If scientists found a carved stone arrowhead in a cave they would claim this was evidence of an intelligence and human occupation. But when secular scientists look at DNA, the most complex information & code system in the universe, they claim it's a result of chance random...
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…You’re not a scientist, Ham. Not even close.
But fine, I’ll play your “game”. Assuming for a moment that our DNA was artificially engineered and coded, that still not proves in any way that your specific YHWH programmed it on his divine laptop. For all we know, said engineered DNA could have been made by sufficiently advanced aliens. Or even incomprehensible machines. Or even time travelling humans.
So, yeah. Just like how you read too much of your bible, I may have played too much Mass Effect, Halo, or Dead Space. But seems to me both are equally valid.
So anywa- MAKE US WHOLE
“If scientists found a carved stone arrowhead in a cave they would claim this was evidence of an intelligence and human occupation."
We don’t know of any process where unobserved, noncorporeal beings have any effect on the physical universe, so when we observe DNA, we do NOT cry ‘made up unproven woo!’
If you can demonstrate that ghosts or demons exist, AND that they can affect the physical world, then, maybe, you can some day cry ‘Goddidit!’
I’m assuming Ken doesn’t grasp the years of research into DNA, studying everything about this complex information and code system, learning what makes it tick, and how we still research it, looking to better understand it.
I never got why fundamentalists think the concepts of God and evolution are so mutually exclusive aside from being so eager to read the bible literally. One of my high school science teachers is a practicing Catholic and he very much believes in the concept of evolution. I actually was interested in discussing the matter and he told me that if God can create things, that means he could design a system like evolution and get it rolling. To him, God can still create creatures through evolution, even if he doesn’t have to be as directly involved.
To this day, I still feel I can hold him up as an ideal Christian, far more so than many of these fundamentalists who eagerly shout out that they’re the true Christians.
BTW: “If scientists found a carved stone arrowhead”
...and the alternative question can be asked: who created the creator ?
Not taking into account how Cre(a)ti(o)nism was officially destroyed in Kitzmiller vs. Dover, it's only when that question is asked that you realise why a certain Science Guy handed you your own arse, Hammy.
Classic. No, they wouldn't claim that it's random chance, only creationists do. The complexity is also a result of evolution. If you really knew anything about biology, you would also know that there's more evidence for the lack of design than for design. Descent with modification and natural selection explain those features. It's because creationists have never actually provided better explanations and because the theory works and is practical, can make predictions, is based on demonstrated hypotheses, that it remains recognized and the scientific consensus. You could simply admit that creationism is faith, a religious doctrine relying on inspirational traditional stories: that's fine.
@Pizzamaster98 #155757
One of my high school science teachers is a practicing Catholic and he very much believes in the concept of evolution.
I just thought I'd mention that this "belief" is not just a position, it also rests on an understanding of life as discovered by science, with a lot of evidence, of course.
Some authors I like are indeed also Christians who don't reject science, theist evolutionists, etc. Examples are Martin J. S. Rudwick, Wesley R. Elsberry...
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@fishtank #155760 @Anon-e-moose #155781 https://fstdt.com/YBBDCTV26SYY8 , "objective teaching" is obvious misrepresentation for: censorship of untainted biology and promotion of pseudoscientific uncertainty propaganda.
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