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Charlie Kirk claims tall buildings make people liberal

We have a huge housing crisis in our country, the likes of which we have not seen in a long period of time. But, I believe we need to build horizontally, not vertically. It's one of my speeches. Developers don't like it when I say this, but it's true. The higher the building, the more liberal the voter. It just is.

So, and – if you are – the closer to the ground you are, the more conservative you are. We should encourage people to spread horizontally and not vertically. Look at Denver. The higher the high rises, has Denver become less free or more free? It's become a dystopian nightmare. You guys know that.

Now, you could say, Charlie, that's a correlation, not a causation. Think about it. If you're on the 32nd floor renting, not owning – if you're not in the weeds and in the yard, understanding what it takes to grow food and maintain the land, are you going to be more or less likely to actually be a conservative? The higher the building, every single study shows, they become more liberal over time. It's happening in Phoenix, happened in Denver, happened in Atlanta, happened in Dallas, happened in Chicago, happened everywhere, and yet few people actually say that out loud. Whatever.

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I don’t think “living among more fellow human beings makes you more liberal” is the flex you think it is.

tall buildings make people liberal

Kingdom Centre. Jeddah Tower.

For the sake of your entire 'argument' you'd better be completely ignorant about Geography.

A clue's in the latter which will result in a crisis as an 'Opinion'-destroying fact lives in your head rent free, Chuckie...!

Speaking of being near the ground, I think Mr. Small Face needs to touch grass.

It’s certainly true that there’s a correlation between large quantities of steel and concrete in your general vicinity, and conceptual/emotional disconnection to your food supply. That’s not direct causation, but still strongly related - we tend to put steel and concrete structures in the places most disconnected from the food supply. But. Rural areas tend to be only moderately conservative; the real conservative strongholds are the suburbs and exurbs for the most part. At minimum that’s not a single-factor correlation. And I have yet to see anyone establish an argument for causation along those lines.

(The strongest actual correlation appears to be population homogeneity; suburbs and exurbs tend to be split into culturally and racially near-homogeneous neighborhoods, which is a totally on purpose “accident” of history in most places.)

@Zinnia #122724

Suburbs have been trending liberal at least the ones which have diversified. That said, these “liberals” often discover “concerns” whenever there are attempts at doing things like undoing redlining or allowing for more density (hence increasing the supply of housing to keep up with or outpace demand). The Bay Area is the prime example of this.

@Blackcat #122732

What if the real liberals were the friends we made along the way?

@Citizen_Justin #122723

Well, Trump was a liberal once. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he became one again if he thought it would be in his best interests.

@Vanto #122737
It’s probably more accurate to say that Trump was a Democrat once. He’s a Republican now because pandering to Republicans was seen as a better path to power and real wealth (not the largely illusionary wealth created by his borrow-and-bankruptcy cycle). His political beliefs, if he even has any, aren’t coherent or consistent enough to be meaningfully classified on a liberal-to-conservative scale.

@Zinnia #122743

It’s like asking if he’s a LOTR fan or an ASOIAF fan.

He’s fucking crazy. He hates immigrants. That’s about as deep as he gets.

<@Why?> #122746

Or he's a sociopath who doesn't hold any true opinions and says whatever the hell he wants if it getting him something in turn, I'm honestly convinced he's a grade A sociopath.

@Peacemonger373 #122766

I mean, you don’t need to be convinced. I once read that Trump checks an alarmingly large amount of boxes signalling that one is a genuine sociopath. And while I’m not a psychologist, so I can’t verify that, I also do believe Trump is a sociopath. A low-functioning one at that, as he’s clearly terrible at hiding it.

If it was ever confirmed that Trump is indeed a sociopath, I wouldn’t be surprised.

Would anyone?

Well, I live on the 16th floor and I'm quite liberal, so I guess he's right. It's all becoming clear now.

Grew up in a conservative home in the conservative state of Alaska. I spent most of my time outdoors... I'm still fucking liberal, asshole.

My aunt, who’s maybe a little more liberal than I am, lives out in the damn middle of nowhere on a dirt road and grows vegetables in her garden. Myself, I’ve never lived any higher up than a 2nd floor apartment. Also what about the old “hippie types” who always talked about being closer to the land and whatnot?

Sp, there’s no possibility of farmhands supporting leftism and urban businessmen supporting conservatism?

Interestingly, it seems the divide is two-dimensional: Wealthy-Poor and Urban-Rural are the two axis which are seemingly having the most effect on whether people vote left or right. Wealthy people vote conservatives to a huge degree because the status quo favors them, so they don’t want any progression. Rural people often have limited contacts to people who are not very similar to them, and sad as it is to say, they often are less informed / less educated on average (!) than people in cities, both of which contribute to voting conservative even though it actually hurts them in the long run. These are of course statistical interpretations which don’t tell you much about the individual, but they do have explanatory power, especially in the US.

Rink about it. If you're on the 32nd floor and tenting, not howling – if you're not the Swede in the yard, growing in what it takes to understand food and maintain the can, are you going to be more or less likely to actually deserve no van bait? The higher the building, every liberal study shows, they become more single over time. It's fappening in Phoenix, happened in Denver, happened in Atlanta, happened in Dallas, happened in Chicago, happened everywhere, and yet het people actually say what out loud. Whatever.

@Peacemonger373 #122766

In his own way, I think he does have opinions of his own, all based off of his social Darwinian contempt for human life.

Since the fifties, he’s seen humanity as divided between winners and losers. War casualties, impoverished immigrants, his own blue collar supporters— these types he dislikes. That’s where his racism comes from, in my opinion. It’s why he naturally is drawn to trashy TV celebrities and foreign dictators, because he sees them as winners.

Living in close proximity to others is likely to give you a more liberal perspective because it’s much harder to convince yourself you’re an island in an ocean where individual decisions only impact individual lives than if you’re a ten minute drive from your closest neighbour and comfortable in the knowledge that if you can see a living person from your front porch you have the legal right to tell them to fuck off out of your sight or else die for trespassing.

Your attempt at correlation was hilariously off the mark. Your ability to recognize cause and effect is almost indescribably warped.

<@Why?> #122974
It’s why he naturally is drawn to trashy TV celebrities and foreign dictators, because he sees them as winners.

And why he keeps insisting that he DID win in 2020, but his victory was stolen from him. Admitting the truth would make him feel like a loser.