Thinking in terms of whether Hitler was "bad" or "good" is childish. He wasn't just some evil guy trying to destroy for no reason at all, he cared about his country and had some good ideas and some terrible ones that in no way should be defended, but you still have to understand his motive and recognize the smart things he did too. He really was just trying to save his starving dying citizens and took things down a dark road. Maybe that will give you some clarity on your dad, that he sympathized with his motives not his means or something like that.
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he cared about his country and had some good ideas and some terrible ones that in no way should be defended, but you still have to understand his motive and recognize the smart things he did too. He really was just trying to save his starving dying citizens and took things down a dark road
Is pretending to care about unemployment by having his own ‘Volk’ build those roads - Autobahns - then persuade them to pay into a scheme to buy a car they would never ultimately get to be able to drive on those roads they made: the KdF-wagen a ‘smart’ move…?!
More fool them: but they rebuilt a wrecked Germany into the greater power it is now without resorting to fascism.
The only fooled bitch here is you.
I'd more argue that it's childish to argue if Hitler was evil or not because the answer is such an overwhelming yes, you have to have a warped moral compass to disagree.
Like sure, short term he helped to bring Germany from the weakened post WWI state it was in to a thriving economic powerhouse, but what he was doing wasn't sustainable even without his visions of ethnic cleansing and conquest.
But anyone who would stoke the flames of hatred like he did, engage in such reckless violence as he did, and engineer genocide like he did IS evil. People often compare Stalin's death toll to Hitler's, talking about how one is considered evil while the other person was responsible for more death. Aside from being portrayed in a slightly better initial light because he was a member of the allies, Stalin didn't really "try" to kill as many people. Sure, people died in famines and labor camps, but Stalin didn't have the methodical way of slaughtering people that the Nazis did.
If for whatever reason the famines, droughts, and bad conditions didn't kill the (higher estimates of) 20 so million people, Stalin and the CPSU wasn't going to make sure they died. Hitler and the Nazis happily eradicated 12 million+ people and would have done more if the war didn't stop them. That's the difference.
Saying he had "some bad ideas' is such a gross understatement it honestly becomes a straight falsehood. His goal of "Helping Germany" was based on eradicating various ethnic and other groups. It is built on evil.
Clicking on the quote link, there’s something that restores my faith in humanity, certainly after 4chan going down:
Everyone else in that sub thread tears this… thing a new one.
/pol/. You should go back there, OP: oh wait…!
“He really was just trying to save his starving dying citizens"
" Maybe that will give you some clarity on your dad, that he sympathized with his motives not his means or something like that.””
I refer you to Hitler's "Nero decree," March 19, 1945, ordering the destruction of all German infrastructure. Albert Speer records that Hitler said if he was to fail, Germans didn't deserve him and thus should all perish as well.
Thinking in terms of whether Hitler was "smart" or "childish" is good. He wasn't some evil guy just trying to destroy all for no reason, he cared about his country and had some good ideas and some terrible ones that in any shot would be defended, but you still have to understand his motive and recognize that he did the bad things too. He really was just trying to starve his dying citizens and took saving dark things down a road. Maybe that will give you some clarity on our day ad, that he sympathized with something like his motives or not his means.
"And some terrible ones” such as genocide.
@Sasha #222383
MAkes sense, tyrants are to their nations what abusive parents are to their children.
If some fucking guy thinks eating children will cure cancer and abolish death, he’s still a fucking psycho. His intentions might be noble, but his methods are divorced from reality and fucking horrid besides.
If only there was an “Ugh…” button in addition to “WTF?!”, this stuff no longer shocks me because in this Trumpist post-truth era, Nazism and other forms of authoritarianism are becoming more and more acceptable.
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