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JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

Your evidence for evolution is a fraud. You admit it's a fraud because you will not pay good money for it [a dinosaur footprint on Ebay]. When you try to put your head in the sand and deny that, it just shows that you can not accept the truth.

I am not trying to be argumentive, you guys claim that you do not grasp the point I am trying to make, so I am trying to get it across to you.

Two things seperate the men from the boys, religion and money. If you believe evolution is true, then let me see the color of your money to back that up. If it is a fraud, you will lose your money, if it is real, then you made a good investment and your money will increase.

We want evidence that wall street will accept.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

Evolution and Ebay

I have not really researched the subject of evolution on Ebay, but I do know Ebay. So, how about it you Evo's? Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is? How about if we start the bid off at $486 for a Rare Genuine Dinosaur Track Foot Print Fossil? Any takers? Who wants to make the first bid?

brightmorningstar #fundie christianforums.com

Fundamentalists are the only real liberals.

This is because they tolerate people who disagree with them, its part of their belief that many will; and similalrly they also accept that oether people have ideas ooposed to theirs. Liberals tend not to be able to tolerate some fundamentalists' ideas becuase liberals find them too offensive bigoted and prejudice. (Examples would be the issues of homosexual practice, hell/eternal death, universal salvation)

What do people think?

Edmond #fundie christianforums.com

[After starting a thread on <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t2377830-quote-mining-no-fact-stating-s-j-gould-essay-disclosing-the-debacle-of-darwin’s-ev.html" target="_blank">Stephen Jay Gould's essay Opus 200</a>, the <a href="http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_opus200.html" target="_blank">essay's source</a> goes offline a few days later.]

What a Co-ikeedink! Today, Gould’s Opus 200 is Apparently No Longer Present on Web.

This thread is related to the thread— Quote Mining? No, Fact Stating. S J Gould Essay Disclosing the Debacle of Darwin’s Ev,— due to associated reference materials that have been discovered to have been subsequently removed from the web.

After a year of visiting this reference of S J Gould’s Opus 200 Essay on the Web, <a href="http://www.stephenjaygould.org/libr...ld_opus200.html" target="_blank">http://www.stephenjaygould.org/libr...ld_opus200.html</a> [link is broken, that's how it appears in the post] , still active just a couple of days ago when I posted the thread,.."Quote Mining? No, Fact Stating. S J Gould Essay Disclosing the Debacle of Darwin’s Ev" —.today gives this reply upon request for accuse —The page cannot be displayed.


What a co-inkeedink. This may be part of the magic of how evolutionary information—.can appear—and then just—.disappear—. all based, of course, on its validation or invalidate of the desired conclusions and perceptions that are desired to be presented—. Zap, Zap —its like reading a story about Harry Potter.

You don’t suppose there may have been same ‘persuasion’ applied to — make it disappear. No,—of course not, this couldn't be based on the coincidence that the site may have gotten several hundred hits, or more, during the past two day and its publisher may have received some negative responses as a result of its content.

Why that’s unthinkable. Such a notion would be preposterous. It’s a universal and well known fact that the evolutionist community is far too fair and objective about the issues relating to the subject of evolution to ever dream of selectively screening any information on the subject from easy access to the public.

They are much too open with all information whether pro or con as its applies to the subject of evolution. Why the record of their balanced public educational policies stand as a living testimony of that fact? Surely evolutionary web sites would not censure information perceived to challenge any aspect of evolutionary credibilty.

Before today the page was found ‘occupied’ through Google, Stephen Jay Gould Opus 200 or equivalent. The choice displayed is —. Stephen Jay Gould, “Opus 200,” 1991. If you locate another copy of Gould’s essay Opus 200 on the web, not evolutionist commentary about the essay, (they're still there) or if this site comes back on line let me know. I’ll be very surprised to get many takers for that request from the evolutionist group —.

rhssm #fundie christianforums.com

[Suit Filed To Take "In God We Trust" off of Currency]

Christians - we have to act now before it's too late! Everyone join together and make a difference. We are headed for some very hard times if we don't act now!

rhssm #fundie christianforums.com

Yes... all the issues you named are very important. Not really my point. Basically this is one more step to the name of God being pushed away. It's one more step to this nation falling and not including God in the center of it. Yes, I know - not everyone believes in God. But regardless, I know He exists and I know that when He is included in things, blessings and peace will flourish. When people begin to try to do things on their own and lean on their own understanding and don't include the words of God in their life, destruction eventually results. Our country was founded on God, and of course, to an athiest, that would mean nothing. I'm aware of that. But the fact that this nation was founded on God, is why we've been strong for so long. Our country has held on to morals, not been perfect, but been more of a Godly nation than most. And those morals are now deteriorating. When that happens.. this going country's going down the toilet. Why? Because there will be more people with more twisted ways of thinking, more people with very few if any morals, more people who care more about serving themselves than God

Paveway117 #fundie christianforums.com

Saints arent Of Jesus Christ, you are talking about a Catholic word.
Catholics do not believe Jesus is the son of God.
So Catholicism is a Satanic Religion because it is not of God.
Anything that is not related to God is Satanic.

Santa, Saint and Sanct (sanctification which is used in the Roman Catholic Church becometh of transubstantiation) are all Satanic.

So Santa is Satanic.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

For anyone who has seen Forest Gump, we now have learned that somehow their is a advantage to being stupid. We never quite learn what that advantage is, but somehow we learn there is a advantage to it, and stupid people can lead a rich, full productive life. Of course from a evos perspective, the main thing required is for a species to reproduce itself. There I can see a real advantage to being stupid. After all, forest did somehow manage to reproduce himself. In fact if it were not for his mom having sex with the school master, she would not have been able to get him enrolled. For us I think, if we were smart enough to know what we were getting ourselves into, when we have kids, perhaps a lot of us would have decided to not have kids. So being stupid is an advantage there.

Ok, now we get to the bottom line. Evo's say that creationists are stupid. So the burdon is now on the Evo's to show just what the evolutionary advantage is to the creos stupidity? Because after all, if there was not a evolutionay advantage, then "evolution" would have eliminated it a long time ago.

JOMAN #fundie christianforums.com

There exists no natural law that produced an earth like ours in a cosmos like ours. I note the wisdom of God. He placed our graceful planet amid eight that prove it’s blessedness. It doesn’t matter if some other planet has a bit of water. Our planet is blessed with abundance of water. Random occurrence within the sphere of the sun’s influence would not have discriminated between the planets. That is, if they all came from the sun then they should all have equity of element distribution. But, alas and behold, they don’t. And, if the planets arrived from somewhere else they wouldn’t be confined within a narrow band of orbit. God put the asteroid belt there to teach us that rocks don’t gravitate together to form planets but, instead drift away. Yet the rings of Saturn are delicately formed. And, one planet is diverse from the next and reveals that they all must have a diverse source or a subtle designer who is teaching us to not be foolish. It is obviously more likely that the planets would fall into the hellish sun then that we would ever be thought to arise from it with the wings of life.

john crawford #fundie christianforums.com

Neanderthal Americans are not allowed to teach their theories about Homo sapiens in US public schools. Our children are taught that they are Homo sapiens by neo-Darwinst race theorists and their own Neanderthal ancestry is denied. Our public school teachers are treated like common Homo sapiens and subjected to Social Darwinist theories of public education. Our racial ancestors are maligned as European 'cave-men' who drag their women around by the hair while they carry a big club on their shoulder. They are called a different and separate 'species' of Homos by neo-Darwinist race theorists in public schools who tell our children that everybody is descended from African people who originated from common ancestors of African monkeys and apes.

Now that such a long train of abuses has been listed, this is starting to read like a Neanderthal American Declaration of Independence.

john crawford #fundie christianforums.com

No, you are not Homo sapiens sapiens. Since you can't prove that you are, it remains a neo-Darwinist religious and racial assumption on your part. When you get some observable evidence of your being Homo sapiens sapiens which we all can see, please notify us.

In the meantime, you're just another ordinary human being, as far as I can tell.
Nothing special about you neo-Darwinists at all.

Micaiah #fundie christianforums.com

The 'way science works' depends on whether you are a Christian or an athiest. If you are an athiest, you must come up with an explanation, regardless of how improbable it seems, for the origin of the cell without reference to God. The Christian does not have these philosophical constraints. If the cell appears to be the work of an omniscient Creator, he is free to accept this. As he learns more about the complexity of the cell his heart sings with praise and adoration. Gaining new insights into the wonder of God's handiwork is a powerful motivation for the Christian researcher.

murjahel #fundie christianforums.com

I am not comparing the abortion of one baby to the holocaust of the Jewish people during WWII... no... I am comparing the 40 to 50 million abortions in this country to the 6 million Jews in Germany.. and there is double that in Russia, and who knows how many millions in China...... so.... in that way, the abortion holocaust is sooooo much worse...

jeki #fundie christianforums.com

You all watched "The Matrix" I guess. What if we are leaving in a dream and we are not aware of the world we live in is just an imagination?
At night we see dreams and while we are dreaming we don't realise that we are in a dream. we think as if it is the real world. we give real responds to the events. If the whole life(as we name it) is a long dream that we don't get up. Maybe one day we will suddenly wake up from "our life dream". Maybe we are living in the Matrix at it is called. Can we be sure of that?
I believe the evolutionists will take my question funny? because they never want to think about death( because of the prosses "afterdeath").but Iam waiting for their interesting answers...

evange #fundie christianforums.com

It is very hard to read teh bible and not believe. A friend of my parents, her uncle, set out to do his thesis on why Christianity is boloney, and at the end of it when he was faced with the evidence, he became a Christian.

shortangel #fundie christianforums.com

is it just me thinking this or are Christians being seragated in the U.S.? we have had groups that have discrimnated against people who are believers over and over and over, it almost sounds to me like the book of Acts is repeating itself in this era

Edmond #fundie christianforums.com

You guys should really wake-up. You had a 150 years of Darwin to try to 'prove' that all life evolved. The further you got into investigating daddy Darwins idea the worse the evidence became. Now you're plugging in other theories like Gould's rescue attempts to save this theory that makes an abominable mockery of true science.

I don't know how far you may go to try get an intellegent creator out of the picture, but the further you push this charade the more apparent the evidence becomes of your lack of intellectual honesty. That is the greatest evidence that will be remebered as emerging in the 21 century, the evidence of the total lack of your intellectual integrity.

Exorcist #fundie christianforums.com

An hour had passed and a demon finally manifested within Stephanie. The first spirit we dealt with went by the name of “Rejection” and he claimed he had captured her through the sins of her grandfather. The evil demons shared that Stephanie’s grandfather’s drunkenness was the entry point to enter his life and thereby entering the family.

The second evil power we dealt with went by the name “the Occult.” It spoke of invading her body when Stephanie at the age 16 when she started to read horoscopes. Let this be a warning to you. Casually reading ones horoscope can result in demonization, for the horoscope is another way for the devil to gain a foothold in your life. God’s Word repeatedly warns against the use of all fortune telling and divination (see Deuteronomy 18:9-12; Revelations 22:15).

The next evil spirit to manifest went by the name of “Orgy.” This demon told us he entered Stephanie as she indulged in masturbation at the age of 7. After dealing with “Orgy” we commanded the next spirit to come to attention. The next one spoke of his name being “Lucifer” and boasted of how he had been in the family for generations and entered Stephanie when she was but a baby.

After confronting “Lucifer” a group of 8 demons manifested that were named “Rejection.” Then we dealt with a spirit by the name of “Pills” who entered her as a result of her attempting to deal with her emotional problems through drugs. Scripture tells us that soundness of mind comes through knowing God (see 2 Timothy 1:7) not through the use of drugs. Her dependence on medication opened a door for a demon named “Pills” to invade her.

AwesomeMachine #fundie christianforums.com

When a person has sex alone, they are not alone. There is some love object focused on, which is an object of assumed beauty. The bitterness of a beautiful thing, which in the end is empty, is that it is a lie. Lies open a door to demons. When a person orgasms, if they are not orgasming with their spouse, they are opening the door to being made love to by demons. So enslaved do people become to these, that they may actually forgo natural intercourse, with a spouse, in favor of making love to demons. This type of enslavement is very difficult to break. When you have demons attached to your sex drive, they are deeply entrenched in your carnal will. This causes the flesh to rise up with pride, shunning the health of the spirit. The physical body then takes over, and lusts of the flesh succeed in destroying the individual. There is only one time sex with yourself is innocent. That is the first time. All successive sessions are based on the first one, and are no longer innocent.

SamCJ #fundie christianforums.com

The scary part for me about you, is that there is no logical reason for you to give two hoots about mankind. Consequently, your expressions of such caring must be only a facade. No God, no afterlife, you're gone, you're gone. No memory. no communication with survivors. You're gone. That's all, folks! The glass aint half full, it's empty.

Such a view leaves you only survival of yourself regardless of the cost to others. If you have to eat my children or even your own children to survive, there is no choice. You've got to do it.

That is why you are scary. And knowing your athiestic views, I also know the logical consequenses of those view, so you have no credibility, when you try to tell me what a really nice guy you are.

mortsmune #fundie christianforums.com

[In response to a question about the TV turning on by itself]

That is an interesting question! Has that ever happened with the TV unplugged?

It sounds like there is very possibly supernatural (demonic) thing going on. There could be any number of reasons. If could be from some curses put on your house from some angry witches/warlocks, or it could be related to some previous or current event or activity in your home. My pastor had something similar happen once. It was related to secret activities of his son. When they dealt with the issue, the problem disappeared.

Back when I pastored a church in my home, I once had an experience in which I kept seeing brightly colored blinking lights out of the corner of my eye in the area of the TV set. When I would look directly at the TV, they would not be there. I thought it was my imagination until a lady in the church mentioned that she was seeing the same thing. We went over to the TV and looked around. On top of the TV was an old Christmas card that had fallen behind a photograph that was on top. I opened the Christmas card, and it said, "May the Spirit of Christmas be with you always." We took the card outside and burned it and broke curses from it, and we went inside and prayed and commanded the "spirit of Christmas" to leave in Jesus' name. We never saw the lights again after that.

concernedamerican #fundie christianforums.com

I have a real problem when parents lie to their children, about the fat man in a red suit who goes down chimneys. If, “He knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you’re awake. He knows when you’ve been bad or good...” Wouldn’t that make him all-knowing and omnipresent? If he can get presents to every house in the world in one night wouldn’t that have to make him all-powerful also? Isn’t God the only one who really has those attributes? The first of Ten Commandments, which God wrote with His own finger, says, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3). Shouldn’t the focus of Christmas be on Christ, not Santa? Besides why would you want some fat man to get the credit for your hard work anyway? And finally, if parents lie to their kids about Santa, and then later tell them that an all-knowing, all-powerful God loved them so much that He sent His son Jesus to earth to die for their sins, how are they suppose to believe it? Why should they believe any thing their parents say after that?

LucasGoltz #fundie christianforums.com

[Replying to someone commenting on his "Pokemon are satanic" rant]

Dark-Lite, as you will NEVER understand how people rationalize their anti-Pokemon views, I will NEVER EVER understand how people rationalize belonging to the catholic church. To each their own I suppose...

jamsandwhich #fundie christianforums.com

must stop them! Adulterers and sodomites.

So I'm a Universaty student, in my 3rd year. I did so well in my first two years I was permitted to apply to study as an exchange student elsewhere. So I did, in one of the most luxurious, respected universaties in the world.

To graduate from my universaty, I have to do well here in my exchange program, however, there is a problem.

My flat mates, I have no choice about them, I have to live with them. Demands for the dorms here are so high, it would be insane to move out, plus my exchange program would not cover me finacially if I did seek to find another place to live for the duration of my stay here, so I have no choice about it. The other students here all seem to know each other and all get on with each other real fine.

Problem is like this: They have no morals what so ever. They're all about living free and dying young or some crap like that. They think they're all modern, liberal, tolernt beings, and that their way of thinking is the right one. Not a single one of them is an active Christian!

I share a dorm with 14 other people, 2 of which are gay males (though one say's he's Bisexual, but I see him as gay) and one is a lesbian. The others are all straight yet 3 of the girls have admitted to having kissed girls. They all get drunk half the time, smoke pot, listen to music about sex, drugs, violence and worse. Every single one of them is regularly engaging in pre-martual sex, 2 have once been in some form of an orgy (sex with more then one person at the time). One was the lesbian and one is this guy who thinks of himself as some stud cause he had sex with 2 girls in one night.

They told me to relax about it and that I should live and live, but I was always brought up to believe that tolerence of such satanic behavior is to be part of the problem.

I tried to be nice, I bought them all a bible and placed one in each of their mail boxes, but actually got several complaints from the others about it. They said that if they had wanted a bible they'd of bought one them selves. I since have run into trouble with the dorm manager for spraying "queer" on the homesexual's doors.

I told my dad back at home about this and he told me I shouldn't tolerate this and that I should bring the floods to these people, as god did when Noa built his ark. Obviously I can't really flood the place, but there are other ways of dealing with them.

GraceInHim #fundie christianforums.com

['I would rather all those Harry Potter haters go out and try to do something constructive, like save someone's life, or sponser a child. When you look at the big picture, a book series is hardly worth wasting time on.']

haters - called Gods love to get the real word out on Satanic acts going to millions of children - mind you many children are not under control today -

so I guess Satan wins over God? Sorry - God wins and what is wrong - did the verses come to light what this writer is doing to make a buck off what? KIDS

bevets #fundie christianforums.com

Evolution is an elaborate fairy tale propigated by atheists. They are hell bent on explaining away their Creator as if they could only disbelieve hard enough maybe they could make reality go away. (Sadly, some Christians have been cowed by the hype.)

Visit any forum and it doesnt take long to see atheists patting themselves on their backs for their superior rationality but resorting to argument ad hominem and changing the subject rather than confront the evidence.

mortsmune #fundie christianforums.com

Regarding the issue of bipolar, I should point out that the idea of "chemical imbalance," whether it be serotonin or whatever, is a theory that has never been proven scientifically or medically. In fact there are many medical facts about the brain and its chemistry that indicate that this is likely not the cause of this bipolar disorder, clinical depression, schizophrenia, or anything else. The fact that some drugs seem to help some of these disorders is actually something of a mystery to researchers. They really don't know why these drugs seem to help. However, regardless, they do not cure the problem. They only depress the symptoms temporarily.

In this particular case, it is quite obvious that there is a demonic problem. Drugs do not make demons go away. Demons would be more than happy to "behave themselves" better if they can make people think that a drug is helping, as long as they get to stay where they are.

John Crawford #fundie christianforums.com

Evolutionist Discrimination in Public Education.

There are currently five categories which the U.S. legally recognizes in which persons may voluntarily identify and classify themselves as, according to their self-evident, self-recognized and self-identified common ancestral racial traits of national and geographic origins. None of these categories are Homo sapiens.

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As far as the U.S. legal system is concerned, there does not seem to be any legally protected class of persons called Homo sapiens or any ancestral category of persons named Homo erectus from whom Homo sapiens are believed by neo-Darwinists to have descended.

Since it may reasonably be considered to be a violation of their civil rights to have their human ancestors related to, or called, anything other than what the U.S. Government recognizes as legally protected classes of persons, I respectfully submit that teachers and students in U.S. public school systems who publically volunteer to self-identify and self-classify themselves as members of any of the legally recognized and protected classes of persons established by law, may not be involuntarily labeled and classified as Homo sapiens in public schools without their written consent or the written consent of their parents or legal guardians.

Otherwise, if state governments continue to mandate and impose evolutionary neo-Darwinist beliefs and teachings about the human ancestry of the five legitimate racial catagories in which students and teachers have voluntarily chosen to identify and classify themselves as, then public school students and teachers have every right to sue the state for civil rights violations and a redress of racial and ancestral grievances.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

['Would someone please provide a definition of supernatural and offer evidence that the "supernatural" even exists?']

By supernatual they mean a violation of what they consider to be natural laws. With God this is not what takes place. When He performs a miracle, He simply restores things to the way He intended them to be. So in a sense He is enforcing the natural laws, not superseding them in a "supernatual" way.

johnd #fundie christianforums.com

[How does the Flood explain all those local abundances of fossils?]

I have to consult my brother but I believe I remember him telling me fossils can be manufactured in laboratories in a matter of hours.

bonhoffer #racist christianforums.com

In my experience black Christians tend to lean more towards the conservative side when it comes to theology and religious belief. To their credit they tend to have stronger faith than white people and black churches usually hold strongly to things such as the inerrancy of the Bible. I would guess they are more likely to reject 'modern' teaching such as theistic evolution. Perhaps partly because they might feel that evolution has been used to oppress them and to racially abuse them.

Clirus #sexist #fundie christianforums.com

A statement frequently made is along the lines; The responsibilities for family care taking (for children and aging parents) continue to fall disproportionately on women. I consider this to be an Atheistic statement because it is inconsistent with the Bible as stated above. Not only is it Atheistic, but I believe this will lead to a physical disaster in America. More and more the role of caring for children and the elderly is being forced on the government through a wide range of socialist welfare programs. Government cannot provide the love that is necessary for the job of caring for the children and elderly.

Already we are seeing more and more office jobs taken by women and laboring jobs (carpenters, plumbers, car repair, etc.) taken by men. It is moving toward a situation where the cost of a plumbing repair is going to be $100 per hour and sex. It may get to where men become day laborers that are paid cash where there are no taxes or social security. Men would earn enough for booze and porno and wait for some woman to take care of him till she conceives. If the men began to band together the situation could become like it is in Africa, where rape, pillage and destruction is normal.

The greatest contribution of Christianity has been the Christian Family Concept where the man is the provider, and the woman cares for the children and elderly. The woman equality movement is an Atheistic attack on the Christian Family Concept.

The thing I really do not understand is why women hate the position God gave to them. I know women love their children and their parents, but then abandon the children and parents to have a job other than the job God assigned them. The only way I have ever been able to understand this is stated in I Timothy, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

It would appear Satan is well on the way to another success story. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and Christians may well be kicked out of America as Atheistic welfare programs increase.

john crawford #fundie christianforums.com

I got this idea while posting on the "Hobbit" thread and thought it worthwhile to scientifically test and develop.

Why let English-speaking paleoanthropologists arbitrarily label individual members of the human race with Latin terms such as Homo sapiens, Homo heidlebergensis, Homo erectus and Homo floresiensis when we can do that for ourselves?

I propose to call all living members of the human race Human speciens and all human fossils Human speciensis. That way, neo-Darwinist race theorists won't be able to associate any human fossils in Africa with African ape look-alikes.

Of course, neo-Darwinists can still call themselves Homo sapiens as long as they stop Latinizing our human ancestors as Homo this and Homo that.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

People try to say there is no connection between Hitler and Darwin, but a lot of what Hitler was trying to do was to create the perfect race. He eliminated the people he considered to be weak, the retarded people and people in mental institutions. He had one experment of blond haired blue eyed young people that were going to marry and start the perfect race.

When Hitler failed to accomplish his purpose a lot of the theory of evolution was discredited. Evolutionists have done what they could to maintain damage control. Still Hitlers extensive scientific experments falsified a lot of the theory of evolution.

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