Really the current state religion in the USA (and really the entire Western world) of the public schools and Government is that of atheistic naturalism.
Almost all Americans have heard the phrase “separation of church and state.” However, fewer realize the phrase is not in the Constitution. Yet, it has been used as something of a club to “beat down” and eliminate Christianity from public places, including symbols (like crosses), Bible reading and prayer in public schools, and the teaching of creation in science classes.
Now, where does the phrase “separation of church and state” come from? It is not a part of the original U.S. Constitution of 1787, as most people falsely believe, or in any of its amendments. In reality, the idea of a “wall of separation” between church and state came from a private letter from President Thomas Jefferson, and it has sadly been misused to slowly, but surely, eliminate Christianity from the public sector—and replace it with an anti-God religion.
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The separation of Church and state is indeed detailed in the letter from Jefferson, but it was used describe the Establishment Clause. Which is a part of the amendments. The whole not establishing a religion. By doing illegal things like trying to have religious symbols or prayers in publicly funded organizations the people pushing for that are trying to establish a religion.
Just like how you all would freak out about people trying for Islamic prayers in school or pushing or Islamic variations of creationism, setting up anything like that is unconstitutional.
That being said, a religion of "atheistic naturalism" is like saying that you're going to take up a hobby of not collecting stamps or how your favorite color is transparent, or your favorite sound is silence. Like sure, you're a conman and know that you're saying something contradictory, but you can't establish a religion if what you are establishing has nothing religious about it.
Yet, it has been used as something of a club to “beat down” and eliminate Christianity from public places, including symbols (like crosses), Bible reading and prayer in public schools, and the teaching of creation in science classes.
OK, that’s a weird and kind of mismatched list. When and where are Christian symbols banned from public places? I guess he means in public schools, though from the way he worded that, it’s not really clear. And reading a bible and praying are certainly not banned in public schools, you just can’t have someone from the school leading such a thing, because of course it would be blatantly unconstitutional. And teaching creation in science classes would be like….oh I don’t know, teaching history in a math class. But worse than that.
KH: “Almost all have heard the phrase 'freedom of religion.' However, few realize what the phrase actually means! It means that True Christians, like me, should be allowed to get away scot free with breaking secular law or refusing to do their job if they can say 'The alternative would be going against Biblical Truth and I will not do such a thing!' It does NOT mean that False Christians and Non -Christians have permission to follow their anti-God beliefs and thereby mock the Lord!!”
Yeah, you know Jefferson and Madison based the religious language of the 1st Amendment on earlier ideas of theirs so maybe their words would be a pretty reliable guide about what the language of the amendment means? Or maybe you just trust Sam Alito and his magical ability to speak for the founding generation and how he always discovers that their opinion, despite written facts (on guns especially), is the same as his?
How hard is this role-reversal persecution roleplay making you?
If there is something like a state religion in murica, it's definitely your evangelical christofascism.
Christianity is hardly being beaten out of public spaces--it just can't be used during government funded events like schools and court trials. This is for your benefit as having a government backed religion means the government says what is and isn't allowed in churches. Imagine if the state religion is Mormonism or Roman Catholicism.
Creationism isn't science so there's no reason for it to be taught in a science class.
“However, fewer realize the phrase is not in the Constitution.”
Ken, you ever watch a cop show on TV? When they arrest you and tell you your constitutional rights? Right to remain silent? Do you know that this right comes from the 5th Amendment?
They depend on, but don’t know, that SCOTUS decisions ARE part of the Constitution.
So shut your pie hole.
The First Amendment, Ken. And Jefferson had the right idea with his separation of church and state, there would have been more than one civil war otherwise. Theocracy just leads to oppression by mortal tyrants who think God lives in their pockets. Nobody is beating down on the xtians.
And since you originally are Aussie (shudders), it’s in our Constitution too, that’s Section 116. Enjoy…http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s116.html
Y’all are the ones with the metaphorical clubs, attempting to “beat down” anything you don’t agree with in both the public and private spheres. Y’all are the ones who want to control everything that goes on in the classroom, courtroom, and bedroom. You’re so afraid your fascist asshole god will come after you for the sin of not controlling others’ behavior and allowing us to be ourselves.
the current state religion in the USA
You might want there to be one, but there's none and it would be unconstitutional, bullshitter. Also, atheists exist, they remain a minority and non-belief in religion is not religion. Lastly, many can be religious and accept reality and the discoveries of science.
…so you’d prefer it if King George III had won just over a couple of centuries ago?
So you want King Charles III to be not only head of England ’s state religion? Think very carefully before answering, Hambone.
You should remember the old saying: Be careful what you wish for. So you want a monarch who is also the head of a state religion? Welp, there goes democracy in your country: no government of the people, by the people & for the people: as enshrined in - what George Dumbya Bush referred to - a ‘Goddamn piece of paper’. What said piece of paper ensures:
And not only the Tax Exemption of not only your ‘Ark Park’, Kenny-boy…!
We don't want any religion to control our country. Not islam, not Christianity, not Judaism, hindu, Buddhism, satanism, or even an atheistic anti-god religion. That isn't hard to understand.
@Croquemitaine #180905
People like Ham don’t understand atheism. They don’t realize it’s a rejection of any god, be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Lakota, etc. They see it as a religion that specifically rejects the god of their sect of Christianity. As usual, they instead take it personally and make it about them.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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