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@Timjer #206980
I am finding this discussion fascinating, but I need to add the catholic interpretation for the sake of background context. I have been following Michael Voris on Youtube for several years, trying to understand catholicism, religious extremism, religion and politics, and how religious obsessions affect the thought patterns of those who are affected. Michael Voris for me was the walking perfect storm.
In the catholic Worldview, a person can only attain heaven if they are in a state of sanctifying grace. They must repent and confess of any sin in order to receive holy communion through the bread and wine, which is in their mind, the “real presence” of the holy trinity. When they take the bread and wine it is believed that the holy trinity enters and resides within that person. If there is any sin in a person then they cannot receive holy communion, and the holy trinity cannot then “reside within” that person. Such a person is therefore tainted by sin, not allowed into heaven, and therefore forever abandoned by God, captured by demons and dragged into hellfire. So it’s not so much a question of eternal punishment, but abandonment and capture by the evil guys.
It doesn’t make it any more justifiable of course. A loving God cannot turn his back on someone and leave them to the demonic, otherwise he is not a loving God.
And yet there is inconsistency in the catholic view of hell, such as so-called visions where someone is shown a person sent to hell “for” something… eg a vision where a woman was in hell with a sign hung around her neck saying “I am here for fornication”.
So not only do the catholics have a worldview where their loving God will abandon a human being to their fate, but they can’t even remain consistent.