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I... actually agree with this. I personally do not stigmatize pedophilic feelings granted that these feelings are kept to oneself and never acted upon. It's not far fetched to conceive of a situation in which someone who sees children sexually would work a job in which they interacted with them regularly and yet was otherwise a perfectly normal person and upstanding worker. I see it no differently from a nurse taking care of a patient they find attractive. So long as no one is diddling kids then let people work where they want to work, are we the god damn thought police now?

If you know that you are a pedophile, the responsible thing to do is not to deliberately put yourself into a position where you are required to be in close contact with children. That's just common sense.
I'm sure there are people who do it, who have these feelings and work with kids. And I am sure that there are plenty of them that never act on their feelings. Fine. I don't like it, but neither can I really prevent it.
But if you go on to the internet and announce that you are a pedophile AND that you believe you should be working with children, people are going to think you are an irresponsible creep. That's not thought policing. That's reality.
If my alcoholic cousin came to me and said they thought it would be a grand idea to start working as a bartender, I'd suggest they reconsider. That's not thought policing. It's saying, "Hey, you have a temptation that most people don't and that could cause some real damage to the people around you if you give in to, so maybe you should try a job where you aren't constantly surrounded by the one thing that you want but cannot have."
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

As I've said before, I'm arguing from the position that the pedophile in question is otherwise a perfect teacher who has had their heart set on being one forever. Of course, if you knew them and you knew their temptation you'd talk to them about it, but if they were dead set on it would you truly tell them to just give up on their dream? Also, your analogy isn't too good, drinking alcohol is not illegal, and an alcoholic has already indulged in their temptation enough for it to be a legitimate problem, the pedophile in question has never acted on their lust and in all likelihood never will.

the (adult) patient can tell the nurse to fuck off / press charges / get a restrainin gorder / clock him/her in the face, your choice. children are defenceless.

But they are both exposed to similar temptation, and in the case of both being professionals who are serious about their job, neither would give in.

it doesn't matter: the other party is too vulnerable, the risk is unjustifiable.
it's like saying "I am a very careful smoker, I will make sure my sigarette doesn't drop and make your gas station blow up." You are not allowed to light up, period.
just NO.

Your analogy fails, a smoker already smokes and does so regularly, the pedophile I am discussing has never acted on their lust and likely will never act upon it. It's a thought, not an action.
So you believe we should be policing thoughts? Telling people what they can and cannot do based upon their feelings? Should other professions start doing this too? Should a Nurse in a Convalescent Home be fired for thinking about how much they hate their job?

the disbalance of power (lack of ability to protect him/herself) for a child is so great, you are practically placing him/her totally at mercy of the person who may or may not act upon their feelings. Nope, nope, nope.

ays me, this is the point I am arguing from, if you don't like it then you can stop responding. I described the pedophile in question from the very beginning as someone who has never acted upon their feelings and in all likelihood never would.
You didn't answer my question. Do we start thought-policing people?

When it comes to the vulnerability of a child over an adult's desire to have a specific job, yes.

If you really believe that anyone has the right to control the mind of others for any reason then we've nothing to talk about.

Believe me, I don't condone pedophilia and I'm not trying to protect molesters who would take advantage of children. I just see a group of people who may have legitimate psychological problems they may need help to get over being stigmatized so heavily that they can't find that help and it makes me sympathize with their situation.

(For people who don't know aznidentity's lingo, WMAF= White male/Asian female, AM= Asian Male, etc. you can figure out the rest.

Asian Activist Rebecca Kuang Responds to Critiques of her Dating Choices

(the0clean0slate)
A hypocrite is what she is. Calling out her hypocrisy is misogyny? So black women calling out white worshipping black men who try to lead black movements is misandry?

All the discussion that went on about her calling her shit out is in this comment chain already.

/r/aznidentity/comments/7aywfn/are_there_any_asian_females_who_are_involved_in/dpeo60h/

And these white worshipping "my-WMAF-is-different" hypocrites really should stop equating their relationship to BMWF or any other types of interracial relationships. Stop trying to pretend you are victims of oppression. WMAF was simply never oppressed, while every other type of interracial pairings are, especially when it involves a POC male. WMAF is one of the most privileged there is in white supremacist America. It is like alt right crying about how WM is oppressed.

Edit:

Time and again, AF "leaders" in relationship with WM have demonstrated that they tend to focus all their effort to defend to the death their privileged relationship with WM, while censoring dissenting AM/hapa voices in the community.

We have seen this more times than I could count. Need I remind you of chingleberry?

They are devoted to shut down the discussion of one of the biggest issue of Asian community, WMAF and emasculation of AM, because they see this as attack of their privileged position with WM. It is undeniable that AF in WMAF enjoys privilege in America by dating WM, because they demonstrate loyalty to white men.

If they can't recognize this, actively deny it, AND THEN goes on the attack for others calling out their privilege, then they are the enemy and absolutely NOT leadership candidate for the Asian American community.

Why should we be obligated to trust these people who clearly demonstrate that their own self interest is more important than the interests of the community? AF "activists" in serial WMAF who defend WMAF non-stop are exactly the type of people who are not willing to make ANY sacrifice of their own interests, while claiming to fight for others. They have demonstrated that they are only willing to support social justice, up to the point that it is convenient for them or benefits them in their career.

How can these people ever be credible as leaders in political movements?

You can't trust a billionaire who claims he fights for income equality, but then dodge taxes like a motherfucker and attack/censor journalists who dig through his tax reports.

You can't trust an anti-fat shaming feminist who claims we should love all body types, but only dates/fucks conventionally attractive guys who are ripped and fit, and she attacks those who question her hypocritical actions as "toxic misogynists who try to police a woman's choice".

So why should we trust AF "feminists" who are in serial WMAF, claim to fight for all Asian American community, but attack/censor all dissenting AM voices and eliminate the ability for AM to even talk about their own issues, because they see it as a pre-cursor to an attack of their own personal vested interest in WMAF?

(disman2345_)
Funny how she used to be a famous high school debator where all the Asian parents gush over how good she is and how she is a good role model for girls. Asian kids were forced to sit and listen to her debate. Yet, she can't even debate or come with up a reasonable logical clear-cut well thought out argument on why her relationship doesn't go hand in hand with her stance on the Asian American community.

(wcet)
Ken Jeong is a fucking medical doctor and he's one of the biggest Chans around. Many PhDs at universities are dyed in the wool SJWs who routinely resort to spurious arguments to advance an agenda. I've learnt long ago that academic talent or even intelligence is not a guarantee for wokeness or self respect.

Very often, the thread that ties all these delusional people together is that they have yet to experience life changing event(s) strong enough to spark an epiphany about the true extent of shared suffering of all Asians.

(asian-man-throwaway)
Ah, the pairing of the most privileged group in America and the most privileged minority group in America crying about how oppressed they are. Makes PERFECT sense.

(mpaz15)
To be fair, we don't know her past dating history so we can't say for sure if she is indeed white worshiping and simply in denial. What we can call her out for is her misrepresentation of our criticism and inability/unwillingness to seriously engage with the broader and more important conversation about the type of people representing Asian American interests.

(the0clean0slate)
BM leaders could never date white women publicly and at the same time, claim to not white worship and support the black community.

Why should AF be place under a different standard?

It is not about her dating history. It couldn't matter less. It is how it looks about our message. We just all look like white worshipping hypocrites, destroying our credibility, if people like that ends up speaking for our community.

(mpaz15)
Her response focuses too much on her defending her relationship and assuring that it's not problematic on a personal level. The one sentence that imo summarizes the gist her response would be this:

I advocate with my words. I don’t advocate with my vagina

Of course, this pretty much sidesteps entirely the question of how personal choices filter into the effectiveness and perceived integrity of one's activism. Imagine if an environmental activist drove a Hummer and in response to criticism exclaimed "I advocate with my words, not with my car" and then spent the rest of the response explaining how they try to be as environmentally friendly as possible while driving their Hummer.

This response is hollow and fails to acknowledge the broader conversation regarding the trend in which many Asian female "activists" and really, high profile Asian women in general, have white partners. If this cannot be acknowledged as problematic then we're simply not on the same page and there's no point in continuing this conversation.

(fakeslimshady)
Actually she's totally wrong. Actions speak louder than words. She does advocate with her vagina (actions)

(asianblazin)
But see, you don’t get to tell me who I should date.

Lol, no one is telling you who to date. Yes, you have agency. We all have agency. And it's true, no one here knows about the circumstances of your relationship, and can judge your relationship. It's not that.

It's just disappointing.

It's just another brick in the wall of White Supremacy. We don't know that your relationship is racist. We just know that your relationship and many others like it are a part of a pattern where White men are valued and Asian men and other men of color are devalued. There's no way that Asian men can see into the inside of every relationship and make a personal judgement. All we can see are the general patterns, where every such relationship is a brick in the wall. It's a wall that's killing us. And like it or not, you're a part of it. You have the right to make that choice, but we have the right to be disappointed in it.

(disman2345_)
She stated

"I love the Asian men in my life–my father, my brother, my closest friends–and I will advocate for them. I also love my boyfriend because he’s kind, cute, thoughtful, and makes me laugh. Don’t make this a forced choice between them, because that’s a foolish binary."

She only likes Asian males platonically or if they are her family members. She will advocate for Asian men, like all the other activists who "advocates" for Asian men. Advocating in "cheering them on to find a girlfriend who isn't me". It's like Asian men are like Jesuits going door to door and getting rejected, while the girls rejecting them are "advocating for them".

The Asian guy got rejected by Jenn, Rebecca, Kelly, Megan, Cindy, etc, but hey it's not all that bad because they now all "advocate" for him. He's not going to procreate and enjoy a relationship but that's okay, as long as it's platonic. Except if any of these guys go outside the bubble and date girls of other color do these "cheerleaders" go into mean girl mode.

Don't make this into a forced choice she said.

Asian males in America who aren't rich or handsome or confident are forced to choose between bachelor society or bananarang Asian female who's mind is on someone else. It's a forced choice when we are forced to support our own "sisters" who say they have our back but let us down every time. Asian male in America are always forced to choose a shitty option, it comes with being a minority in a racist country.

These people go out of their way to make it harder for us, so expect Asian men to make life harder for them back. A reaction always has an equal reaction.

Of course there are slip-ups! Of course there are awkward run-ins with family! But we’re talking through them. We’re learning.

That's privilege right there! She assumes that Asian men gets these slip ups and awkward run in with family members. You get you strike out when some of us are prevented to chance to even bat at all.