracy

If aliens are so wonderful and pure in spirit then why do they mutilate cattle while the animal is alive and conscious?

Well, they're not, and they don't, maam.

Basically, you need to stay the fuck away from alien spacecraft if and when you eventually see one.

And away from mushrooms.

What the fuck could be worse than being murdered?

Being tortured and kept alive a long time by the evil probing aliens? Or, turning you into a newt, of course.

NlightNme #conspiracy

RogerRabbit #conspiracy

I invoke the mighty power of the pyramids to clean your mind of all confusion and reveal the crystal clear reality. Ommmmmmmmm! Hmm, if this doesn't work, oh well, so much for pyramid power.

And as someone said, indeed, Galileo gambit.

Grumpyorc #conspiracy

So independent expert virologists, epidemiologists, immunologists, etc. And expert health bodies. All fully corrupt yes-men for the Big-Pharma, so they make homeopathic water and push false statistics and recommendations?

Where do you live, sir? Alpha Centaury? Oh. It's not like that on Earth, sir. Not yet. I also recommend consuming a little less of those mushrooms.

Vitalux #conspiracy

the harmful affects to the brain from fluoride

Your problem is that it's never been true that normal fluoride levels in water harm, and that it's actually beneficial. As long as you continue with false premises, you'll be alienated to reality and invent nefarious cabal conspiracy theories to justify the fact that the world doesn't bow to your orders because of your falsehoods. If you care about brain damage, look at lead. If you care about healthy brains, I suggest education and critical thinking, rather than paranoid indoctrination and radicalization.

Barbara H. Peterson #conspiracy

Because this account also promoted untenable anti-fluoridation conspiracies:

Let’s see if I have this straight. Marijuana, natural, grown in your backyard: BAD! Marijuana farms, licensed by the feds and operated by the DEA for Big Pharma, and most likely genetically modified in a laboratory: GOOD!

Natural sources of fluoride, like well water, tea, etc. Good! Even if concerning levels.
Controlled levels of fluoride in city water: BAD! The nefarious government cabals wants to genocide you! The fluorine is toxic!!!

Table salt adaptation:

Sea salt: Good! Even if too much of it is corrosive or too much sodium may harm.
Table salt: BAD! The government wants to bleach your cells with chlorine and blow them up with sodium! Raah, evil iodine poison! Genocide!

GMO adaptation:

Natural crops more vulnerable to desease and parasitic infestation: Good! Including naturally toxic peas.
GMO enhanced crops: BAD! Monsanto conspiracy to genocide you!

Vaccine adaptation:

Human immunity triggered by an infection, even if a potentially lethal virus: Good! Natural!
Human immunity safely triggered by a vaccine against a potentially lethal virus: BAD! The government genetically engineering you for genocide!

Hey, Barbara, don't you understand that this is bad??? So off to the beach you go, says the nefarious government who wants to genocide you but never managed to do it! Stop littering the internet! (I'm not the government, it's parody).

Barbara H. Peterson #conspiracy

Peter Strahl #conspiracy

The Jew cabals destroyed Catholicism but it's still the largest Christian denomination and the Jews remain a minority. Interesting. What do you make of the Inquisition, a non-fictious event, unlike yours? What do you make of the crimes agaisnt humanity by the Nazi Christians? Of the current Russian imperialism, self-professed Christian?

But no, it must always be the Jews. I'm not Jewish, BTW. But I gladly denounce your bullshit. Right now there's a far-right regime in Israel deserving rightful criticism and perhaps sanctions. International Jewry also protests about it.

Jaroslav Kukla #racist

Mark Anderson #conspiracy #dunning-kruger

"They're forcing industrial waste fluoride down our throats!"

You should probably worry more about general environmental degradation and lead, because it's true up to some extent for general pollution, just not forced on you as "medication".

Isabelle Z. #conspiracy

"Fluoride eats your very soul out of your body! Drink Sun-blessed holy water to save it."

Tea and natural well water have higher fluoride levels. But something that may really affect your brain is lead. Do you care about lead?

Flouride Action Network #conspiracy

Frivolous pseudoscientific fear mongering conspiracy theories. If this was malicious rather than ignorant, it would suggest action against general healthcare to exploit a more vulnerable destitute population. What US Republicans apparently actively do for stratification and systemic racism, demonizing all progress as "woke"... But isn't fluoride scare traditionally moonbattery?

Flouride Action Network #conspiracy

There's generally higher levels in natural well water, sometimes so much that it must be treated. Another common natural source is tea. I don't believe you, about the trials. It's not a novel molecule. Billions have been consuming it in safe quantities. There can be a problem with overdose during child development, resulting in fluorosis, that's already understood. That does not happen with controlled levels in water. For toothpaste, it's clearly indicated not to swallow it, not only because of fluoride. There are safer forms for infants. If you're concerned about neurological damage from environmental threats, you should look for lead instead.

back2thebible #fundie

Sure. But what about the teapot in orbit? What about the pope? What about the China mountain? I was there drinking high mountain semi-oxydized oolong tea with the pope last week. In the China mountain in orbit. The Earth was clearly visible from out there and was neither flat nor round. It was actually a 1D rod. As we approach, it spaghettificates and folds and gives us the impression that it's flat or round, depending. If you're a neophyte, it appears to be flat. If you're a kungfu master, it's an oblate spheroid. But only a ninja can break the illusion and see the rod from the surface. Ninjas can ride the spaghetti. I'm a level 46 ninja, the pope is level 777 ninja. Noob.

Jokes aside, the first comment by an unknown author is rather insightful. In another post I also noted how the dogma apparently assumes that Satan created the world, so that it's full of deception for all the honest enterprise of science to be supremely misled. But the outlandish paranoid conspiracy theories accuse scientists of being evil Satanic cabalists. Revealing the reality that the believers have just lost access to reality, are completely alienated. Or are promoting said alienation ideology, for questionable purposes, like the radicalization in extremism, and/or exploitative scams.

AVoice #fundie

many atheists cannot accept evolution because of the IT technology within living organisms

The what? If you knew anything, you would acknowledge that evolution is not a belief system and that not only atheists can acknowledge that. What I remember that may be close to "IT tech" in organisms are pseudoscientific spiritualist claims of whole-planet mushroom networks forming the "conscious mother gaia". That's religion. Neural networks exist in our bodies, they're not human or IT technology, they're very organic and the only explanation for their structure is still biological evolution. Because our brain evolved, there's also no evidence of human-like designed technology at work. The system is massively parallel and erratic with variations in every person, due to their individual development. And it's obvious when looking at other mammals how the basics are the same, again because we have evolved and descend through common ancestors.

The media is non-stop deluding the masses, along with the education system

Grandiose paranoid conspiracy theories. It sounds like an "ancient suppressed alien tech" nut to me. Only there's nothing suppressed, it's only that your fictitious "technologies" never existed and worked. Reliable verified knowledge is not "herd mentality", that's your argument to reject actual reality and embrace extremist nonsense.

back2thebible #fundie

I was a globe earther

Well that's tragic, for you, not for me. What does that have anything to do with Jesus' message of love? Where did he affirm that the Earth was flat anyway? There's an old verse about a "circle of the Earth" that some interpret as sphere. It wasn't a claim of Jesus. Even if it was, how would ancient humans without access to science know better than we do? If they had divine insight and you claim to possess that, why does your twisted view of the world contradict reality? If it was the true message, if you were the true witness, wouldn't we feel enlightened by your "insight" instead of concluding that you're crazy? Do you know that it's not difficult to verify by yourself that the Earth is actually round? Instead of rejecting all the best data we have that strongly shows that, you could suddenly open to the real world in awe.

back2bible #fundie

Radicalized to the point of total alienation, where the Earth is flat despite all the evidence to the contrary and where paranoid conspiracy theories are entertained even against space research, to demonize reality. Who is your allegiance to, crackpot?

As for your grandiose "Satanic deception of evolution", you believe that Satan planted all that ancient evidence, runs the biological processes to also deceive current experiments, that it's all just an illusion? Why does Yahweh allow Satan to deceive all of humanity that way? Does it mean that Satan created the Earth? Because you also discard strong geological and physics evidence. We live in the artificial matrix? It comes back to the first impression: total alienation (not for humanity, for you). The evidence that the earth is not the center of the universe is not only a collection of stories, the rest of the world doesn't work like you do.

MarkSC #fundie

A-priori conclusions, cherry picking and confirmation bias and misrepresentation are the fundamentalist's "research method". Thus that is also projected against science. Except that with science, the conclusions were not a-priori, they were derived from observation of the natural world and the best explanations for the evidence. It's not because the conclusion is derived from a modern inerrantist literalist interpretation of an ancient human tradition's literature (like the Abrahamic origin myths) that the conclusion is valid. Expert theologians also understand that these are symbolic origin myths of an ancient people, so you're on slippery ground even scripturally.

So you may claim to study all you want, as long as you are unable to post your material in peer reviewed reputable scientific journals, so that other scientists be able to replicate your experiments and achieve your conclusions, you are not doing science. As long as you work with confirmation bias and presupposed conclusions, you are not doing science. If you were doing science, you would acknowledge and deal with such human fallacies as part of the method.

A statistical glitch never suddenly discards a whole body of evidence because you must support your favorite view of the world. This is also why you discard the evaluations of such glitches by actual experts. Because you work by accumulative argument, rather than evidence and testing, your living tradition of arguments keeps growing with unquestionable claims even if they were discarded by those who know. There's even a business model behind the deception...

And because of this, some creationists beg other creationists to stop repeating some old arguments that are long understood to be false even by other creationists. But because it's religion and sectarianism, there will never be unification. Some authors attempt to reconcile them, these books can be called harmonies. It's still only the standardization of dogmatic tradition of pseudoscientific claims.

Deception goes as far as readapting the old literature of the "creation science" movement to remove direct references to God and trying to push that in schools, trying to force "Intelligent Design" creationism with the "wedge strategy", by authoritarian policy. The propaganda method is still not the scientific method, it's like Lysenkoism, populist doctrine dictation.

If you really actually look at the overwhelming evidence of evolution, it's all clearly exposed. It requires some humility and leaving arrogance behind to acknowledge it. Just like about other major discoveries that removed men from the center of the universe. Some Christians accept reality. Why can't you?

StefieJ #fundie

"My faith is not just faith, it's much more than only faith. Even scientists and atheists share it."

Denial of the fact that pseudoscientific creationist arguments are not science. But some atheists may really be part of their religion or church, they may be captive in it a while, for various reasons. Then science does not equal atheism, even if creationists commonly accuse society and science of atheism in their "worldy people" straw men. Knowledge is dangerous to irrational ideologies.

Some comments mentioned Raelians and it's an interesting question. Raelians however believe in magical technology, like soul cloning or preservation and transplant by supremely powerful beings (like the Jesus alien). Because biological cloning cannot copy/restore memories or personality, but they bank in on members wanting to preserve some of their DNA for cloning purposes. This means that it's not molecular duplication, the "soul" needs more traditional migration theological dogma. The anthropomorphic aliens they believe in would have technology so advanced that it's like angels and gods. They also have metaphysical beliefs and practice "spiritual" (and sexual) meditation rituals. In a way, it's similar to Buddhism with Greek-Christian mythology. Some say that Buddhism is non-theistic, some could argue that Raelism may also not be. It's also still a personality cult where the guru is like a Hindu godman and their sex meditation is inspired from tantrism. Confused new-age opportunistic syncretic nonsense. After various failed attempts to become wealthy, Vorillon finally hit the spot with a cult.

danielbauwens #homophobia

Dehumanization: denial that people you don't like are humans deserving the same dignity as other humans. Humans are all great apes, but that's something else. Then there's the denial that harassing other people is harm and this is evidence that it's not really for their wellbeing. You wouldn't be polluting Deviant Art with your bigotted bullshit if you were following the teachings of Jesus anyway, hypocrite. If your god really existed, he'd likely let you know that you're soiling his name for your personal gratification.

From another comment by HappyGazpacho:

Of course, that law was for the Israelites, not us (another good argument). We, as a species are too numerous. There are just too damn many of us. So homosexuality isn't going to damage our "tribe."

To radicalized elitist bigots who weaponize false authorities to affirm their self-proclaimed superiority, everybody else are not "us", it's "the worldly people", etc. It is indeed similar to with racism and is often mixed in with it. Dominionist white supremacist self-professed Christians see "the other" as threatening, constantly pushes a tradition of conspiracy theories against them. They espouse identity politics and wish to control the state to dominate, massively force them out or exterminate them. It's the new Inquisition, the Neo-Nazism, etc. Their extremist militias are preparing to weaponize unrest in their favor, some actively push war accelerationism. Not all Christians are into that of course, and many understand that they will face persecution themselves if that happens.

Then at a smaller scale within Christianity are the narcissists of the same type, who know they will never rule the world, but try to rule in their little church in the same way. Ambitious, constant hateful virtue signaling, attention seeking, god complex. They're often predators, other people are perceived as inferior, part of a narcissist's actual inferiority and their inability to empathically understand the harm they cause. In some cases, clinical sociopaths. The patriarchal structure enables them. That's other than financial fraud and business exploitation of the members...

Why is feminism and the LGBTQ considered so threatening? Outside of the totalitarian patriarchy control with its enforced stereotypes.

danielbauwens #fundie

The Jehovah's Witnesses constantly say to love the person but to hate their sin. This "logic" obviously enables bigotry and promotes the disdain of others, especially in a cult context where "sin" means anything they tell you not to do (smoking, voting, celebrating a birthday, masturbation, thoughtcrime like sex appeal, whatever). The result is the toxic environment of a high control cult, its peer pressure and its rumors chatting about everyone, etc.

Here it's similar but a threat or wish of eternal torment is expressed. Not all Christians believe in hell (the scriptural basis for the doctrine is weak and subject to interpretation) and those who do often also believe in other temporary punishments of sorts like purgatory or karma, because they find untenable the idea of a supposedly loving creator who actively tricks its creation so that its destiny is eternal suffering. Then there's the fact that it's an imaginary being in a book of human tradition, there are good reasons to be moderate and agnostic. And if you're Christian, Jesus told you to love and to not judge, meaning that your hell threat is not only disrespectful and hateful but also illicit.

So it's easily reflected back, with an actual scriptural basis: Matthew 7:1-5 (do not judge and you shall be judged the same), so what could happen: Matthew 7:22-23 ("but Jeez, I preached in your name... plzzzzz!" "I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.")

So yeah, you should think before threatening people, hypocrite. When you speak for your group, you're also tainting its reputation. If your churches are empty, it's not for no reason. If yours somehow had actual divine support, there would be no unbeleivers. And as shown above, that's unlikely.

danielbauwens #fundie #homophobia

Your verse is taken out of context and has nothing to do with sex and love (and you are the one reversing the meaning of a fallacy). Your cannibalism is harmless argument is ridiculous: if it's a funerary rite, consumers may potentially be affected by disease they are unlikely to be able to protect themselves against, like prion transmission. If it's not a funerary rite, it implies murder. Your "appeal to nature fallacy" is also out of context: your claim that some forms of sex humans naturally practice are unnatural is the natural fallacy and evidence in nature proves otherwise (exists in humans, exists in other animals, humans are mammal animals). Just like Godwin's law doesn't apply when it's actual Nazism. Just like appeal to authority is out of context when the "authority" is authoritative or when it's about a verified fact. You don't get to decide what "homosexuals" and others say or not, especially when you're obviously wrong on the internet. They can also tell you that they detected your frivolous bigotry spamming and identified your fallacies. And why was that on Deviant Art?

Christian Bad Boy #fundie #homophobia

Jesus kissed his disciples and told you to love other people. In some cultures, heterosexual men kiss. In others, people in the same family still kiss. As a heterosexual man in a culture where men don't usually kiss socially, am I comfortable with it? Sometimes, not always, I can be shy. What about when I see it? I don't care about social kisses but may find deep erotic kissing strange. The latter is true between a man and a woman in front of me too, depending. If I don't expect it or am not interested in a woman, I may also find an unexpected kiss from her invasive. Children find it repulsive too. I doubt that gay men often deeply erotically kiss in front of you and if you see it on the media you're always free to look away. The end of your statement suggests that you would like to cast them out of existence. What about those who just live their life privately as anyone else, consenting lovers? They don't bother me and deserve the right to love and respect. Some are my friends and respectable.

So, was hate speech the purpose? Effective or not, my question is: why the need to express your disgust and wish that they didn't exist to the world? They do exist and it's not their fault. Many more do and did throughout history and you don't know. It could be someone in your family. Do gay people post notes on your door saying that you should not exist? Or how disgusting it may be for them to kiss someone they're not interested in? Why do you harass them (and everybody else) on a web forum with your uncalled-for bigotry?

Raypare #fundie

Your pseudoscientific "substance" argument appears to rely on an extremely simple view of the world, like those models magicians use to play mind games with, pretending that perhaps the "reflective model" might also allow to reflect will on the actual world.

The "is not physical" argument is often used by fundamentalists about anything they refuse to acknowledge actually has a physical basis, but that they cannot immediately grasp. It's like an ironic form of metaphysical idealist physicalist realism: if I can't touch it, it's non-material, but, everything I can imagine exists. Also related to god of the gaps: if I can't "touch" my ideas, it means that it's in the realm of the divine, where my imaginary beings also exist.

In realty, the mind is a complex product of the neurology of the brain, resting on actual physical processes, like electricity and chemistry. Neurosurgeons have discovered a number of neurological correlates of direct consciousness and experience. Further evidence is that when we engineer with inspiration from neurology, we achieve technological applications, for instance image recognition. It may never fully be explored, but does a hole in knowledge mean that it can all be thrown down the toilet in favor of human fantasies of the mind? Apparently, for the religious, even if it will not alter facts and reality.

Adam and Eve were mythological characters created by ancient humans of a particular tradition. Found in a few of the many origin myths. Why not Ask and Embla?

Then of course, "cannot have evolved" is nonsense when there's plenty of solid evidence that organisms have evolved. Like with the above, noncomprehension, ignorance, denial -> god of the gaps. A property of the human brain is that it's unreliable and prone to self-deception, where education can make the difference between alienation and the ability to more effectively reason, something that's not necessarily "nature", vs "nurture": knowledge and critical thinking are acquired, even if it requires natural human brains potentially capable of complex symbolic thinking. Exploring the world and discovering reality is a difficult process for humans.

Robert Urbanek #conspiracy

My Dreams of 8 #fundie

So, what's "liberal" that would be going "against Christ"? What about the fact that Jesus, if he existed, was obviously a "liberal" of his day? The Bible also says that he was debating scripture. He told you to love other people, not to judge and not to kill. You also didn't explain why liberal ideas would be "retarded", or "Satanic". And where is your Satan? You really want to murder people, with your ridiculous nonsense the only motive to? So, what's retarded and evil?

Intrepid99 #fundie

Teleology in biology is a fallacy. Even some textbooks may misleadingly suggest, even when it's not intentional, that an adaptation may have happened voluntarily (misused language). But that's not what happens in biology, except for the influence that the mind can have on natural selection. For instance, humans with intelligent brains and an incredible ability to adapt, can "cheat" death by inventions and attain a rather stable equilibrium where evolution does not appear to happen, or has become extremely slow. Punctuated equilibrium means that at times some groups evolve very rapidly to then stabilize at other times when fit to their stable enough environment. "Adaptation to needs" just means some lines dying off when unable to survive in said environment (which is why it's called selection). Most species that existed are extinct. We call "extant" those that aren't.

As some noted above, something very similar to "not getting older" can happen, sometimes a cell mutation causes it to no longer die off, where apoptosis fails. When such cells proliferate they produce tumors and cancer. That's in a single organism and distinct from inheritable mutations that if not harmful enough may subsist in future generations. Individual organisms don't evolve into other species, groups do over time. An incredible example is the radiations around a large island or continent, where many animals known to be related to eachother diversified. Close enough, they're still sexually compatible. Far away enough, they may no longer be, or produce sterile offspring. In some cases if one is suddenly moved, it may also not be adapted enough for the type of food available or the temperature and places where they can nest and hide.

Humans have a certain level of awareness making them try to understand death. The entertainment of eternal life fantasies is a way to deal with the difficulty to accept it, as well as to deal with our habituated memories (we could say that a being close to us that died still "lives" in our memories). If biological beings, animals, were really immortal, it would not be compatible with the natural ecology around us that also produced us. It may not matter if some individuals could live much longer, since it's not natural it may be harmful if everyone could suddenly live 1k years or more: we'd have to deal with those environmental needs. But we already mismanage the environment and some economic forces are causing resistance and weaponizing ignorance against progress. There are other ethical considerations: is it right for a particular elite to live much longer if they require so much resources to allow them to, at the expanse of wellbeing for many other young people? Why wouldn't they have the same right to life and a clean environment, especially if the incredible wealth the elites have could allow it? We already face that problem now, with very mortal beings. Some wealthy narcissists believe that the world owe them everything and don't want to invest back in the system that allowed their comfort and wealth in the first place. It's even a challenge to make them pay their taxes to manage the existing infrastructure.

Kevin Massey #fundie

more fucked up not to believe in anything at all than to believe in any organized religion.

Who ever said that "atheists don't believe in organized religion?" Organized religions obviously exist, so do human traditions and their literature. But none of those provide evidence of the supernatural or for the actual existence of their imaginary beings. In fact, that there are many religions and sects is a good argument for the lack of divine guidance, that it's human enterprises.

Look at what you said, you obviously are a subject to brainwashing techniques and that is why I pity you. You think because 2000 years ago we "as in humans" "a creation in God" thaught the earth was flat it gives us justification that there is no such thing in God. I mean what the hell? That is a totally ubsurd comment.

How would the fact that ancient humans knew less about the natural world than we do today, thanks to the development of science and its discoveries, would be "brainwashing techniques"?

Do you want to know what atheism really is, what it consists of? Let me tell you since you obviously are full of bull shit yourself as well as the rest of your little atheism nation that consists of numbers far below of any religion or beliefs in the world.

Rather condescending, isn't it. Someone obviously ignorant about the world and about atheism, gets to dictate what atheism should be? You said that you read about atheism, but I already have reasons to doubt that you really did.

Ok atheism is no more than a made up belief of a conjuring anger towards the ramification of the world and what it has come to be.

It's fundamentalists that I constantly see whine about the world and what it has come to. Therefore this is projection. The lack of belief in deities is a made up belief? That also sounds like the belief in imaginary beings. It also suggests that if you ever read the arguments, which is possible, you're unable to reason and understand. Either your attitude was closed, or like here, you were on the defensive, resorting to parroting and attacks.

You as in "atheists" want to believe that, wait hold on I am waisting my time to a person who will never change because he or she is a stupid dumb ass, I forgot ignorance is bliss and so are your beliefs.

This is called an ad-hominem attack. No argument was assessed or addressed here. This is intellectually empty.

I want try to help you in fact I want to watch your flesh burn right off your body, so forget what I said and enjoy Armageddon because it is coming soon, and hopefully when the world is turning inside and out I will get to see your corpse and laugh. So, enjoy.

I suppose that this is more evidence for my above impression, the need to impose, not understand. That's not reasoning, it's a sadistic threat. What would Jesus do? If that's what your cult made out of you, an elitist hateful person, who was deceived and fell into fatalism and constant fear about the end of the world, manipulated to be isolated from the rest of society for exploitation, I know that it's unhealthy, it happened to me when young. But the Christian cult I was raised into didn't believe in hell for the unworthy, only eternal death. It seems to me that they were a little less hateful, but it was still a toxic judgmental environment with injustice. I'm out of it and it's for the better.

Lastly, Jesus' disciples were expecting the end in their lifetime (remember about "this generation", Matthew 23:36)? So, in your particular cult, what are the endless justifications pretending that the generation is still not over? Did the doctrine change often about it? It did for the Jehovah's Witnesses. And we're still here, and there's still no evidence that YHWH exists more than Asherah or Zeus or Enki, Ea, etc. If you really want to study it honestly, the human origin and development of the Bible are rather well understood today.

Pat Robertson #fundie

Lying about the deist founders who understood that the fiasco of Europe with its state churches, monarchies and endless conflicts, may be avoidable, that it was possible to do better. Living in an imaginary world, romancing old evils. That's like those who romance the 1950s based on 1970s TV series romancing it. Ignorant about termites too, failing at fundie analogies. Calling humans termites and fantasizing about fumigating them? That's dehumanization and the advocacy for crimes against humanity, like those enacted by Nazism. Evil.

Pat Robertson #fundie

When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. "What do you mean?" the media challenged me. "You're not going to bring atheists into the government?

It sounds like a lie to me. But the constitution makes clear that the vetting process cannot depend on religion. It was never a conspiracy for an atheistic government, that's your false conspiracy theory and straw man. It's for the separation of church and state, necessary to prevent the kind of abuses Robertson hoped for, like persecuting those he falsely declares to be heretic and replacing the government by a corrupt mob. Atheists were always a minority in the US as well as in the government. There was no US president claiming to be atheist yet, even. Bullshit for Satan (vs "lying for Jesus", because Jesus wouldn't accept the hypocrite, he'd tell him to quit politics, to stop stealing from his fidels, pay his taxes and to donate his money to the poor instead, to stop being a bigot: but that's "woke" for Robertson).

Pat Robertson #fundie

Obvious projection: "Because I want an indoctrination system driven by people with a conflict of interest who impose ideology on children, I claim that independent competent teachers have an evil indoctrinatory agenda targetting children."

Then interestingly, various points Robertson attempts to claim are harmful or evil may actually be good things for society, revealing Roberton's twisted thought processes, his alienation from reality and his own evil. An exploitator who likes a vulnerable destitute society to exploit and who cherishes and promotes elitism and systemic stratification. A predator who wants his victims to be helpless.

Pat Robertson #fundie

And just the same for Christians: "If anybody understood what some Christians really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality...."

The obvious answer is the separation of church and state, making sure that people can practice their faith at home and in their churches, but are still subject to the law, cannot corrupt public and government institutions with their particular cult and agents, etc. When that fails, history shows that theocrats persecute other people, of their own faith and others. When that succeds, multicultural democratic institutions, public life and peace have been shown to be workable, even if sometimes difficult. Much better than the alternative.

Jerry Falwell #fundie

Just an interesting fact: in some cultures, prostitution involves "temporary marriage".

But also, this appears to hastily promote the lie that all women are prostitutes, a typical "slut shaming" attitude. The bigot appears unable to justify their "order": there can be safe sex with a sex worker and unless it is actually an exploited sex slave, it may not be harmful to anyone. It could also potentially be safer for a marriage, depending on the couple's situation and their mutual agreements.

Mark Murillo and Lance Wallnau #fundie #racist #sexist #wingnut

Maybe a bit of a personal digression but it's related to this. It reminds me of my interest with the occult that started by around 12yo, that I've left behind about 12 years later. It's the superstitious indoctrination in Jehovah's Witnesses that made me believe that there might possibly be something supernatural at work somewhere. I had doubts about the existence of Satan and demons, but maybe not in the possibility of human psychic powers and perhaps disembodied spirits. My OOBE experiences helped to entertain that perhaps it was really possible to explore out of body and that perhaps "beings" met in that state had a real existence outside of my own mind (living people, dead people, people temporarily "out of their body" like me). But experience and research led me to the understanding that interesting human experiences have down to earth explanations and that fantasies that I was exploring the actual Earth and other dimensions "out of body" were just that. Despite the claims of people discovering treasure or attending secret meetings in the astral with other people in OOBE state, in my experience that doesn't happen and while what the brain can do is impressive, these were dreams with various levels of lucidity. Like for miracle claims and other human traditions, there's the living spiritualist tradition and all its false claims.

The conclusion is that witches have no special powers either and that those who believe that are victims of their own mind games, misconceptions of the world and misleading literature. Demonizing politicians and pushing libel of supernatural conspiracies seems like a convenient way to claim that libel and hate speech is just "faith". And it may be true that some of those promoting such don't all do it out of pure malice. But we've also seen evidence of actual malicious disinformation campaigns, weaponizing religious rhetoric and ignorance, superstition... And we know that such libel and conspiracy theories can harm people and society. We also know how the separation of church and state is important to prevent religious persecution.

As always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so dismiss as such and acknowledge the stupidity involved. If your statements are indistinguishible from those of paranoids under psychosis, don't be surprised when other people acknowledge that.

Logan B #wingnut #crackpot #ufo #magick #conspiracy

"The so called misinformation could only be a globalist censorship label against alternate facts! The large hardon collider is the ultimate weapon! It utilizes the space vaccuum to suck our metarealities out of nonexistence! An insult to the infinite zero point energy of the ancient ones!"

And while it may be possible to exploit vulnerabilities of battery controllers, that's not what happened to Hezbollah. The devices had been tempered with explosives. That's why the same type of device everywere else remains safe.

various commenters #transphobia

John C. Wright #fundie #crackpot

"I don't like what I don't like, why do they do what I hate, they must be incompetents! Why does it sell! Stupid writers, stupid consumers! Their art is vandalism! Raaah!"