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The Voice of Reason #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

The Voice of Reason:
Mostly, same-sex marriages are a danger only to those who would potentially participate in them, as it normalizes same-sex sexual activity and thereby makes it less likely that those with same-sex sexual attractions will practice abstinence.
As far as danger posed by same-sex marriages to heterosexual people, I really don't see any. Sure there's the contribution to the gradual desensitization of the culture to sexual sin, but I think same-sex marriage has a pretty marginal share of the blame for that. The normalization of pornography, men fathering children and leaving the mothers to fend for themselves, and the casual sex culture in general are far, far more to blame for the moral decay in this area than the minor impact that could be contributed to same-sex marriage.

Fandango:
Why do people such as yourself keep expecting homosexuals to be heterosexuals? They can’t.

The Voice of Reason:
I don't, nor did I claim to. Sexual attraction is not a decision, it's something one is born with. How a person acts, or refrains from acting, on that attraction is very much a choice.

Fandango:
Are you telling a homosexual he or she should live a life free of sexual gratification, then?

The Voice of Reason:
Yes.

Fandango:
Why? Why should they be denied the rich experience of falling in love the rest of us enjoy?

The Voice of Reason:
They are being denied nothing, I oppose all attempts by governments to enforce any sexual norms. But when it comes to morality, the only morally permissible form of sexual activity is within the bonds of a heterosexual marriage. All others, be they homosexuals or unmarried heterosexuals, are called to abstinence.

Honey Crisis #fundie disqus.com

i'm in league with the queer folk like me.
the world's beautiful monsters, like the author of Sea-Witch, the fairies and freaks and all our glory.
but not just the other monsters like me. but like Jesus Christ, perfect monster. Or monsters like Marie Curie, or monsters touched by madness, like me or Hitchcock. I'm in league with the poor. With the convict. With the tortured geniuses and the other prophets. I'm in it with the redeemers we destroy like MLK Jr. I'm in league everyone you hate. And everyone I hate. And everyone we love to hate when you or I should remember to love. And I'm in league with you even if we sometimes forget that. But also I'm in league with the w h o r e s and and the wretched. The suffering. The ill. And yes, the weird and the queer.
I'm in league with the messy underbelly of humanity we as a society love to devalue or even despise.
As Eugene Debs said so beautifully addressing a court so long ago:
"Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."

Tony Venuti #fundie disqus.com

In response to the question "How dangerous are same sex marriages?"

Tony Venuti:
Pervs once allowed IN...will never support things that are "square"..just BECAUSE...that's how identity politics works...in stead of all of US BEING AMERICAN.......the isms newly created and or otherwise...being the exceptions to the RULE...NOW RULE....

The media magnifying the minimum while minimizing the maximum.....

and now one fights the media...I say Picket the Media get in their face

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Alien child: So dad, how did the Earthlings go extinct?
Alien father: Well son, they kept trying to breed with the same gender, males with males and females with females, and they also killed their unborn before they were even born.

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If battery terminals were man and woman instead of positive and negative, would there still be an argument on same sex marriage?

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HETEROPHOBIA n. An unrelenting fear of waking up some morning as a heterosexual

Amos Moses #fundie disqus.com

Wayne Borean:
How we understand (scripture) may differ. I’ve seen some interesting disagreements over what various sections mean.

Amos Moses:
"But how we understand it may differ"
there is Gods understanding ... the rest is garbage and not scripture

Fandango:
Practically all Christians will say they follow God’s understanding.

Amos Moses:
and we are to test those spirits to see if they do ............ so what ..........

Fandango:
Are you willing to be tested yourself by other Christians?

Amos Moses:
every day .....

Fandango:
And what happens when they find you to be incorrect about something pertaining to scripture?

Amos Moses:
many have used false theology here .... thinking they were correct ..... trying to make scripture say what they wanted it to say .... and it happens frequently ...... they do not last long .......... they are no longer here ............—

Fandango:
OK, but my question was about the times you have been corrected because you happened to be incorrect regarding something in scripture.

Amos Moses:
as i said ..... many have tried .... failed ....... go for it champ .............

Fandango:
My intent was not to test you. You have answered my question. Thanks.

Honey Crisis #fundie disqus.com

"For the liberal’s view of society, which seems to accord the queer a place, endorses no more than the conservative right’s the queerness of resistance to futurism and thus the queerness of the queer. While the right wing imagines the elimination of queers (or of the need to confront their existence), the left would eliminate queerness by shining the cool light of reason upon it, hoping thereby to expose it as merely a mode of sexual expression free of the all-pervasive coloring, the determining fantasy formation, by means of which it can seem to portend, and not for the right alone, the undoing of the social order and its cynosure, the Child. Queerness thus comes to mean nothing for both: for the right wing, the nothingness always at war with the positivity of civil society; for the left, nothing more than a sexual practice in need of demystification."
- Lee Edelman, queer theorist, and author of No Future
He's a bit ahead of the evolutionary biologists in understanding the purpose of our aberant sexualities and unruly genders.
He understands we're here to corrupt the social order, so that it can be adaptable in the face of change.
We are the gravediggers of society. And yes, our existence influences and alters your society, and thus all of us who live under it.

?o???? ???slS #fundie disqus.com

"For the liberal’s view of society, which seems to accord the queer a place, endorses no more than the conservative right’s the queerness of resistance to futurism and thus the queerness of the queer. While the right wing imagines the elimination of queers (or of the need to confront their existence), the left would eliminate queerness by shining the cool light of reason upon it, hoping thereby to expose it as merely a mode of sexual expression free of the all-pervasive coloring, the determining fantasy formation, by means of which it can seem to portend, and not for the right alone, the undoing of the social order and its cynosure, the Child. Queerness thus comes to mean nothing for both: for the right wing, the nothingness always at war with the positivity of civil society; for the left, nothing more than a sexual practice in need of demystification."
- Lee Edelman, queer theorist, and author of No Future
He's a bit ahead of the evolutionary biologists in understanding the purpose of our aberant sexualities and unruly genders.
He understands we're here to corrupt the social order, so that it can be adaptable in the face of change.
We are the gravediggers of society. And yes, our existence influences and alters your society, and thus all of us who live under it.

Honey Crisis #fundie disqus.com

Frankly, the ever expanding acronym of LGBTQetc looks to be a byproduct of a stovepipe system.

A stovepipe system is a term used in engineering. It's what happens when you build a model based on a false conception of an underlying concept the model is based on. So your model has to keep being added to with hacks, kludges, and bag-on-the-side retrofitting as the underlying reality keeps butting heads with the theoretical model, which leads to the model growing and growing as it is desperately modified again and again to keep up with new information that contradicts it.

And that's exactly what happened when western cishet "learned" men, utterly confident in their own benevolence, and utterly clueless about queerness, set out to try to dissect us.

So I call bullshit on the whole sorry affair.

I'm queer. LGBT is a false consciousness.

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Feds spend $140,625 to reduce 'intersectional stigma' of men who want to be women in Nepal"

Original Fox News headline: "Feds spend $140,625 to reduce 'intersectional stigma' of transwomen in Nepal"

(Link to original Fox News story which Lady Checkmate has cut and pasted to her own channel: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/10/feds-spend-140625-to-reduce-intersectional-stigma-transwomen-in-nepal.html)

Bob:
The insanity of the left knows no bounds

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Lady Checkmate:
They're confused, lost and in need of the risen Savior, Jesus Christ. He can save and deliver them.

Chela:
"men who want to be women"
The word "want" seems to imply that transgenderism is a desire, and not an intrinsic state into which a person is born. ...so all the money, social upheaval, "men who want to be women" in women's restrooms, etc etc....are all simply just to entertain the desires and "wants" of....men. So "men who want to be women" are actually being sexists by insisting other people's "wants" should be subservient to their "wants".

Lady Checkmate:
Chela, that was my edit added for clarity. Thanks for sharing. You're right.

Guest Verified #fundie disqus.com

Guest Verified:
Even abortionists don't deny that they are killing a baby when they commit an abortion. Medical science has proven that irrefutably. Abortionists now merely argue that it's all right to kill a child if it is young enough.

Fandango:
“Even abortionists don’t deny that they are killing a baby when they commit an abortion.”
Strictly speaking that is untrue. They would definitely not use that terminology. They would say they were terminating a pregnancy or a fetus.

Guest Verified:
You must have missed the Planned Parenthood tapes, or the abortionist who said, "Of course it's a baby!" when talking about what he/she was aborting.

Fandango:
I probably missed a few, but they'd be the exceptions. Generally speaking they wouldn't refer to them as having personhood because lack of personhood is the cornerstone of their argument. They certainly don't see it as murder, which is technically correct because murder applies only to living people outside of the womb.

Guest Verified:
No it doesn't. Murder applies to living people, and babies in utero are living.

Fandango:
Well, no, otherwise people would go to jail for murder when an abortion took place.

Guest Verified:
Except they don't. Modern science proves that's a living being inside the womb. Abortionists know it. However, sin is prevailing so much that abortionists/murderers get away with murder all the time. Rarely is justice served anymore.

Fandango:
It isn’t really a science issue. Science doesn’t argue about the fact that it’s the termination of a living thing, they would tell you that the fetus has the potential to become a baby but isn’t one yet. And before that it is a zygote. Everyone’s in agreement on the science, just not the terminology.

Guest Verified:
Science proves it's a living baby. Abortionists know they are killing babies.

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

Today's Laugh 8-7-18
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Medical scan: Ocasio-Cortez
Test result: Liberal indoctrination

Spirit scan:
(Ocasio-Cortez simultaneously speaking with demon): Support Palestine! Election fraud is justified! Down with police! Free everything!

Guest Verified #fundie disqus.com

Bob Johnson:
So, should Disneyland be closed on the Sabbath? Should the NFL be forbidden to play on Sunday? Shall the US return to all the Blue Laws that have been repealed? Which of God’s laws does a judge enforce?

Susan Perelka:
The sabbath rest is now in Jesus, the first was just a foreshadow of the real One to come. Read the book of Romans and Hebrews. We are under a New Covenant.

Bob Johnson:
So it would appear by your reasoning that the “sabbath rest is now in Jesus” began with the New Covenant. That this New Covenant did not really begin until the repeal of the Blue Laws in 1961, before that the multitude did not understand Jesus’ message.
So much for the 4th Commandment.

Guest Verified:
You don't even know when Sabbath is, nor do you know what it is for. Why are you pretending to be an expert on it? :)
When do you think the sabbath is, Bob?

Bob Johnson:
Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Guest Verified:
So why did you refer to it as Sunday in your other posts, Bob? Do you even know what you are talking about, or are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

Bob Johnson:
Susan is claiming that US judges should be following God’s Word but never force someone to believe against their will. She is also stating that we are now thanks to Jesus under a New Covenant. Many Christians accept that the Sabbath is now Sunday and American Blue Laws (which began being repealed in the 1960s) reflected this by requiring most businesses to be closed on Sundays. I asked the questions for Disneyland being closed on Saturday, the traditional Sabbath, and the NFL with all the associated vendors working on Sunday. So to get down to brass tacks, how should we understand the fourth commandment? And should we again reenact those blue laws to follow God’s Word?

Guest Verified:
You clearly didn't understand what Susan is saying. Try re-reading it carefully without making assumptions.
Show me where in the Bible it states that Sabbath got switched to Sunday, and where it says Christians must observe it. I'll wait.

Bob Johnson:
“Show me where in the Bible it states that Sabbath got switched to Sunday, and where it says Christians must observe it.”
The second part is easy, look to the Ten Commandments. Commandment Four states in Exodus 20:8-11,
“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
So if as Susan was saying, that the US should follow God’s law would that not start with the Ten Commandments? If not, which of the other Ten Commandments may Christians simply ignore?
Sunday - I agree with you the Bible does not state that the Sabbath was switched to Sunday, but then we must look to Christian tradition, why is worship services on Sunday? Why is it called Sunday School? And for all those American blue laws, why were stores and restaurants closed on Sunday?

Guest Verified:
Hi Bob,
The portion of Scripture you quoted is from the Old Covenant and in no way suggests sabbath was moved to Sunday. In fact, it proves otherwise. :) Here's a tip for you: try actually reading the Bible before telling us what it says. Copying from atheist sites will only make you look bad. They always get it wrong. :)
It also is from the commandments that were given to the Israelites. The Bible always specifies when God is talking to all mankind or when He is talking to Israel specifically.
As far as why Christians meet on Sundays and have Sunday school, well, that has nothing to do with sabbath. Paul instructed Christians to meet the first day of the week in order to make a collection for the poor, and that habit stuck. (Sunday is the first day of the week.)
If there's anything else I can clear up for you, just let me know.

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

Today's Laugh 7-26-18

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Transcript:
Caption: Fake media presents: Persistence of Madness
Shadowy figure on cliff (holding "Blackmail by Putin" sign):
Another dud. But there's breaking news coming up!

(A man is throwing assorted boxes over a cliff marked "City Dump" - the boxes are variously marked: "Russia", "Incompetent", "Treason", "Trade War", "Stormie (sic) Daniels", "Border Crisis", "Mental Illness", "Nuclear War", "Heart Disease", "Helsinki", "Trump-Cohen Tapes". These are being fed intravenously into Trump's beefed-up arm. Trump's shirt says MAGA.)

Mick Williams:
Episode: "So many shots in the foot"
They never learn. Strong delusion, you know

Amos Moses #fundie #transphobia disqus.com

American4Truth:
If you "identity" as something that you are not, then you are mentally ill, Period!

swibily:
Doesn't it require a mental health professional to make a diagnosis like that?

Amos Moses:
nope........

swibily:
Really, because I think it does. Otherwise it's an opinion.

Amos Moses:
and that is just YOUR opinion ........ so NOPE ........

swibily:
No, it isn't my opinion that making a medical diagnosis requires someone with medical credentials, so NOPE right back at you.

Amos Moses:
BUT .... it is JUST YOUR OPINION that this is a MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS ...... and FYI ..... NO "medical credentials" are required ....... so NOPE .......... it is however a SPIRITUAL diagnosis ..... and YOU are not qualified to make it .......... YUP .........

swibily:
You are not qualified to give a spiritual nor a medical diagnosis. I'm not providing either, just saying that if someone makes such a pronouncement they better have medical proof to back it up.

Amos Moses:
"You are not qualified to give a spiritual nor a medical diagnosis."

and again ..... THAT IS JUST YOUR OPINION ......... so who cares .... YOU are not qualified to judge if it is SPIRITUALLY diagnosed correctly as you reject those things ....... and we do not REQUIRE YOUR PERMISSION to do so ..... so NOPE .......... whatta ya gonna do about it hot shot ......... you and your multiple SOCK ACCOUNTS ..... and all of your ~200 comments here ........... DIDDLY .........

swibily:
I'm not here to argue with you. The bottom line is you cannot call something a mental illness if you're not in an intellectual position to make such a diagnosis.

Amos Moses:
"The bottom line is you cannot call something a mental illness if you're not in an intellectual position to make such a diagnosis."
ROTFL AGAIN ......... ummm ... again .... YOU are not an AUTHORITY HERE ..... and it is JUST YOUR OPINION that it is a MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS ...... and despite your objections to it ..... YES ..... we certainly CAN ..... FYI ..... it is not a "medical diagnosis" here as this is not a medical setting ...... so BOO to you .... and as i said ..... whatta ya gonna do about it hot shot ......... you and your multiple SOCK ACCOUNTS ..... and all of your ~200 comments here ...... right ..... DIDDLY .........

swibily:
I’m not attempting to BE an authority. You are. You are the one calling everything a mental illness just because you want to call it that.

Amos Moses:
"I’m not attempting to BE an authority. You are." ..... ROTFL .... LIE ....
ummmm .... okay ..... NOPE ...... the one, the only and the FINAL AUTHORITY here is scripture ..... not MY OPINION ..... and NOT YOURS ............ when and IF you ever can prove anything you say or accuse others here arises to meet scripture ..... then maybe some of what you say may be proven true ...... but none of it has so far ..... as you reject God and scripture ........
"You are the one calling everything a mental illness just because you want to call it that."
more lies .........

swibily:
Why are you dragging in all this irrelevant mush? All I am saying is you aren’t a medical professional so you aren’t qualified to cite mental illness. Which is perfectly true. A religious person with an opinion is just that.

Amos Moses:
Okay where is YOUR evidence that i am not .... right .... you have none .... and .... YOU constantly try to assert yourself as authority here .... AS YOU JUST DID .... with your assertion about my education .... and you LIED as you did so .... so NOT "irrelevant mush" ..

swibily:
Where did you obtain your Ph.d. from?

Amos Moses:
so you understand that to ask that question is a DIRECT admission that you have no evidence and that you lied ..... so thnx for your admission of guilt ...... and that is also an admission you are again trying to assert YOUR authority as if you had any to demand it be proven one way or the other and that you have again admitted that you lied that YOU do not try to assert authority here ... again ..... thnx for your admission ......
and to answer your question ...... nunya ... as in none of your business .... and my question to you is ..... WHY do you think you get to ask a person to DOX themselves in a public forum ..... and if you think that is not a big deal ...... ANSWER YOUR OWN question and DOX yourself ............
FYI ..... you have yet to prove such documentation is a requirement for anything outside of a medical setting ...... and you have to prove that just because a person has an alphabet behind their name that they are competent to determine anything especially in the field of inquiry they profess to be "expert" ............ see ..... that is ALSO an authority issue ..... and YOU are again asserting that as authority .....

swibily:
It isn’t about me.
I’m not making scientific claims.
That would be YOU doing that.
Problem is, you have no qualifications.

Amos Moses:
you are not a man (or woman) under authority ...... and therefore you have no authority ....... "Problem is, you have no qualifications." ..... you are not a competent judge to make that assessment ......... AND THAT IS A CLAIM YOU MADE .......

swibily:
None of this is about me, it’s about you calling things mental illness because you disapprove of them and not because they are actually mental illness. Unless you’d care to tell me where you got your Ph.d. from.

Amos Moses:
again .... trying to get a person to DOX themselves ... so ... YOU FIRST .... but the fact is YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY to make any demand .... nor is your demand even worth considering as you have not PROVEN YOUR CLAIM that a FUD (Ph.D) is a requirement here or that it is a requirement OUTSIDE a medical setting ..... SO FIRST ...... PROVE YOUR CLAIM .........

swibily:
I do not require authority to request authority. I would not get on an airplane if I didn't know the pilot was qualified to fly the plane. I don't need authority to make such a request.

Amos Moses:
"I do not require authority to request authority."
sure ... request DENIED ........ you have no authority here .......... i do not grant you any authority ever and there is no one here able to grant it to you ..... the AUTHORITY here is scripture ... learn to use it and be under it ..... or take a hike .....
FYI .... i do not know what kind of an airplane you are referring to .... but if you get on a passenger jet ... and ask to see the pilots credentials .... i think the pilot would ask to see your credentials first i.e. your FAA credentials (AUTHORITY) .... and if you had none he or she would tell you to get off his plane ........... they are the captain ....... so nice bluff .....

swibily:
I don't have authority. I don't need it, and I am not using it. Understand that yet?
A patient doesn't need authority to request it of his doctor.
A passenger doesn't need authority to request it of his pilot.
A student doesn't need authority to request it of his teacher.
You are being requested for authority because you are diagnosing things as "mental illness" but you are not a doctor.

Amos Moses:
"A patient doesn't need authority to request it of his doctor.
A passenger doesn't need authority to request it of his pilot.
A student doesn't need authority to request it of his teacher."
you can try and assert that authority ... they might grant it .... we have NO authority to grant YOU authority to judge scripture ..... DENIED ....
"You are being requested for authority because you are diagnosing things as "mental illness" but you are not a doctor."....
you have no authority to make that assessment ...... you would have to have GREATER OR EQUAL AUTHORITY to do so .... if you do not hold at least equal authority YOU are not a competent judge .....SO ....
where is YOUR authority .......

swibily:
No one's asserting authority by asking a question. You are having a hard time with that one, aren't you?

Amos Moses:
YUP .... you are asserting a desire to judge it .... you are not a competent judge ........

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

Today's Laugh 7-19-18

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(NOTE: Difficult to say what is going on in this comic strip but I will identify the various things being said and the reader may try to understand for themselves)

Man labelled Brennan with 666 on his forehead: TREASON!
Man walking across bridge labelled Helsinki: I'd trust people like Putin over the fake media.
Creature labelled ABC: ...ahuh, wha...I smell blood.
Creature labelled CBS: Sedition. Heresy.
Creature labelled NBC: At long last-we have him!

Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. #fundie disqus.com

Only satanists, like the Cathlics who are satanists on the account of not being Christians (Matthew 12:30), would need this ridiculous writ relative to the modernist reinvention of birth control and promotion of carnality! Is the so-called "birth control" a new thing? NOT! Pagans throughout history used various means to increase and excuse their engagement in carnal activities in the name of satan. Ancient Egyptians, whom our Jesus punished with the exodus of the Jew, ate crocodile feces and European pagans rubbed weasel testes over their faces to be able to do the dirty deed without shame of producing bastard progeny. The Cathlics are no better in that they encourage carnality and instruct the female, that Sister of Eve, to time the activity of the satanic bestial joy to the "right time of the month".

But as Christians, we study the Bible and can learn by implication that our beloved baby Jesus despises ALL carnality, including those occurrences of the inseminatory procedure conducted within the confines of marriage! Was there all this rumping around like dogs in heat nonsense in the Garden of Eden? NOT! It was only after the Fall that carnality became a shameful part of human condition, one that up until recently Christians had to engage in for the purpose of being fruitful and multiplying.

But none of this is even needed now, especially when one lives in the United States of America, where we have modern technologies like in vitro fertilization! What a great solution to common carnality and proper Christian family planning, is it not?! The female can be simply taken to a Christian doctor about once a year to have proper insemination conducted in clean and healthy medical setting, thus ensuring a consistent flow of good quality genetic stocks of young Christian soldiers into our communities and churches. And all without any bestial and sinful (Ps. 51:5) intermingling of flesh! Praise and glory to the Lord!

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

Today's Laugh 7-21-18

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Caption reads: Democrat candidates model the real names on the ballot.

Names written on foreheads: Comey, Strzok, Whoopie [sic], Maxine Waters, Brennan, Mueller, Clapper, Rosenstein, Obama, Hillary

Guest Verified #fundie disqus.com

swibily:
Catholics are Christians who follow the Bible. I don't understand your complaint.

Guest Verified:
Untrue.

swibily:
It's very true. Consult your dictionary. Or a history book.

Guest Verified:
I already have. I now recognize you as a former poster under a new nic. You keep going on about the catholic organization yet you deny actual history, and actual dictionary definitions.

swibily:
I am not a former poster, just someone who understands that Catholics are Christians and considering the entire world already knows this and you don't, maybe you simply enjoy your fringey opinion a little too much. If you are the type of Christian who argues with the dictionary and settled sources, then you identify yourself as someone who is too unreasonable to converse with.

Guest Verified:
The oldest Christian church is not catholic. The early Church was Jewish. The oldest archaeologically established church building is Eastern Orthodox. catholic commentary refers to the added extras the catholic establishment puts in and takes out to control the masses. It's not the true Word of God.

swibily:
The Catholic church is AMONG the oldest churches. It's certainly far older, more established and more relevant than the church you belong to which ultimately branched from it. So if you're saying it's not the true Word of God, then yours isn't either. In terms of Christianity, for centuries, it is all there was.

Guest Verified:
You keep repeating that, but it isn't true. That's propaganda. The early church was Jewish.

swibily:
It isn’t propaganda, I am referring to the period prior to the Protestant Reformation, the very point of which should clearly illustrate that Catholics are Christians.

Guest Verified:
The Christian Church existed long before the pope or Martin Luther. Read the Bible.

swibily:
That has no bearing on whether the Catholic church is Christian. The Catholic church canonized the Bible to begin with.

Guest Verified:
You clearly are ignorant of basic church history and your own cult's history.

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

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CABLE GUY: Cable guy here, with the first 4 letters of the alphabet:

Plan A: CLEAR HILLARY
Strzok's plan worked right brilliant, but those 'smelly Walmart' people didn't like his commie candidate, and elected them a REAL president!

On to Plan B: IMPEACH!
If I was that Putin feller, I'd heap rather have Hillary in there as president. Just another checker player like Obama, and Putin sure mopped up the floor with that guy! Impeach is dead, and the dems keep whippin' that poor ol' horse, but he's down for the count!

Plan C: Obstruct, and take back congress
The dems are holdin' up over a thousand folks that need to get appointed, but Trump's gettin' 'er done anyway! What's this for givin' Strzok a purple heart? What a slap in the face to military folks he looks down his nose at! But those crazy dems just keep on shootin' themselves in the foot.

Plan D: Violence and anarchy
If you can't get control of the house, then burn it down. That's the globalist plan anyhow--turn America into Europe. Those wide-open borders are a great way to commit suicide!

And there it is like a dead fish on the pier at high noon. Phew!

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

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CAPTION: At a theater in hell:

COMEDY TIME WITH DON LEMON

Man (presumably Don Lemon): It's a modern horror story: Trump's SCOTUS pick will deprive women of their God-given right to abortion.

BACKGROUND SLOGAN: CNN: All communist. All the time.

Alan Minchin #fundie disqus.com

The great strength of the position concerning historical Bible language translation/interpretation that I have previously outlined is that it guards against attempts to force the acceptance of a particular agenda.
In dismissing "the established view" you are actually dismissing the consensus of academic research and textural criticism that has accrued from centuries of such work.
You mention agenda. Your agenda is obviously the defence and promotion of homosexuality. In order to do this you are obliged to cast doubt upon the reliability of the Bible and its teaching, and thus undermine its acceptance, by Christians, as being God's revelation to us.
Thankfully, for "ordinary" Christians (the majority of us), God's "guiding hand" is seen in the consensus of today's biblical scholarship and is our safeguard.

Guest Verified #fundie disqus.com

Guest Verified:
Science has not determined that transgenderism is a physical condition with reproduceable results.

HarmNoOne:
it is true. what is not determined is the issue of being gender nonbinary.

Guest Verified:
It is not true. You cannot produce one scientific study that proves it.

HarmNoOne:
there are many papers on it

Guest Verified:
Name one.

HarmNoOne:
ill name you several
Transgender Kids Show Consistent Gender Identity Across Measures - Association for Psychological Science
Landmark study to track ‘pioneer’ generation of transgender children - University of Washington
Landmark paper published on transgender health issues - The Lancet
‘They Aren’t Confused’: Landmark Study Shows Transgender Children Have Consistent, ‘Deeply-Held’ Gender Identity - Psychological Science
Transgender People, Gender Identity and Gender Expression - The American Psychological Association

Guest Verified:
Yeah, you mentioned these before under another handle. Those are all psychology opinion pieces. They are not scientific studies and there is no transgender gene.

HarmNoOne:
i dont have another handle.
psychological opinions are what eventually form scientific consensus and you can see that several of those are landmark papers. do you want more examples, they are easy enough to obtain, or will you just blithly shoot them all down too because you don't believe in psychology?

Guest Verified:
a.) Psychology is not a real science.
b.) The articles you provided do not prove there is a transgender gene. They do, however, prove transgenderism is a mental illness, which is the field psychology attempts to address.

HarmNoOne:
psychology is absolutely a real science, where did you learn it wasnt? and since when is the presence of a transgender gene the only proof of transgenders existing? mental illness is just a tag religious people hang on things they are too lazy to explore.

Alan Minchin #fundie disqus.com

(=More on human tampering, mistranslations or errors in the Bible - It's a pretty long discussion=)

Reverend Bill Carey: If I were, for a minute, to believe that God was guiding the translators, I'd have to believe He was totally incompetent, since the translations frequently disagree with each other, all contain deliberate errors of translation, and many contain a verse the translators KNEW was not part of the original text. Does that sound like the work of God or the guidance of the Holy Spirit to you?
Interpretation is scripture is not at issue here. Translation is. You can "interpret" an incorrectly translated verse any way you want, and you are still going to get the wrong understanding.
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The importance of the Johannine Comma? Are you kidding? There is not even a shadow of doubt that John never wrote that verse. CENTURIES after John wrote it, some anonymous monk in Europe, charged with copying over the epistle by hand, inserted HIS OWN words into the text. They break the sense of the passage, as they are not pertinent to John's immediate topic. They DO NOT BELONG THERE. Whether one believes the statement or not is irrelevant. Those words are not the word of God, but the word of man, and do not belong in ANY Bible. And the translators ALL knew that.

Alan Minchin: In preparation for either sermons, church magazine articles or notes for a Bible reading discussion group I consult more than one translation of the Bible.
I currently use nine whole Bible translations, of which three are study Bibles. Eight are the work of teams of biblical scholars and one is a "solo" translation.
I also use three "solo" translations of the New Testament alone, alongside various commentaries and dictionaries.
It is noteworthy that all scholars - teams as well as solo academics - have submitted their work to the scrutiny of panels and groups of other biblical scholars, (and involved churches of most denominations), all to guarantee accuracy in what they have produced and which can be seen in today's rich offering of Bibles. We also have the results, since the seventeenth century, of textural criticism the fruits of which can be readily witnessed, not only in modern study bibles and commentaries but on the various Internet Web Sites now available.
In this light, your claims of intentional dishonesty and fraud by scholars over many decades, and that we have today a dishonest and unreliable Bible, such claims are unsustainable. Today's Bibles are more accurate and reliable than at any other time in history. Any discerning reader today can, for themselves, be aware of mistranslations, scribal errors, interpolations as well as cultural influences and practices that came into play in earlier times.
Not only do I see God's "guiding hand" upon the original forty or so biblical authors but it is clearly to be seen in the scholarship that has guided and corrected to where we are today.

Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. #fundie disqus.com

My utmost esteemed and illustrious fellow true Christians,

Relative to how a man is to treat his wife, we have a wonderful sermon by one of our utmostest brethren, Brother Pastor James the Preacher! To wit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4jYrvaKbKQ

Just because the man is to be the head of the sister of Eve, 1 Cor 11:3, does NOT mean we are not to love the second-class citizen that is the female! The notion may be foreign to the false Christian like the assorted Cathlic, Homolutheran, Episcopalian, false Prestyterian, or any other rejector of the Christian Bible, but not the real Christian. To wit:

"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it". Eph 5:25.

As the glorious Pastor Reverend Dixon would say, "Bible says so, we believe so!" Praise and Glory!

Arthur Miskelly #fundie disqus.com

Romans 1 is about people not recognising who God really is even though He is manifested in His very creation. It is about worshiping the creature rather than the Creator and being left to fulfill their own lustfful, perverted and unnatural desires. If you cannot see that I feel for you and will pray that the Lord removes the scales from your eyes. Recommended reading, “The Unlikely Convert”. God Bless
PS heterosexuality isn’t a choice. It is natural. Homosexuality is a choice. It is unnatural.

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "The Alt-Left's False Accusations of Hate and their total misunderstanding of Love and Tolerance"

NOTE: Immediately after posting this, Lady Checkmate closed the conversation to prevent commenting.

I couldn't have said this better myself...

Tolerance "tolerates" differences; love embraces regardless of differences. In 2016, I received a call from a concerned sister whose brother was suicidal. The following day, I had the privilege of visiting him, a male prostitute, in North Hollywood. I spent two hours sharing God's love, my prodigal story and hope in Christ. I left him feeling hopeful and encouraged.

A month later, I received a call that he had died in his sleep, possibly from complications of pneumonia. .......... Tolerance would not have motivated me to drive three hours round-trip, but love did.

Amen.

The Alt-Left's Hate:

Some people WANT you to hate them.
1. They want you to hate them because THEY get oppression points. Being the victim is an accomplishment for them. People want you to hate them because it gives THEM significance. Believing they are hated is a fundamental part of their identity.
2. They want you to hate them because if you do not, they would feel obligated to consider what you have to say. The respectful thing to do with people you disagree with is to engage them through an exchange of ideas that involve mutual respect and a sincere attempt to understand the others perspective. But they do not want to have to explain why kids do not need to have a mother AND a father or why a white woman can identify as a man but not an african american. They want to be able to do whatever they want to do and never feel "judged" for doing it. By telling themselves you are hateful relieves them of the need to defend what they are doing and their ideas from critique.
3. They want to believe you hate them because THEY HATE YOU. That is the great irony here. They hate you because you believe there are ways to show love other than through approval. And if you hate them back, in their minds that somehow validates THEIR hatred of YOU. That is the nature of bitterness. The sad fact is, once you choose to hate someone, EVERYTHING they say or do is offensive to you. Even kindnesses will be interpreted in a way that allows them to think of it as hate. It could be they accuse you of hating them because THEY WANT YOU TO HATE THEM.
~ Joseph Backholm

True. There's nothing we can do about that.

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND. May God bless you and keep you.

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Canada's Trudeau corrects woman for using 'mankind' at town hall"

(cut-and-paste of Fox news story follows, link here: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/06/canadas-trudeau-corrects-woman-for-using-mankind-at-town-hall.html

Lady Checkmate:
Truedummy strikes again.

tranna boy:
this is our prime minister at his finest:
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Priceright89:
Lost: Canada's balls.

Speedskater Rex:
He doesn’t like to use the word because many people in Canada don’t consider himself man enough to run their country. He’s an ineffectual girly boy who can’t keep promises and wants to re-integrate ISIS terrorists into society. Pathetic “leader”.

Alan Minchin #fundie disqus.com

(=On mistranslations, alterations or errors of the Bible over the centuries=)

Alan Minchin: I return again to a previous question. Are you claiming that there has been a massive fraud in the scholarship behind the production of today's modern translations?

Reverend William H. Carey: Sorry, but your denials carry no weight. The evidence for deliberate scriptural tampering is overwhelming and irrefutable, and any honest Hebrew and Greek scholar will acknowledge it. (And first year student of the languages could spot the errors without difficulty.)
I notice you didn't bother to try to defend your claims about sodomites. Very wise. But you also didn't address the clear errors in Deut. 6:4 in most versions, and Col. 1:19 in about half of all versions.

Alan Minchin: Oh dear. "Yes, obviously, there has been a conspiracy over the past four centuries to pervert the message of the Bible". Your statement can be seen as clearly nonsensical, even paranoic, when rationally seen against the large numbers of biblical scholars (of many traditions) who have been involved, over many decades, in bringing to us today's English language translations.
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Remember - to destroy the Christian gospel one first has to destroy the credibility and authority of The Bible.

Arthur Miskelly #fundie disqus.com

Roy Davey-Jenkins: What perversity has engulfed those Presbyterians who express "profound hurt" at Godly decisions! What sight malfunction has inflicted those Presbyterians who view standing on God's Word as an "unnecessary narrowing"! What madness has come upon those Presbyterians who believe that faithful adherence to God's revelation in Scripture will "damage our credibility"!

petej: Lots of church members will have family members who are gay. It is bound to hurt and upset them to see their family members excluded from the church. In fact, it would be a bit of a worry if they felt nothing.

Arthur Miskelly: I have a lesbian family member, whom I love, and have told her so. I have also told her that her lifestyle is sinful and that I could not give my blessing or support at her decision to enter a civil partnership I would be doing her no favours if I did, in fact I would be accepting her route to hell. I would vote against her if she were ever considering church membership, without repenting, in its truest form.

petej: How can she repent of something she didn't choose and has no power to change?
How does your love for her manifest itself? Does she believe your lifestyle is sinful? Has she told you?

Arthur Miskelly: I believe from scripture that it is her choice. No one is born "gay" it is a nurtured condition. I am afraid you have bought Satan's lie which scripture warns us about. I manifest my love for her by praying for her deliverance from this particular sin, not by applauding or condoning it and of course for her soul's salvation. Why am I not surprised at your perverse interpretation of "love"? She does not believe my lifestyle is sinful and surprise ! I know she loves and respects me. I hope this answers your questions.

petej: So is it her choice or a nurtured condition? In what way did her parents fail? I didn’t give an interpretation of love. You claimed to love her. I asked how that was manifest. I’m still asking really because I think just praying for someone to radically change is not really love. I pray for President Trump to radically change, but I don’t think he or I would describe that as love.

Eileen Johnston: Can only take issue with you on your view that your daughter "chose" to have same - sex attraction As I have known my son from birth I know absolutely that this is not true. But it's what we choose to do with our lives, and our weaknesses and temptations that matter to God. Blessings!

Arthur Miskelly: I'm afraid we will have to disagree on that point. It was a bolt from the blue for us. I still love her dearly. Stay Blessed

sandinwindsor: homosexuality is a choice
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts.Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Romans 1:26
Choice
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire Jude 1:7
Choice

TS (unami): Well said, petej.

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TS (unami): How sad, that you reject your child, made in the Image of God, just because of your fear of what you don't understand. God was pleased to make her with her innate orientation just as He was pleased with yours.

Arthur Miskelly: God did not make her with an innate orientation, it was nurtured over many years. I was the one who saw it, not you. I would be condemning her to hell if I embraced, as you put it “her innate orientation”. She is in sin, do not be misled, but I love her. I do not reject her, she is always a welcome child, but sadly she is an unrepentant sinner, no different to three of my sons who are heterosexual incidentally.

Mark Jones: Very well said there Arthur ... thank you for your refreshing and Godly perspective on this matter. It is truly a rarity to see true believers standing by the truth here on Premier.

Amos Moses #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

(commenting on story "Concerns Raised over Video Featuring 10-Year old 'Desmond the Drag Kid': 'I Wanted to Do Drag...When I Was Two"):

Amos Moses:
the pedophilia is getting more organized ..... more overt .... more in your face every day ..... and it is all because of the HOMOMIRAGE decision ......... when you remove restraint on any depravity .... it releases ALL DEPRAVITY to forge ahead ..... and they are doing so with gusto ..... and there is no fear of God before their eyes .... and they have given up any knowledge of anything as a result ..... this is child abuse and it is grooming to be abused ..... these "parents" will have much to answer for .......

HarmNoOne:
explain to me what a ten year old kid who’s into drag has to do with gay marriage.

Amos Moses:
so you are for encouraging people to be in violation of the law ......... hmmmmm ..... interesting ..........

HarmNoOne:
hmm, lets try that again...explain to me what a ten year old kid whos into drag has to do with gay marriage

Amos Moses:
because of the HOMOMIRAGE decision ......... when you remove restraint on any depravity .... it releases ALL DEPRAVITY to forge ahead ........

HarmNoOne:
two adults getting married causes a child to dress in drag, thats what your saying right? can you offer proof, sources, anything at all? something NOT pulled from your imagination? your seriously saying this is what same sex marriage caused? how did it happen? tell me specifically when john married andrew how it caused little johnny to decide to dress in drag. i am fascinated.

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

Today's Laugh 7-3-18

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CAPTIONS: Frame one - THE OLD GUARD (assorted mutterings of "hate Trump")
Frame two - CHANGING OF THE GUARD - woman with rainbow wristband angrily chanting "No I.C.E.", "Socialism", "No prisons", "Free tuition for illegals", "sanctuary nation", "conservatism is a crime", "no profit", "free medical for illegals"

Alan Minchin #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

(=Response to a discussion about the Bible not originally condemning homosexuality. The discussion is fairly lengthy=)

Your first two sentences are incorrect. Homosexual activity was proscribed from earliest Old Testament times as shown in Deuteronomy 23:17 & 18, 1 Kings 14:24 and 2 Kings 23:7.

The sin of Sodom that led to its demise was recognised in the Letter of Jude written probably cAD65 or possibly cAD80.

Errors, alterations and additions in and to biblical texts are well known to modern biblical scholarship, and a good study Bible illustrates these matters so that, I and all of today's readers are able to discern the original intent.

Concerning Leviticus 20:13. Your information, though informative, is not persuasive. To ritually defile someone (especially by accident) would have been seen as a hateful thing but not warranting the death penalty which we can see was ordered for the most serious of sexual offences.
Concerning your comment about Leviticus 18. Between vv6 - 23 there are 17 prohibitive verses regarding unlawful sexual relations and just 1 non-sexual prohibition. So, yes, this seems to be, with one exception, "all about sex".

Amos Moses #fundie disqus.com

Amos Moses:
Children’s Cartoon ‘Drag Tots’ to Feature ‘Baby Drag Queens’ Voiced by Cast of ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’

swibily:
That isn't pedophilia.

Amos Moses:
sexualization of children is pedophilia .............

James Blue:
So "teaching" a child to be heterosexual is pedophilia? teaching a child to be gender specific is "sexualizing" and therefore pedophilia?

Amos Moses:
making a child an object of sex and to dress them in sexual ways ..... IS

swibily:
If you have a cartoon of a child in drag, it's not sexualization of children. For one thing, it's a cartoon. For another, it would have more to do with gender identity than attraction.

Amos Moses:
If it is just a cartoon ..... then why use children ..... it is sexualization of children ....

swibily:
It isn't making a child look appetizing as a sex object, and even if it was, that still wouldn't be pedophilia. Pedophilia means someone directing sexual feelings towards a child.

Amos Moses:
your opinion ...... and nothing else .... you are not the authority here ........

swibily:
I'm not pretending to be the authority. Grab your dictionary and look up the word pedophilia. Or look it up online. It says nothing about tv shows or reading books. It's a very specific thing and you are trying to broaden its meaning.

Amos Moses:
"Grab your dictionary and look up the word "
RIGHT THERE ...... you are trying to assert your authority ..... you are not the authority here ....... FAIL .......

swibily:
It isn't my authority. You are simply using the wrong word to talk about what you mean.

Amos Moses:
you are trying to make your authority the authority ..... and by extension making YOU the authority .... SCRIPTURE is the authority here ..... not you .........

swibily:
We're not talking about scripture. Pedophilia isn't mentioned in scripture, but it is mentioned in the dictionary.

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

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Transcription:

Center for Disease Control Bulletin: Trump Derangement Syndrome

First known occurrence: Nov. 8, 2016.

Etiology: Festers in brains of so-called liberal elites.

Route of transmission: Sporulates through social media as primary vector, with fake news media as secondary reservoir.

Cause: Self-inflicted, exacerbated by unwillingness to think for oneself.

Cure: The Bible.

Prognosis: Usually results in terminal liberalism, with poor to zero chance of recovery.

Manifestations: Bizarre, self-defeating behaviors such as: public harassment of conservatives; talk show psychosis; obscene diatribes; humiliating lack of success debating conservatives; desire to flood the country with criminal illegal aliens; hatred of strong economy.

Consequence of infection: Loss of restaurant ownership; delusional belief in furthering the democrat cause when the opposite is true; fear of Rod Serling.

Help: There is little hope of cure outside the Bible. Since TDS sufferers have been programmed to reject the truth, the prognosis is almost 100% negative. Rare individuals have been known to suddenly wake up and fight off out-of-proportion infection in minority groups.

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

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Caption - Maxine Walters (presumably): Harass republicans everywhere! We can't debate 'em, so we'll close 'em all down!
Man next to her (thought balloon): Curious. I keep on hearing the sound of coffin nails being driven.
Box next to toilet: RID-X - Rid Your Septic System of Garbage

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

Today's Laugh 6-24-18

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[A bottle marked "Truth Spray" being sprayed in a woman's face - unclear if the woman is spraying herself or if it is being done by someone who is presumably Sarah Huckabee Sanders]

Woman: Sarah Huckabee Sanders, your Christian conservative common sense outrages my communist, anti-American sensibilities, the result of turning my back on the Bible. I know you're not a bigot like me. We need open borders because we have no message...

Guest Verified #fundie disqus.com

Tangent002:
But hey, asylum seekers who make it to the US will be detained, separated from their children, and prosecuted as criminals.

Guest Verified:
Asylum seekers are not separated from their children. Illegals are separated from the children they are bringing over unless they can prove they are family members. Out of the 12,000 brought across thus far this year, 10,000 were brought with human traffickers or pedophiles. You should read what the New Yorker, Washington Post, and Breitbart said about this when it happened under the Obama administration. That's why Sessions' suggestion of DNA testing doesn't sound all that far fetched. Who knows how many missing children may suddenly be found?

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

Today's Laugh 6-20-18:

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(Podium labelled "GASBAG Chamber of Commerce)

Hillary Clinton (presumably): "Those poor undocumented migrant kids. Nazi this. Nazi that. Blah blah."

Aside, to child labelled "America's Poor": "Get away, kid. You don't suit my politics."

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Two new baby "drag queens" cartoons"

(cut and pasted from Christian News Network - link here: https://christiannews.net/2018/06/14/childrens-cartoon-drag-tots-to-feature-baby-drag-queens-voiced-by-cast-of-rupauls-drag-race/)

Kandy Sukariya:
:( Horrible what they are doing to Children. They are trying to confuse children. And trying to destroy families.

Lady Checkmate:
Amen.
What they are doing is clear cut sexualization of children and grooming children for rape. It should not be allowed...period.

hgunwilltravel2:
These sick bastards should be shot. Sorry for my french! I am spitting mad over attacking our children to satisfy their sick lust of the flesh.

Socio:
I don't get it;
Do the mentally ill really not have conscience that tells them it is not ok to subject children to their mental illness, to try and make it seem normal even something to emulate?
Or are they so evil they want to propagate more of their illness?

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

"Today's Laugh 6-16-18"

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Pelosi: "Bill, you and Hillary need to just...go away. Please? You're killing us!"

Voice on phone: "Sounds like somebody didn't take her TDS pill. I had mine. Haven't made a delusional anti-Trump rant all day."

Pelosi: "I did take it. That's why I finally said something coherent!"

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "PERSECUTION: School District to Remove “Clergy” from List of Trusted Adults"

Parents and clergy in Fairfax County, Virginia are furious about proposed changes to school curriculum that would eliminate clergy from a list of trusted adults.
https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/school-district-to-remove-clergy-from-list-of-trusted-adults/

Mick Williams:
The northern part of the state is highly liberal, and the disease is creeping south. Virginia is saddled with yet another democrat governor.

Lady Checkmate:
They've chosen their sin over God. Sadly, sin is popular and spreading. The south, while far from perfect, at least seemed to have more of a reverence for God, but with the influx of northerners, who brought their idolatry and rebellion with them, you see moral decay and more tolerance of what was once wholly intolerable in certain areas.

Mick Williams:
I see a lot of good Christian folks in the area. The problem, I think, is so many being misled by the fake media. They all parrot the same opinions.

Lady Checkmate:
Thankfully, there are real Christians who remain. I've met one or two "christians" that parrot alt-left, antiChrist rhetoric. I pity them, because they've been manipulated (and some probably were decent people), sadly, now they're just pawns in satan's war against morality. I pray they return to righteousness, obey God rather than men and seek God's favor rather than man's. They will stand before God, by themselves and be judged for their rebellion against Him AND at that time, the last thing on their minds will be the opinion of others who are subject to God and will be judged for their rebellion as well.

Laura Lowder #fundie disqus.com

Laura Lowder: Uh .. . No. Sometimes abortions do not "work. Often conversion --- I prefer to call it reparative therapy --- does. Look. there is no evidence of a biological cause for homosexuality. None. There might be some down the pike, but right now it's wishful thinking. Twin studies have pretty much blown the idea out of the water. So - - - Reparative therapy. If we take a broad view, all psychological therapy is reparative -- repairing something that is damaged or not working at an optimal level. Maybe you want help to quit acting out in ways that are offensive to your spirit and self-sabotaging to what you really want out of life. Would you want to be denied help with that by a blanket ban on reparative therapy? Maybe "going straight" isn't what you want, but you want better-balanced relationships with the same and the opposite sex. Don't you have a right as a human being to be able to pursue that goal? Or maybe, like a lot of straights, you find yourself involved with jerks and want to overcome that disposition to become capable of fostering healthier relationships with a more decent sort of person. Isn't that your right? If you agree with me that it is, then you really want to leave reparative therapy as one of your options.

Chip01: Ummm no. Conversation doesn't work. The head of the conversion himself quit. (Exodus International)... I also don't agree with changing the name of something so it won't invoke as horrible of a reaction. (Example: Let's change the name of "torture" to "bunnies" so that it doesn't invoke as horrible of an image... )Nice trick, but a bit obvious. Reparative therapy should be for the group that attacks gay people, and makes them feel like being gay is bad. Donna Cambell of Tx should go first The rest of your comment is from "sex in the city"... Yes, dating is hard for both gays and straight... Why is that? Because people are people. Ps : love doesn't need a "cure". Go sell you're snake oil elsewhere.
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Gay is natural. there is nothing wrong with being gay... Your Somme to show your ignorance, as hiv is in the straight community and in some countries rising higher than gay communities... Your mixing social behavior... And trying to use that as an agreement. It doesn't work...

Laura Lowder: HIV is the tip of the iceberg; gay men are vulnerable to a range of injuries and ailments the straight community doesn't think of. As more and more straight couples are being persuaded by pornography to go "creative" those diseases are showing up in more women than before. That is NOT "natural." And even if it were, behaviors are self-determined. And some behaviors are dangerous.

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Laura Lowder: There are a lot of people whose testimonies declare that reparative therapy DOES work. Maybe their goals were different from yours; maybe their therapists were more attuned --- Who knows? But your testimony does not legitimate the overwhelming effort to utterly ban reparative therapy for unwanted same-sex-attraction. Gays say, "Who in their right minds would WANT to be gay?" but then they are working hand over fist to prohibit help to get past SSA, to achieve a healthier, better-balanced orientation toward same and opposite sex in all dimensions of human relationship. You do realize that reparative therapy is applicable to someone who just wants help to quit acting out? It's not just about "getting a girlfriend," although learning to orient toward same and opposite sex in all dimensions of human relationship can be part of it.

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

(Commenting on story "Todd Starnes: A win for Masterpiece Cakeshop (Christians), but it ain’t over yet"):

When the alt-left is losing it's anti-christ campaign to promote sin and make it illegal to reject their sin, (out of desperation and hoping someone, anyone, is still open to their manipulation and lies), they try to co-opt the African-American experience (particularly slavery) attempting to draw parallels between their sins and the terrible abuse AA slaves suffered at the hands of VERY evil men and women (parallels that DO NOT exist btw) to garner sympathy for their sin in some sort of weird by proxy exchange of experience and sympathy. Note, the manipulators are usually NOT descendants of slaves nor even AA, but have the audacity to attempt to pimp the AA experience to further their own wicked agenda. It's VERY disrespectful. They overlook the fact that the two have NOTHING in common - behavior is sin, skin color is not sin. They essentially equate their sin to the color of AA's skin...smh. Also, notice that they only do that to AA, not Jewish people (May peace be in Israel. God bless Israel), Japanese people (prayers for them) nor any other people who have suffered such crimes against humanity. VERY DISRESPECTFUL.

Paul Abeyta #homophobia #fundie disqus.com

(=Two qoutes by the same person on the same thread=)

1. You're pretty late to the conservation. Of course SSM isn't discussed - because the Bible does not need to address something that doesn't exist. What I mean to say of course - is that marriage is between a man and a woman. Therefore, SSM is not even mentioned because there is no need of it. It is a myth (granted - a myth that many cultures recognize, even judicially). The sexual union between same gender couples is never a marriage according to God - not by what Scripture defines marriage as at least. It is sin.

2. Letting people know that God abhors homosexuality is loving - it's calling them to repentance and that is also loving. It would not be loving to be silent and let them perish in their sin, or even worse - to call evil, good and affirm them in their sin.
By calling her to repentance (even more now - how I hope that the Lord softens her heart since she now revealed herself as a lesbian), I am loving her as I love myself - I spend a lot of time with my own sin in view - asking that God would cleanse me from all my transgressions - knowing that I am forgiven in Christ, yet not taking pleasure in my sin (when I realize that I am committing sin).
Please note though how Vicky has hardened her heart. Only a few months ago, she was in favor of homosexual marriage. Now, after not repenting, here she is not only championing the sin of others, but lost in the same sin herself.
Lord have mercy.

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

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"Rod Serling":
The principal foe of old-school liberalism was that nebulous, capitalist entity known as The Man: government-slash-business-slash-Wall Street. Its ideology was the simple communism taught by its Soviet handlers.

Today's liberals, far less educated, have more foes than neurons: themselves, if they're white; traditional marriage; Christians; the USA and Europe; common sense and truth; race harmony; strong economy...Its profit chart is a red line zigzagging relentlessly in a downward direction.

The once closeted embarrassment of homosexuality is the new civil rights darling, lionized by TV and media as normal. Transgenderism was a secret vice; today it's forced on the kindergarten set. Debate was welcome; now it's a threat to be shut down at any cost, including violence, a tempest most dangerous for that liberal house of cards.

What went wrong? Simply put--Strong Delusion, as promised by the Book they dismiss as mere literature. Beatniks of old must see them as vulgar and mean-spirited, petty and vindictive, dull and predictable. They've even got rabid against their mentors of old, the Russians.

What awaits our leftist lemmings? Exactly what they crave; a globalist regime where fairness and virtue find no respite from the brutal enforcers of that coming conqueror, tasked with elimination of all who reject a certain three-digit number. But for those not afflicted with said Delusion, a second chance awaits--in The Twilight Zone.

Amos Moses #homophobia #pratt disqus.com

"the evidence is EMPIRICAL"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Same goes for the use of ellipses, by the way.

"Take a number of homosexuals, both sexes, put the males on one island,
put the females on another island ........give them anything they want
or desire ..... deprive them of nothing ALLOW THEM TO EXPRESS THIER
DESIRE FOR ONE ANOTHER ..... unrestricted and outside of anyones
judgement ............ but they cannot leave and they cannot have the
opposite sex ...... come back in 60 years ...... nothing will be left
........ society DIES .........."
Heterosexuals of just one sex would not last longer either.
Also, I "love" the assumption here that the ONLY way to contribute to society is reproduction...

"Heterosexuals of just one sex would not last longer either."

Heteros .... DO NOT DESIRE THEIR OWN SEX ....... the object is to GIVE THEM THEIR DESIRES ..... and most homosexuals will tell you that the opposite is ABHORRENT to them .......

"Also, I "love" the assumption here that the ONLY way to contribute to society is reproduction..."

it is not an assumption ...... if you FAIL to make new members to replace the ones that die ..... THERE IS NO SOCIETY ............

1. Homosexuals do not want their own society without the other sex, they want to be an accepted part of society and be allowed to love who they love.

2. Way to miss the point I wrote IN ALL CAPS!
Of course reproduction needs to happen for society to survive. However, it should be self-evident that this is not all there is to society. Furthermore, humanity's population is very, very, very far from the point where a few people not reproducing would risk extinction for the species.
What about a couple who are childless (possible even without a choice on that matter due to infertility), but adopt an orphan and raise the child as if it was their own? Have they not contributed to society?

"they want to be an accepted part of society and be allowed to love who
they love."

it is not love ..... it is NARCISSISM ..... love does no harm to another ..... EVERYTHING the homosexual does harms themselves, their"partners", their families, and society in general ....... what they want is irrelevant ....... what they do is relevant ......... and what they want DESTROYS society .......

Amos Moses #fundie disqus.com

(This is Amos's "evidence" that homosexuals destroy societies)


the evidence is EMPIRICAL ..... they do NOTHING to BUILD a society ....... and here is the evidence ......

Take a number of homosexuals, both sexes, put the males on one island, put the females on another island ........give them anything they want or desire ..... deprive them of nothing ..... but they cannot leave and they cannot have the opposite sex ...... come back in 60 years ...... nothing will be left ........ society DIES ..........

YOU DO NOT EVEN NEED TO ACTUALLY DO IT ....... this is a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT ...... and you KNOW .... EMPIRICALLY ........ that is it true .............. and its RESULTS are ZIP, ZERO, NADA ........ DEATH ........

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