#homophobia

All about the Gay Agenda

Alex Jones #conspiracy #homophobia youtube.com

(Transscript of video)
In the interval [?] the Pentagon just tested a gay bomb on Iraq, they considered it, they didn’t [?] consider using it, they used it on our troops, in Vietnam, they sprayed PCP on our troops - Jacob’s Ladder - ha - you think PCP - some horse tranquilizers or something? They got some stuff that’ll whack your brain permanently.
[pause]
Brain chips in the troops. They give the troops special vaccines that really [?] nanotech that auto[?]-re-engineers their brains.
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Now there is the gay bomb.
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Look it up for yourself, this is what do you think tap water is, it’s a gay bomb, baby.
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And I’m not saying people didn’t naturally have homosexual feelings, I’m not even getting into it, quite frankly, give me a break. You think I… I’m, like, shocked by it [?] [incomprehensible] bashing it because I don’t like gay people. I DON’T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER! THEY TURN THE FRICKING FROGS GAY!
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Do you understand that?
Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! [bangs paper on table]
Crap!
I’m sick of being socially engineered! It’s not funny!

Mark Jones #fundie #homophobia markjones1388.com

On April 9, 2018, The Social, a YouTube channel linked to BBC Scotland, released a video entitled Homophobia in 2018 | Time For Love. The video is a propaganda piece for the liberal view being pushed on society at the moment. That view being, that love is love and we all should be able to experience it — no matter the cost.

In our current cultural climate, we live in a day and age where people are being convinced to believe this lie that love is anything you want it to be — no restrictions, no hindrances, and no judgement. Well, at least no inbound judgement on those who live their lives according to these principles. The reality though is largely different to what you’ve been told.

The video this article focuses on is worth watching so that you know the kinds of argumentation being used against anyone who does not blindly affirm the mantra of the LGBT+ propaganda machine. As the arguments in this video are the standard ones you will find, shame-mongering, judgement, iffy looks, and hate all rear their heads here. But there is one particular line of argumentation I want to pick up on here. That being the argument used against Christians. Let’s look at this by reviewing a quote that is featured in the film:

“And a Bible basher rehashing lies about Jesus like how Poundland rip off Mini Cheddars and sell them on as Cheese Savouries. Because it seems to me that Jesus saved a lot of time when He died for all crimes that He would’ve wasted teaching small minds that love is no sin. See him, he thinks it’s faith but under all that din, it tastes like cardboard and it smells like hate.”

Notice straight away the condemnation within that statement, “and a BIBLE BASHER”, the label of Bible Basher is a negative label. One put upon Christians who stick strictly to the word of God, sticking to it in a way that raises the ire of those who don’t see it in the same light as them. But the thing that really strikes me in this argument as being the thing we need to spot easily and be able to combat whenever is needed. That being the claim that those who object to homosexuality are telling “rehashed lies about Jesus” and as a result pushing an inauthentic faith on to anyone who may be listening. See this is a key strategy for the LGBT+ agenda, it’s a strategy that seeks to convince people that Christians are getting what Jesus said wrong, and are pushing prejudice and hate rather than love which is what Jesus was apparently all about. In reality, this is a similar strategy that the devil used to persuade Adam and Eve to eat the fruit in the Garden of Eden, back in Genesis 3:1 — using the argument of “did Jesus (or God) really say that?”

We see in the next part of the quotation why this argument is used. It’s not to show fault with our worldview. It’s not even to show fault with Christianity. It all boils down to a desire for affirmation — even at the cost of one’s faith. Now hear me out here, the people pushing these types of arguments, they know that the end result of those who take liberalism to its natural conclusion is atheism. However, there are many who blindly regurgitate these arguments, who don’t know the web of lies they’ve stepped into blindly. Taking that comment into context, who’s the authority here? It’s self, “and to me, it seems”, this is the phrase that holds this video together. It’s all about me! Me, myself, and I.

Ultimately the LGBT+ agenda is based on a selfishness that seeks to persuade the masses of love, niceness, and selflessness. Something that isn’t really the case, and is merely a faulty portrayal of the false reality those pushing this agenda want you to blindly believe.

All of this, and the video leads me to ask a question of us, one that I will answer here from my view, but one I would like you to think through and answer as well — that question being is it really homophobic to object to homosexuality?

Is It Really Homophobic to Object to Homosexuality?

To answer this question we need to understand two things, the first being what the world tells us homophobia is. And secondly, what homophobia really is — because they’re actually very different.

According to Websters Dictionary, homophobia is the irrational fear of homosexuality. The dictionary does include now the aversion to and/or the discrimination of homosexuals as part of the definition. However, this seems to be an updated definition of the term, as the notion of the aversion to is relatively new in terms of phobias.

Simply put, homosexuality is the irrational fear of homosexuals and/or homosexuality. This contrasts greatly with the variation of the definition, which simply means anyone who disagrees with homosexuality.

This definition of the term homophobe from Urban Dictionary really makes this note of mine very clear:

“Someone who repeatedly whines that homosexuals endanger family values and the sanctity of marriage until outed as a closet case, desperately afraid of the gay person looking back in the mirror.”

Notice how within that statement, there is an element of judgement. A line of thinking that says that no one can judge someone who practices homosexuality without making them the enemy.

So, what’s the answer to this question? Is it really homophobic to object to homosexuality?

The answer to this question is a resounding NO! See, God has defined homosexuality in His word as being sinful, and like with any other sin, it would be like saying we can’t question someone who commits murder, or someone who steals, or someone who commits adultery. And I could continue. Essentially by saying that someone is homophobic for objecting to homosexuality, it means that no sin on the planet should be questioned due to the precedent it sets.

So yes, we can question homosexuality, we can ask honest and open questions about it. We should not be deterred by this liberal agenda seeking to judge anyone who disagrees with them, while crying out for tolerance.

In future posts, I will aim to unpack this subject of homosexuality and the Bible further. As well as many other subjects.

InebriatedIrish #homophobia incels.is

I dislike homosexuals for going against nature’s ways. Homosexuals would die off without spreading their genes because they wouldn’t mate. Now, we let homosexuals run around in drag on our streets. I don’t personally hate homosexuals, but they’re abominations, like me.

Adam Ford #fundie #pratt #homophobia adam4d.com

Jesus, Paul and the theological liberal

Jesus: And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the Kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Hell, where the worm never dies and the fire never quenches. (Matthew 9:47)

Strawman: Whoawhoawhoa Jesus, WHOAAA! Don't you know what that sounds like to people ?

(=Addressing the audience=)

Strawman: Alright guys, so check it out. I know that sounded super bad, but Jesus didn't REALLY mean what it seemed like he obviously meant with all that ugly sin and hell and fire and stuff. There's metaphors, smiles and just WAIT until you here about this one garbage dump...

Next panel.

Paul: Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, - (1 Corinthians 6:9)

Strawman: PAUL! Wait man! Did you really have to include THAT one ?

(=Addressing the audience=)

Strawman: Alright guys, wow, yeah that def sounded waay not OK. I know it sounds like Paul was talking about men who practiced homosexuality when he said "Men who practiced homosexuality" but there are different ways of looking at it, lemme just explain it to you okay ?

Next panel.

Jesus: Just as Jonah spent three days and nights in the belly of a fish, so will the Son of Man spend three days and nights in the heart of- (Matthew 12:40)

Strawman: (bursts out laughing) JESUS! So embarrassing!!! Please just stop now and let me explain this to people.

(=Addressing the audience=)

Strawman: I know Jesus just validated as literal one of the craziest sounding stories of the Old Testament but listen: he didn't mean it LITERALLY, you know ? Jesus would never say something that contradicts science - he's just referring to this story as, like, a Jewish legend or something. Everyone knows there's no way a dude could live inside a huge fish for three days! Even God can't make that happen.

Next panel.

Paul: But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (1 Galations 8:9)

Strawman: PAUL! BRO! Harsh sounding for reals.

(=Addressing the audience=)

Strawmen: Wow Paul can be an animated fellow huh! I know that sounded pretty bad but listen, it's not as it seems: God's love is big enough to cover ALL people and by what I mean by that is whatever you or o want to be true about God and how he deals with people is true. Okay :)

Next panel.

Jesus: Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. (Luke 9:26)

Strawman: JESUS! Ugh, that sounds so bad!!!

(=Attempts to address the audience=)

Strawman: Alright look, Jesus didn't really mean that he just... (Pauses before glancing to the side) Hey you didn't really mean that, right ?

Houseman #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

(=A respone to a homosexual interpretation of the centurion and his servant=)

he account takes all the things stated by the comments into account, but all forget one thing..Jesus! Jesus knew what he was doing, not snookered by the elders or the centurion. He knew the Mosaic law about homosexuality he knew the authority behind it, his Father. so if what is being said he healed a gay man, this is incorrect. In each example during his 3 and a half year ministry Jesus never once was in accomplice in ones sins but told never to do it again. forgave them and directed them toward another path. Never to keep something sinful going. Jesus knew the heart of the centurion and if what is being said, Jesus would not have healed the 'pais', it would have been against everything he stood for, even the love his own Father is. Ones want love to continue to cover all sins, even while we keep doing them, but the time will come when God will not cover us with mercy and love but remove evil, wickedness and sin from this earth. That is love, not keep picking us up, but truly teaching us how to walk without falling. Not feeding us crumbs, but teaching us how to feed ourselves fully. This is true love!

Peter LaBarbera #fundie #homophobia rightwingwatch.org

Peter LaBarbera Is Upset ‘Love, Simon’ Did Not Mention The ‘Judgment Of God’ On Gay People

Anti-LGBTQ activist Peter LaBarbera was, unsurprisingly, not a fan of the new gay teenage romance film “Love, Simon,” complaining to Religious Right radio host Janet Mefferd on Tuesday that the film fails to promote a “religious message” and does not warn audiences that gay people face a life of physical and mental illness “and of course the judgment of God.”

LaBarbera joined Mefferd on Tuesday to weigh in on the release of “Love, Simon,” which is a romantic comedy film that features a 17-year-old boy who reveals his sexual orientation to his friends and family and falls in love with a classmate. LaBarbera, who has long been livid about the entertainment industry advancing LGBTQ causes, shared with Mefferd what he saw to be “three myths” promoted in the film.

“Number one is that being homosexual—quote-unquote ‘gay’—is basically who you are, intrinsically who you are. You know, if that line just happens to be gay. That’s number one. Number two, that there’s a total mutual equivalence between homosexual romances and the gay lifestyle and normal, heterosexual living, so it’s presented as totally equal. Number three, that parental love, the way they love their son after he comes out and declares his homosexuality or they find out, the parents, is they just basically express regret they didn’t know earlier,” he said. “There’s no sorrow. There’s no religious message at all in the movie, Janet, and there’s nothing that says any disapproval.”

LaBarbera said he believed the movie was “like a Disney gay movie” that was made for teenagers before complaining that “there’s no aftermath after this boy finds his quote-unquote ‘gay’ romance.”

“We’re never going to hear later about the diseases associated with homosexuality that he likely would get, mental illness, and of course the judgment of God,” LaBarbera said.

Mefferd asked LaBarbera to expand on what he meant when he referred to mental illness, to which LaBarbera responded by promoting the book “The Health Hazards of Homosexuality,” published by the anti-gay group MassResistence. He claimed that conditions like HIV are now “gay male diseases,” claiming that this is the case “because homosexual behavior is a perversion like God says it is, it is deviant, it is not normal.”

LaBarbera also said he was upset that “Love, Simon” posed the question of why heterosexual people don’t have to come out as “straight” to their friends and family. He answered the question by saying it was “because that’s the way God designed it.”

“It’s so basic and yet Hollywood is doing everything it can now. We’re going to see more and more movies like this. And Janet, this is the first major teen homosexual romance film to be a big box-office hit. And so this is, again, Hollywood is trying to mainstream sexual sin,” LaBarbera said.

Jon Davis #fundie #homophobia youtube.com

(=Progressive vs Homophobic Christian=)

Jon Davis: Still missed it!! Jesus addressed this DIRECTLY. Right here!
Matthew 19:4-5
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’
One only need to reference THE DESIGN to understand THE PERVERSION.

blind poet38: Not necessarily true. Translated into English, the Bible condemns homosexuality. But looking at the original text, the Hebrew word that is used is very vague. And Jesus never said that gay people couldn't get married, but it was just God's design that they don't get married.

Jon Davis: "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable" is not a word, it is a description to eliminate the confusion.
Jesus didn't need to say that "gay people can't get married", he referenced the design and that settled it. One only need to reference THE DESIGN to understand THE PERVERSION.
Penis is designed for vagina. *blush* Vagina is for penis. *blush* Anus is for pooping. *pffrrt*
It's not homophobia. It's basic biology.

blind poet38: If it is basic biology, how is it that scientists have found over 1500 animal species that practice homosexual acts. You are just assuming homosexuality is a sin. But the Bible really does not say that. And I am a Christian by the way.

Jon Davis: It is basic biology because that is how we procreate, and to do things differently promotes bad health (bleeding butts anyone?) and is not conducive to humankind's continuity.
Animals do all kinds of disgusting things. Dogs eat poop. Cats pee on clothes. Are you just an animal? No. Mankind was made in God's image.
As for everything else you just said ("You are just assuming homosexuality is a sin" etc) you're obviously trolling. I just quoted the text that called it "detestable". And while neither Old nor New Testaments use the term "homosexual" (a term that modern English coined) they both describe the sexual act and describe it with disgust and contempt.

blind poet38: You can think I am trolling if you want to, but you have to understand that the original Hebrew uses terminology that is not as clear-cut as people think it is when it deals with condemning homosexuality.

Jon Davis: Read the OP. Matthew 19:4-5 has no dependency upon Leviticus 18:22; indeed it goes the other way around. You're barking at the wrong argument. I myself was trolled by actually responding to it.

blind poet38: Sorry dude, I don't get your point. All I am saying is that in the original Hebrew, the word that is used is not as clear-cut as people think it is to condemn homosexuality.

Jon Davis: Now you're spamming. Stop repeating yourself. Even if it was true, it's irrelevant, and I already explained why. Now go read Romans 1:18-32 (originated as Greek, not Hebrew), study it with an exhaustive study Bible which provides insight on the original language, and come back when you've studied more than the ridiculous false "truths" and FUD you've found on the Internet.

blind poet38: You can be dismissive all you want, and that is fine. But why is it irrelevant? We are talking about homosexuality and the Bible aren't we?

blind poet38: It is obvious you have no answers to anything. I have already done the research.

AskariStudios: But God Said that all sex outside of Marriage is wrong. Since Marriage is in between only a man and a women. this makes homosexuality wrong. in no way shap or form has marriage ben said to take place between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. ONLY a MAN and a Woman.this has been stated numerous times in the bible. Not only this but in Levitcus, it is clear stated that homosexuality is an abomination. clear cut. in Jude, it its written that Sodom and Gomorrah gave themselves up to sexual perversion (homosexuality) and where thus made an example of. So with Just Common Logic, and the fact that through multiple translations, the same wording has shown up., its clear that the bible is against homosexuality.

blind poet38: The Bible never says that sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Jon Davis: "Fornication" is quite elaborately spoken against. That you would say such a thing speaks volumes about modern society being so casually hedonistic; sex outside of marriage was universally taboo and expected to be everyone's struggle, it didn't need to be spelled out in detail like it spelled out homosexuality, it was simply referred to as "fornication".
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Fornication/
http://www.openbible.info/topics/fornication
http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-arriage.html

AskariStudios: 1 Cor 7 states : "Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: t“It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband." Its clear that Paul(I do believe he wrote this) implies that Sex before marriage is sexual immorality and that do to this temptation, a man should marry.
want more proof? look up : (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7) and Hebrews 13:4.

blind poet38: The only sexual sins that are mentioned in the Bible are adultery, incest and sex with animals. Fornication means "sexual sin." Which sins? Adultery, incest and sex with animals. Premarital sex is not mentioned as a sin.

Jon Davis: "Fornication" does not mean "sexual sins in general". It means "extramarital sex". If you want to discuss Greek or Hebrew, say so, but you didn't. Look up the word and stop speaking assertions about our English words when you don't even know your own English language.

blind poet38: Fornication does not mean "extramarital sex." That is what someone told you it means. Fornication means "sexual sin." Learn the facts.

Jon Davis: There's a fine line between idiocy and trolling. That line is knowledgable intent. I'm not sure what you're doing in your case. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fornication

blind poet38: OK Jon, you are right. Translated into English, premarital sex is a sin, despite the fact that Solomon and David and Samson, etc etc etc all did it and were never punished for it in the Bible. But the question is in the NT,, what does porneia mean? That is not the Greek word for adultery or any specific sexual sin. It generally means any kind of sexual immorality. And what is sexual immorality in the Bible? Adultery and incest and sex with animals.

Jon Davis: what do you mean "they weren't punished for it"? OT figures who engaged in fornication took a pounding for it. Most of their stories are used as case lessons for the hell people go through when they do it.
To answer your question: Fundamentally, in the Bible there are only two types of sex: sex within marriage (one man and one woman) and sexual immorality, porneia. Read the OP in this thread if you don't understand.

JD Greear #fundie #homophobia charismanews.com

Pastor: Preaching Against Homosexuality Akin to Preaching Against Slavery

Baptist pastor said at the denominations summit earlier this week.

The setting was the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty summit. The topic: preaching about homosexuality in the gay rights era.

Summit Church’s Pastor J.D. Greear certainly got the audience's attention when he started making comparisons between preaching against homosexuality in modern days to preaching against slavery in the 1800s.

With the hashtag #erlcsummit, RNS’s Sarah Pulliam Bailey quoted Greear on Twitter as saying, “Preaching against homosexuality is about as popular as preaching against slavery in South Carolina in the 1800s.”

Another tweeter, Ruth Graham (@publicroad) wrote, “@jdegreear compares preaching against homosexuality today to preaching against slavery in South Carolina in 1861."

So who is this brave pastor? Greear became the pastor of a church called Homestead Heights Baptist Church in 2002. According to his bio, he led a 40-year-old, plateaued church of 300 to re-launch itself with a new name and a new vision to reach its community and world with the gospel. Now, over 8,000 worshippers gather weekly, making The Summit Church one of Outreach magazine’s “top 25 fastest-growing churches in America” for several years running.

Get IT J #fundie #homophobia youtube.com

(=Comment on "Pastor JD Greear equates preaching against homosexuality with preaching against slavery"=)

Ok, I do not like this comparison. Slavery wasn't a choice but homosexuality is. The atrocities that slavery put against a group of people and the aftershocks are astounding. Has anyone been killed for speaking against homosexuality??

Martin #fundie #homophobia premier.org.uk

No, Campolo is not an Evangelical, he doesn't consider the Bible is the infallible word of God, nor is Steve Chalke.

Big deal, he's a sociologist. Sociology is sub Christian.

How can the fact that there are babies born now to single parent families be relevant to the number of homosexuals now?

Bad upbringing can be a cause of adult behaviour. Parents know this and good parents make the effort to bring children up properly.

To say that homosexual men don't change is a lie. Indeed Scripture tells us that the change:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
(I Corinthians 6:9-11 [ESV]) My emphasis

And no, the Bible doesn't say immediately before the statement that being a homosexual is an abomination to God that touching the skin of a dead pig is an abomination. It comes toward the end of a list of sexual acts that are forbidden. Campolo is lying.

Clearly Campolo is ignoring the fact the the Old Testament has different categories of laws, the moral code which always applies and the ceremonial code that ceased with creation of the Church.

What he describes as a 'gay' boy being bullied sounds like the sort of bullying those experience who are weak and bad at sports, and we only have his word that Roger was 'gay'. And why, if he were, should that make any difference? There are plenty of homosexuals around who appear to be good at sports, I suspect this story is made up.

He gives us the lie that Jesus says nothing about homosexuality, the whole Bible is God's word and Jesus is God, so those passages in Leviticus, Romans and 1 Corinthians are all Jesus' words.

And then he tells us that if we aren't selling all we have and giving to the poor we aren't doing what Jesus commanded, that is ignoring the context. Jesus gave that command to one person only for a specific reason, it wasn't a command to all.

His concept of marriage is flawed. He thinks it is about mutual improvement, yet at the heart of it is the sexual union, something that two persons of the same gender can never have.

Compassion seeks to save the sinner from their sin, treating the homosexual as if they are righteous is not compassion, it is hatred.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

One man, named Marco, approached me on the bus while I was in West Hollywood for surgery in 2009. Marco was friendly and a nice person, but as we conversed, he brought up the topic of homosexuality. He said that he had lived in San Francisco for 12 years. He said that he didn't have a problem with homosexuality. I replied, “Well I do.” An African American woman sitting across the bus isle gave me a dirty look, like, how dare you! Marco was testing me, to see how I felt about homosexuality. I have had this happen to me numerous times by gays, who test people to see where they stand on the issue. It's important that we as God's children (that is, as Bible-believing, born-again, blood cleansed, Christ-honoring, Christians) don't allow homosexuals to force us into their sick and perverted mindset.

By telling Marco that I disapproved of homosexuality, that spoke volumes concerning where I stood morally on the matter. He chose quickly to change the topic, which is what I wanted. Learn to tell gays that you are NOT ok with it. The more that you stand up for the truth, the less problems you will have with them. If you fail to address the issue right away, you may have a homosexual trying to become closer to you, likely with sex on their agenda. Gays frequently test people to see where they stand, because they're looking for like-minded perverts. They may mistake your kindness as weakness or God forbid, queerality (that a new word I just invented). Truly, homosexuals are queer as can be, which is an abomination in God's eyes. An abomination is a sin coupled with disgust. It's something that really upsets the Lord and provokes His anger.

Please realize that homosexuals, cross-dressers and transvestites all come from the same rotten fruit bowl. They're sick spiritually. Television has been portraying gays as two handsome young men with charming personalities sharing a public kiss. I agree with comedian George Carlin who said, “I'll never understand how any man can look at another man's hairy a*s and say, 'I think I'm in love.'” Homosexuals are weirdoes, perverts and sick-minded people. The most unsettling thing is the large number of homosexuals and lesbians that are now in high positions of government, judges and law enforcement. Genesis 19 is right around the corner! From the youngest to the oldest, Sodom's homosexuals forcefully laid siege against Lot's home, trying to break the door down to sodomize the Christians. If it happened then, it can happen again, and will, it's just a matter of time.

Jim Kirkwood #fundie #homophobia premier.org.uk

This man should make his mind up. Does he want to contend for the Gospel of Jesus Christ or not. He must take a stand against the LGBT Nazi agenda and be seen doing it. We are not, as Christians, called to be invisible and silent. The Bible is clear on the subject of Homosexual behaviour, despite the persistent denials of the homosexuals and their sympathisers on this forum. Scripture has been quoted over and over again and they reject it because they love their sin and have no intention of being born again. Homosexual practice is an abomination to God. End of debate!

Arthur Miskelly #fundie #homophobia premier.org.uk

petej: The reason I am confused is that several people have referred to the lesbian family member as your daughter (inc me) and you haven’t corrected them.
So my question, that you keep not answering, is if you believe she is gay because of “nurture” then why do you blame her for it and not her parents?

Arthur Miskelly: Aha, the penny has dropped. Why should I correct them? Her relationship to me is immaterial. The fact is I love her, and we have always enjoyed a special platonic relationship. Still do. Who said that I don’t blame her parents (mother) certainly wasn’t me? Shouldn’t jump to conclusions, should we? Or make judgments before we know the facts. There is a lesson to be learned here.

petej: I’m not saying that you should have corrected them. I’m saying that it confused me when they assumed that she was your daughter.
You haven’t blamed her mother. You have continually blamed her. My question is that if you believe that she is gay because of the way she was raised then shouldn’t you be blaming her parents and not her?
I’m not making judgements. Im asking you questions about your opinions. I’ve asked you several times now. You don’t seem to be able to answer.

Arthur Miskelly: No matter what I answer Pete you will twist it to point score. That is not the reason I entered this discussion. I entered it to minister to souls who are headed to hell because of the devil’s lie about homosexuality. Genises to Revelation tells me homosexuality is an abomination. I can’t change that and no amount of argument will change that fact. I long for her conversion, and surprisingly, I long for yours. I do not wish to see anyone in hell’s torment for eternity. The bible says it, I believe it, end of story. I was under no obligation to correct anyone on their wrong assumptions. I pray you will be blessed and have the scales removed from your eyes.

petej: Im not interested in scoring points and if you think that about me then you have woefully misunderstood me. I am very concerned about the amount of damage ill thought through hostility towards gay people is causing families.
If you genuinely believe that her upbringing caused her to be gay then I think the blame is with her parents not her. Likewise if this church believes that parents cause homosexuality then the parents should be excluded, not their children or their grandchildren.
I dont know you and I dont know your lesbian family member. I do think it would be impossible that you telling her she is going to hell because she is gay will not have disrupted your relationship with her. Likewise my heart goes out to those families who have been damaged by this ruling.
I have read the whole bible through many times and I do not see anywhere where it mentions gay people. There are a couple of verses where same sex sex is condemned (and no doubt we would disagree on the interpretation there). I dont think the point of the bible is to condemn people for personal characteristics or things about them they have no power to change. I think it is primarily about salvation for all people. Sin is largely a matter for chosen behaviours. It seems to me that your family member didnt choose to be gay (even by your own account) and yet you condemn her for it. It also seems to me that the bible calls us to love our enemies and love in the bible means putting other people first, even if we disagree with them.
When I asked how your love for this lady was manifest, your answer was that you were praying for her to become straight. I think a great sin of the modern church is that it is now teaching that love is no more than prayers for salvation or "speaking the truth in love". That is simply not what Jesus taught. It is not what the apostles taught either. It is a teaching that is anti Christian and is damaging our society in very obvious ways.

Arthur Miskelly: The word “couple” is a collective noun, therefore singular and should be preceded by the singular pronoun “is” not the plural “are”. Having got the grammar lesson out of the road, I never told her that her sexuality would send her to hell. I told her that she needed to repent of it. The only sin which sends people to hell is the rejection of Christ’s sacrifice. I really would suggest that you read the posts more carefully, or else you may make a fool of yourself.

petej: You’ve repeatedly implied, if not said outright, that all gay people are going to hell. Orientation is not something someone can repent from because she has no more power to become attracted to men than you do to change the colour of your hair. Blaming her for something that isn’t her fault and that she has no power to change is unfair and it is almost certainly damaging her relationship with you and with God. If you tell people that they have to become straight before they can have a relationship with God then, if they believe you, they won’t have a relationship with God if they are unable to make themselves straight. I’d also like to encourage you to be a bit more civil and respectful to me. I haven’t used any insults towards you so it would be good if you could keep yours to a minimum.

Arthur Miskelly: You poor sensitive snowflake You obviously cannot cope with being in error. In more ways than one.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia #kinkshaming jesus-is-savior.com

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The Bible calls the sin of homosexuality “sodomy,” associating this awful sin with the wicked city of Sodom. God utterly destroyed Sodom because of their wickedness. Even today, 4,000 years later, the remains of Sodom can be clearly seen by the Dead Sea in Israel. City Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Found Located Beneath Sea of Pure Sulfur. Yet, as wicked as Sodom was it cannot compare to SIN CITY Las Vegas in Nevada.

Any honest person would have to admit that homosexuality has become mainstream along with every other sexual sin in American society. This phenomena by itself exposes the destructive nature of homosexuality, since it is always associated with the total breakdown of society.

It was reported in USA TODAY that teens and cellphone nudity has become an epidemic problem nationwide. One girl commit suicide after nude photos of herself (meant only for her boyfriend) ended up on the internet and circulated around the school. Bullies were harassing her and she commit suicide. No teenager should have a cellphone...

“If I were to go through the cell phones in this building right now of 1,500 students, I would venture to say that half to two-thirds have indecent photos, either of themselves or somebody else in school,” said Jim Brown, school resource officer at Glen Este High School. Turpin High School Principal Peggy Johnson thinks that the results would be similar - about 50-50 - in her building.

Our nation is going to Hell. Contrary to the agendacized propaganda that Christians are causing gays to commit suicide, it’s the wickedness of American culture overall that is bringing our nation to ruin.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

Today's Apostate Churches are Filled with Modernists!

Photo to Right: A homosexual painting by artist, Becki Jayne

The artwork to the right is also found on JesusInLove.org (Ms. Kittredge website). The painting was designed to identify a rejected Christ with rejected homosexuals. The message is evil, unbiblical, and blasphemous to God Almighty! This is another master deception by Satan to dupe naive people into believing that homosexuals are equal to Jesus in their sufferings.

Jesus was persecuted because He preached the TRUTH... John 8:40, "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham." Jesus was rejected by most people because He spoke the Truth!

Homosexuals on the other hand, are not accepted because homosexuality is unhealthy, unnatural, uncivilized, and ungodly!!! We're talking apples and oranges here folks. How dare Becki Jayne, Kittredge Cherry, and other homosexuals, pervert the meaning of the cross of Christ, by alleging that their rejection is no different than what Jesus endured. Homosexuality MUST be rejected because it goes hand-in-hand with apostasy, AIDS, the deterioration of society, and the judgment of God.

Marsha Stevens is a professed Christian, who operates the ministry BALM (Born Again Lesbian Music). Sadly, Bill Gaither has befriended her, singing in concert with her, and has remained silent about the sin of homosexuality. Apostasy has crept into so many churches that today that a Bible-believing Christian is criticized for speaking out against sin. Tragically, the average professed "Christian" today is more upset with people like me (who preach against sin), than they are with the rockers, lesbians, abortionists, strippers, and shysters who deceitfully CLAIM to be "Christian."

Our churches are filled with modernists who aren't what they appear to be, "...having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." That "power" is the Gospel (Romans 1:16). Modernists are everywhere today! They talk about the Bible, spiritual concepts, Biblical teachings, and the principles Jesus taught; BUT, they are unsaved, unregenerated, unrepentant, and on their way to Hell without Jesus Christ. They will certainly die in their sins if they continue on their present path of destruction.

I find the artwork above very offensive and blasphemous. Jesus was not a "faggot." The message being implied by the above picture is that any criticisms or rejection of homosexuality is equal to Christ-rejection. Talk about REVERSE-PSYCHOLOGY! Homosexuality is DIAMETRICALLY opposed to everything the Word of God teaches! The Bible is incontrovertible concerning the sinfulness of homosexuality. Any child knows that it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. God called homosexuals "sodomites" in the Old Testament (King James Bible), linking their wicked sin with the destruction which fell upon Sodom and Gomorrah.

Is it any wonder why the apostate New International Version NIV translators completely removed the word "sodomite" from the Bible? To no surprise, the same parent company which publishes the NIV also publishes The Joy of Gay Sex. A homosexual recently wrote me, alleging that Ezekiel 16:49-50 indicates that Sodom wasn't destroyed mainly for homosexuality. Argue as they may, the hideous sin which is spotlighted in Genesis 19:4-11 is homosexuality. By the way, these same Scriptures in Genesis reveal the violence, lawlessness, cold-heartedness, and vile affections which become more evident in a homosexualized society. The United States is headed for some dark times as homosexuality saturates our society and churches.

Those Who Seek to Legitimize and Justify Homosexuality are LIARS!

Photo to Left: A popular gay painting of Judas showing homosexual affection to Christ. This is sick!

Anyone who pretends that Jesus was a homosexual is a deceiver! Judas did not kiss Jesus with homosexual affection. Jesus and John were not gay lovers! Kittredge Cherry's new book, Jesus In Love, presents Jesus and John as gay lovers. Kittredge Cherry is unjust towards the Savior. She admits that she CAN'T prove Jesus was homosexual, but she writes a fictitious novel attacking Him nevertheless.

She has assassinated Jesus' character! Woe unto those who attack the Lord, and take His name in vain! To say that Christ was a homosexual is the same as calling Him a sinner, which is a denial of His deity. Jesus hated iniquity (Hebrews 1:9). The Word of God states that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION (i.e., hate coupled with disgust) to God. Homosexuality is utterly disgusting.

itisamuh #fundie #homophobia mmo-champion.com

The only reason marriage gives financial benefits is because it's working under the assumption that they're preparing to raise a family. A gay couple can't have kids, and shouldn't be allowed to adopt, so that's out. Those financial benefits are also the only reason, aside from preparing a family, to get married in the first place. So if they were doing that, that's pretty much screwing over all single people. You'd have people, who aren't gay or in a relationship at all, just friends, getting married for those legal benefits. That's not right. It's taking something that's supposed to be meaningful and abusing it for personal gain. Oh, and because homosexuality is an unnatural taboo, and taboos shouldn't be supported or encouraged legally or socially. Standards in general seem to be losing their meaning in today's society.


what?
1) that's not the only reason, if you think it is, i'd like to see some backup. you make the claim, the burden of proof lies on you.
2) why shouldn't gays be allowed to adopt again?
3) straight people DO do that all the time, hell i knew people that would get married just so they could move off-base when they were in the military.
4) how is homosexuality unnatural again?
5) how is it a universal taboo? you're aware that taboos are a culturally distinctive thing, right? every culture has a different s


These threads always seem to get me in trouble, or at least annoyed, so this will probably be my last post. If you respond, I won't see it.

1. Don't spout off the burden of proof crap. I can turn that around and say prove that it's not the only reason. I can tell just by your lingo that you're probably an atheist.

2. They shouldn't be allowed to adopt because it's raising a kid in an improper environment by default. They'll be getting exposed to a lack of standards from the start. Sure, they may be nice people and mean well, but the child won't be receiving the full perspective. Granted, that often happens anyway, but that can't always be controlled. Adoption can be controlled, however. Since you like using scientific lingo, maybe you should check out the snowball effect. That's exactly what will happen if this kind of stuff gets encouraged and accepted more and more.

3. Yes, they do. It's unfortunate, but again, it's not always avoidable. That doesn't mean that we should promote something that's an exploitation literally every single time. Because, until you prove to me what other legitimate reasons there can be for a gay couple getting married, I'm standing by that statement.

4. Look around you. Whether you're religious or not, just look. Basically the entire world shows it. Males and females mate to continue their respective species. They pal around with their own gender, if they pal around at all, but when it comes to mating, they find the other. Sure, there are the occasional defects, but whether it's God's plan or nature's design, males and females were meant to mate. If everyone turned gay, there's the end of our species. That alone should be enough to prove it's wrong. Obviously not everyone will turn gay, but that doesn't mean it should be encouraged as okay. Sometimes standards should be upheld, even if some people don't like them. Not everything should be okay, and the line of what is and isn't shouldn't be so blurred. This has nothing to do with religion, just general principle and common sense. If people are gay regardless of it being unnatural, that's their call. People can be attracted to kids or their own siblings if they want to as well. That doesn't mean it should be supported.

5. In my society, up until this ridiculous social liberal movement, it was a taboo. It still is, in a lot of people's minds, including mine. I really don't care if other cultures agree, the one I live in is the only one that's relevant to me. Besides, as stated above, I'm basing my views off of obvious nature and common sense, not what society tells me is okay.

This is what baffles me about the liberal mentality. Not necessarily you, cause obviously I don't know you, in fact I don't even know that you're liberal, but their general attitude as a whole. They preach that nobody should be judged negatively for their beliefs, or preferences, or values, or anything else. No matter what. And on paper that's a good ideal, but then they turn around and negatively judge anyone who believes in upholding traditional standards. I'm sorry, if you're offended by my beliefs, agree to disagree I guess, but I will never change my mind on this. The fact that, if everyone was gay, the species would die out in a generation, is enough for me to decide that it's wrong. The fact that basically every species on the planet with male and female counterparts thrives on male and female mating is enough for me to decide that that's the way it's supposed to be, whether designed by nature or by God, whatever. It's got nothing to do with religion, at all. Drugs don't hurt anyone except the person using them, and that's their choice, but it's still illegal because common sense says it's wrong. Same thing here. But no, we're too worried about offending someone to have a right and wrong, beyond discouraging murder.

NicholasPOGM3 #fundie #homophobia #conspiracy youtube.com

Pope: Global Warming is SIN - Homosexuality is NOT

The Pope is once again showing where his loyalty lies. He is now declaring global warming is a sin and the only way to atone is to ignore what Jesus says to do in the Scriptures when it comes to forgiveness and instead do as the Pope commands to do.

On top of that, while he seems to have no issue in calling global warming a sin, he does have an issue calling homosexuality a sin. But then, that is to be expected by the leader of the largest known homosexual organization known to man.

Pope says Global Warming a Sin
http://www.breitbart.com/national-sec...

98% of Vatican Priests are Homosexual!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/201...

More info on Pope Francis’ Loyalty
http://www.remnantofgod.org/francis.htm

'Global Warming' Scientifically Debunked:
http://www.remnantofgod.org/climatech...

Vatican's admission of Paganism
http://www.remnantofgod.org/beastword...

Global warming to bring Global Government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hmib...

Pope Francis, Climate change and Sunday Laws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIssU...

The Mark of the Beast
http://www.remnantofgod.org/mark.htm

Climate Change will lead to the MARK
http://www.remnantofgod.org/climatech...

SDRAmerica #fundie #homophobia youtube.com

Is it not love, to share the truth on homosexulity? I know not why you are fighting against the truth so hard, but the Lord knows. But I want you to know, God wants all homosexuals to realize they have a sin problem like EVERY other person in this planet. Sin is sin.
If anything Alia, TODAYS view point on homosexuality is wrong. The Media pumps into everyones brains they cannot help it, yet their are testimonies disproving them quite clearly. The Scriptures however, are correct.

NicholasPOGM1 & Truth4U2C #fundie #homophobia youtube.com

(=Regarding the Orlando Massacre=)

This is the true definition of the word HATE! Why so many people think Christians, who only share love and truth are hateful makes no sense at all. When people persecute, torture and even kill you, THAT'S HOW ONE DEFINES HATE!

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

(=Later comment=)

truth4U2C: I must ask that you consider that some bullhorn guys do really love the homosexual when they yell at them, as we know the homosexual agenda quickly hardens the hearts of those in it, a reminder of their position in light of God's holiness hopefully will be used by God to wake up the sinner.?

Armran Kaymackian #fundie #homophobia religionnews.com

These fourteen points laid out in this statement are so incredibly basic. There is absolutely nothing controversial or sensational about it. These are fundamental biblical teachings that Christians in every part of the globe have held to for literally thousands of years. There is not one bible believing regenerated Christian who disagrees with these statements. They are not in anyway hateful or bigoted. The fact that there is so much backlash is evidence of just how far Christians have been swayed from Gods word. This statement is full of clear lines and redemption for sinners. For example adultery is a sin according to Gods word let's say in twenty years there is an enormous movement that declares not only is it not a sin but God himself affirms it, that doesn't change the fact that it is a sin it is destructive and contrary to what God wants for us. Furthermore if I had a brother who was cheating his wife I would tell him it's sinful not because I hate him but because I love him. True followers of Jesus don't hate sinners we love them enough to tell them the truth of what God clearly says no matter how unpopular that becomes and we will continue to do so. Let me say for all my Christian brothers and sisters we love homosexuals and denounce hatred of all sorts, give your heart to Jesus turn away from sin confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and you will be saved, and you will be changed forever in this life and the life to come God bless you and keep you.

(=Pro gay Christian reply deleted=)

Dear Chris, if you in fact believe that God created men and women to be homosexuals rather the heterosexuals, and if you've searched the scriptures prayerfully and find that God is indeed affirming same sex marriage that is your decision to make according to how you understand it further more I don't believe that factual evidence will be enough to change your mind and more importantly your heart I am not interested in convincing you otherwise. I leave that between you and God. I believe that you are actually fully aware of the truth of Gods word and I believe that your merely suppressing the truth because it doesn't coincide with the homosexual life style you've chosen to live in direct defiance and rebellion to God. I pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you in all truth according to Gods Holy Word. May he richly bless you and chasten you as a Father chastened his son he knows your deepest thoughts and feelings and he loves you and longs for a broken and contrite heart God bless you.

Amos Moses #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

(commenting on story "Concerns Raised over Video Featuring 10-Year old 'Desmond the Drag Kid': 'I Wanted to Do Drag...When I Was Two"):

Amos Moses:
the pedophilia is getting more organized ..... more overt .... more in your face every day ..... and it is all because of the HOMOMIRAGE decision ......... when you remove restraint on any depravity .... it releases ALL DEPRAVITY to forge ahead ..... and they are doing so with gusto ..... and there is no fear of God before their eyes .... and they have given up any knowledge of anything as a result ..... this is child abuse and it is grooming to be abused ..... these "parents" will have much to answer for .......

HarmNoOne:
explain to me what a ten year old kid who’s into drag has to do with gay marriage.

Amos Moses:
so you are for encouraging people to be in violation of the law ......... hmmmmm ..... interesting ..........

HarmNoOne:
hmm, lets try that again...explain to me what a ten year old kid whos into drag has to do with gay marriage

Amos Moses:
because of the HOMOMIRAGE decision ......... when you remove restraint on any depravity .... it releases ALL DEPRAVITY to forge ahead ........

HarmNoOne:
two adults getting married causes a child to dress in drag, thats what your saying right? can you offer proof, sources, anything at all? something NOT pulled from your imagination? your seriously saying this is what same sex marriage caused? how did it happen? tell me specifically when john married andrew how it caused little johnny to decide to dress in drag. i am fascinated.

Daniel Payne #conspiracy #sexist #homophobia thefederalist.com

These days it’s no easy life for perpetrators of fake hate crimes and hoaxes generally: every time somebody comes up with a really good fake scandal, the whole thing seems to unravel within a short while. Time was, a man could go through all the trouble to arrange a hoax and could expect to reap the rewards of his hard work. Not anymore.
What’s changed? Part of it is technological: there are more security cameras, more digital paper trails, more text message records. These present opportunities for hoaxes to be exposed: there are simply more chances for people to give something away, either idiosyncratically (by, say, sending an incriminating e-mail or text message) or extraneously (by being caught on a closed-circuit camera, for instance).

Perhaps more importantly, with the multiple sensational hoaxes taking place over the past decade or so (Breitbart has catalogued more than 100 of them), much of the public—at least among those of us who work in media—has become vigilant in spotting such chicanery and exposing it. Just the same, plenty of hoaxes still get widespread attention before they’re exposed; sometimes they cause lots of damage before they’re revealed as fake.
The good news is you can train yourself to be a hoax-spotter as well. You never know: you might be instrumental in exposing the next big fake hate crime or hoax. Here are three things to look for in determining whether an accusation is probably real or possibly fake.
1. The Allegations Are Too Good to Be True
What do I mean by this? Simply that you should be skeptical of claims that overly gratify certain biases or cultural narratives. The more an accusation of wrongdoing or criminal activity sounds like a picture-perfect capitalized example of Hate Crime or Wicked Evil Behavior, the more you should mistrust the claims.
Take, for example, the now-debunked Rolling Stone article “A Rape on Campus,” which detailed an alleged hours-long gang rape of one young woman by a bunch of fraternity boys. The whole story turned out to be a fabrication and a global humiliation for Rolling Stone. But in the beginning, everyone believed it. Why?

As Richard Bradley pointed out (Bradley was one of the first to publicly question the story), the tale gratified many people’s pre-existing biases: biases regarding “rape culture,” fraternities, men (especially Southern men), and feckless, hostile college bureaucracies. You could have hardly asked for a story that played into more prejudices. Coincidentally, the story turned out to be an enormous lie.
Those of us who raised suspicions were lambasted as “truthers” and rebuked as rape apologists and misogynists. Everybody could have saved themselves a lot of humiliation and anger during those crazy weeks if they had simply exercised a bit of healthy skepticism.
More recently, in the aftermath of the Orlando nightclub massacre, a fair number of people claimed to have either had sex with the shooter or else interacted with him on gay hookup apps. There’s that too-good-to-be-true narrative again: an openly anti-gay Islamic man is secretly an active homosexual. It gratifies many peoples’ prejudices: against religion, against anti-gay sentiment, against the way some cultures repress and lambast homosexuality and homosexual desires.
The problem: the allegations are totally unsubstantiated. The FBI has turned up zero evidence. Nobody can find any record of the shooter on any gay dating apps. Somebody produced what appeared to be a profile on one of the apps, but it turned out to be fake. The administrator of one of the apps openly stated he believed it was a hoax. One witness, when pressed to provide more evidence, “became combative,” according to the New York Times: “I don’t need to prove anything to anyone,” he said. “If I said it, it’s true.” Does that sound like a credible witness?

Be skeptical. It doesn’t mean you have to callously or conclusively doubt the people who are making these claims—you should not assume a priori that every victim or witness is a liar. You should, however, be appropriately incredulous when it comes to these things. Fantastical claims should trigger a red flag immediately.
2. The Evidence Doesn’t Add Up
You’re (probably) not a detective or even a journalist, and thus it’s not your job to gather forensic evidence at a crime scene or interview witnesses of murders or assaults. But that doesn’t mean you can’t still make a reasonable judgment regarding available evidence.
Take, for example, the University of Virginia rape hoax mentioned above. The victim claimed to have been raped for three hours on top of broken glass on a fraternity bedroom floor. But she also claimed she refused to go to the hospital for medical treatment. If you’ve been to any frat house across the country, you’ll know they usually aren’t the cleanest or most sanitary places on the planet (I’ve been to several at UVA, and most were uniformly gross). If the rape victim had declined to seek medical treatment after such an episode, the cuts on her back could easily have become infected and she probably would have fallen gravely ill and required hospitalization. That was just one small example of how her story did not add up.
More recently, gay YouTube personality Calum McSwiggan claimed that three homophobic men assaulted him outside of a gay bar in Los Angeles. By his own admission the men punched him hard enough on his mouth to break three of his teeth. The problem? Police later arrested McSwiggan for vandalizing a car, and his mug shot shows absolutely no visible damage to his mouth. Punching someone in the mouth hard enough to snap three teeth in half would leave a lot of bruising and swelling, if not graphically split lips.

More damningly, the Advocate interviewed McSwiggan a few days later, and McSwiggan showed off the bruises, cuts, and other injuries he claims he sustained from the incident—except for his allegedly broken teeth. It’s possible McSwiggan is telling the truth about the assault. But the available evidence strongly implies otherwise. It’s more likely the assault was mostly or entirely fabricated and will be revealed as such in the coming weeks.
So it is with many hoaxes: a quick review of the evidence will often turn up inconsistencies and incoherencies that suggest something isn’t right. Sometimes there are good explanations for these things. Sometimes the explanation is that it’s a hoax.
3. There Is A Big, Public Payoff for the Victim
Our culture has come to prize victimhood: it is often a lucrative trade. Students who claim to feel “unsafe” on college campuses are pampered and feted; liberal college mobs in recent years have even toppled university administrations and forced high-level officials to resign. Being a victim carries a great deal of prestige among large parts of twenty-first-century America.

With this in mind, it is unsurprising many people perpetrate hate hoaxes: they do it for the low kind of fame and fortune that often comes with being a victim. A few years ago a gay waitress fabricated an anti-gay incident for that very reason. A gay pastor in Austin, Texas did the same thing. A black activist at Kean University tweeted fake racist threats at her fellow black students to gin up controversy and build support for her activism.
Sometimes the payoff is less obvious but still very real: earlier this year three black women claimed they were assaulted on a public bus by white men who also hurled racial slurs at them. It turned out to be false: the young women had started a fight on the bus and wanted to deflect attention away from their own bad behavior. In the meantime the women received tons of support and the campus turned into a hotbed of racial activism. Payoff!
Whenever you read of a terrible or sensational claim of violence or bigotry, it is always worthwhile to ask: what is the potential payoff for the people making these claims? This doesn’t mean you should assume every victim of every crime is trying to scam you. But for the kinds of headline-grabbing events that often drive our news cycles, this kind of curious skepticism is always advisable.

If you follow these three rules, there is a better-than-average chance you’ll spot hoaxes instead of being sucked in by them. You may even do better than our credulous media and pundit class, both of which are often very eager to report on these hoaxes without doing even basic investigatory work. You will save yourself a lot of embarrassment on social media if you’re not taken in, and you won’t contribute to any mass hysteria or public pitchfork mobs in the meantime.
There is, of course, a danger in being too skeptical: in doubting 100 percent any kind of wild or fantastical claim a victim or witness makes. You shouldn’t close your mind to the possibility that these claims are true. All of the hoaxes listed here were 100 percent possible. The problem was, they weren’t very plausible—and in the end they ended up being total fakes, promoted and spread by people who were too eager to question much.
Do not be scared to be skeptical. It may make you unpopular with a certain class of people who eagerly want to believe everything that gratifies their biases. You might get yelled at or scolded if you are too prudent or cautious in getting on board with a public outrage. But you’ll be doing the right thing: making an informed judgment based on the facts instead of blind, biased rage. That’s always worthwhile.
Daniel Payne is an assistant editor for The College Fix, the news magazine of the Student Free Press Association. Daniel's work has appeared in outlets such as National Review Online, Reason, Front Porch Republic, and elsewhere. His personal blog can be found at Trial of the Century. He lives in Virginia.

Remnant of God #fundie #homophobia remnantofgod.org

Drag queens replacing Road Runner, Yosemite Sam

"Yogi Bear, the Road Runner, Yosemite Sam? Apparently just not cutting it for cartoons these days. Set to debut June 28 is an animated show about “toddler drag queens” called “Drag Tots!” features voicing from “famous drag queens,” including RuPaul. Then there’s the Netflix cartoon “Super Drags.” –Source

Is this not expected? Yes it was. And students of prophecy have been warning people for years on this. But because it comes in so stealthily and slowly via the Vatican's long prophesied agenda, all those that ignored the warnings from years ago can't see how it has come to such a festering boil today. Christian prophecy that is based on true Biblical definition is no fly-by-night dime store psychic news network that fails over 90% of the time. Christian prophecy is 100% accurate from start to finish and it never changes.

Just as Jesus Christ declared long ago in Luke 17:26-30, global acceptance of homosexuality in both society and in the church will be the final reason the world will finally come to an end; but this time by fire. Just as we saw in Noah's day, directly before the decision was made to end all life on earth with a flood, homosexual marriage and all that perversion entails was embraced everywhere in society. And yes, that is why the homosexuals today wave the rainbow flag. It's a mockery to the reference of the rainbow that appeared in the clouds after the Lord destroyed the world by that flood.

Now that the media, the churches, the schools and the governments of the world are doing the same thing they did in Noah and Lot's day with homosexuality, the long prophesied homosexual agenda of the Vatican will finally do as prophecy predicted it would do in ending all life on earth. But before the smoke of the Vatican's burning rises up, (See Revelation 18:9) Satan will appear as Jesus Christ to stand in unison with the Pope regarding their Pagan holy day of Sunday so as to make billions believe the Vatican is not the vat of sin it was prophesied to be and then the mark of that awful beast will be enforced worldwide. It is then the plagues will begin for it was also prophesied in Psalms 119:126 that at this point "It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law."

Remnant of God #fundie #homophobia remnantofgod.org

Yiannopoulos Could Be Fired by Breitbart Over Pedophilia Comments

"According to the financial network “there is a fierce internal debate at Breitbart over whether he should remain with the website over his latest comments,” with some at the right-wing site telling Fox News that Yiannopoulos could be dismissed as early as end of the day Monday. Yiannopoulos was disinvited from Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Monday after a video of him talking about pedophilia resurfaced over the weekend. In it, Yiannopoulos can be heard saying that some relationships between adults and 13-year-olds are consensual and joking that his own experience as a victim of molestation made him good at —." –Source

All I see here is yet another homosexual being used by Satan to further the Vatican's homosexual/pro-child molestation agenda so as to help them normalize it as well as lower the dollar mounts on their astronomical amount of lawsuits. It is also apparent, as students of prophecy predicted, that pedophilia would be pushed in the media as soon as other perverted lifestyles were normalized. And just as expected we saw Hollywood and the US Courts pushing polygamy using the same methods they used to normalize homosexuality so as to bring that to a place of normality that led to the legalization of homosexual marriage which is a MAJOR sign of the end.

So be it! It's not like we didn't see this coming. But it still amazes me how easily Satan can use people in the main stream as willing an obedient pawns. Just as we saw for decades with strange innuendos being dropped in all the sitcoms, news reports and big screen movies; some people were moved by their dying god to sacrifice their careers simply because the timing was a bit off on their statements regarding pedophilia. Like this guy Milo, they thought their popularity made them immune to any backlash and so they were used by the demons directing their every move to test the waters to see how ready the American people were towards a pedophile mindset. While at the same time, allowed even more seeds of perverted decadence to spew out there knowing it will eventually hit some well fertilized sewage in the hearts of millions so as to assure someone else will eventually step up like Milo here to claim molesting an innocent little boy in the hopes of indoctrinating him into a homosexual lifestyle is not only moral, it should be legalized so as to assure the homosexual people continue to flourish. I mean, after all, homosexuals cannot have children. They can only exploit them. And so in their twisted reality they believe they must.

Amos Moses #homophobia christiannews.net

the pedophilia is getting more organized ..... more overt .... more in your face every day ..... and it is all because of the HOMOMIRAGE decision ......... when you remove restraint on any depravity .... it releases ALL DEPRAVITY to forge ahead ..... and they are doing so with gusto ..... and there is no fear of God before their eyes .... and they have given up any knowledge of anything as a result ..... this is child abuse and it is grooming to be abused ..... these "parents" will have much to answer for .......

Alan Minchin #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

(=Response to a discussion about the Bible not originally condemning homosexuality. The discussion is fairly lengthy=)

Your first two sentences are incorrect. Homosexual activity was proscribed from earliest Old Testament times as shown in Deuteronomy 23:17 & 18, 1 Kings 14:24 and 2 Kings 23:7.

The sin of Sodom that led to its demise was recognised in the Letter of Jude written probably cAD65 or possibly cAD80.

Errors, alterations and additions in and to biblical texts are well known to modern biblical scholarship, and a good study Bible illustrates these matters so that, I and all of today's readers are able to discern the original intent.

Concerning Leviticus 20:13. Your information, though informative, is not persuasive. To ritually defile someone (especially by accident) would have been seen as a hateful thing but not warranting the death penalty which we can see was ordered for the most serious of sexual offences.
Concerning your comment about Leviticus 18. Between vv6 - 23 there are 17 prohibitive verses regarding unlawful sexual relations and just 1 non-sexual prohibition. So, yes, this seems to be, with one exception, "all about sex".

Jacob Harrison #homophobia #fundie jacobharrisonanglocatholicsociety.blogspot.com

hydrolythe:
For somebody trying not to be homophobic you sure do are pretty damn homophobic. Here are all my issues:
1: There are no innate laws of nature. We didn't even reproduce sexually until the algae came along, which is certainly a long time. There is definitely the Christian metaphysical statement that we are created male and female, but it remains just that.
2: Great that you're propagating the theory that being gay causes AIDS. I'd say that the main reason AIDS is so prevalent is because of religious rallies against the condom and comprehensive sexual education. The virus will spread regardless of what our sexual orientation is.
3: The Bible clearly says that it was because they wanted to distance themselves from other cultures where homosexual seks was prevalent. Why even adding AIDS to the equation?
4: For some reasons Christians like you don't seem to have trouble with people who lend at interest, despite it clearly being against the Bible. Why is that? I'd say because that doesn't disgust people anymore.

Jacob Harrison:
1. Well what cause Algea to evolve sexually was for reproductive purposes.

2. Lack of sanitation in a hot desert environment like Ancient Israel causes aids. Ass fucking is generally less sanitary than normal vaginal sex. And abstinence only sex education teaches people the harms of sex to scare people into not having sex. It reduces the amount of people who have sex and therefore reduces aids.

3. I was referring to why it was dealt with harshly in the Old Testament not why it is forbidden in the New Testament.

4. I have a problem with lending at interest but unfortunetely that has prevailed today. In Merry Old England, laws were passed against lending at interest.

hydrolythe:
1. There is no "higher purpose" in evolution. I'd say that it was because sexual reproduction offered advantages at the time of the evolution happening.
2: Nope. Ass fucking and vaginal sex are equally unsanitory. Also, you act like you've never heard of the condom.
3: I too was referring to this. We might have differing translations, but mine clearly states that it was because of this.

Jacob Harrison:
1. Since our sexual hormones evolved for procreation, we should use it for procreation.

2. I heard of condoms but heard that even condoms are not 100 percent effective at preventing infections. Besides it is better to teach abstinence so that people don’t accidentally forget to use a condom which happens.

In the harsh unsanitary environment in ancient Israel the buttcrack would be full of bacteria from the persons shit so back then, anal sex was less sanitary.

3. Does it say that in the Old Testament or the New Testament in your Bible. Show me the verses and I’ll see what those verses say in the Latin Vulgate.

hydrolythe:
1: It is not because something has evolved for procreation that we ought to use it for procreation. Just because something "is" it does not mean that we "ought" to do it.
2: And what when abstinence fails?

You're also delusional if you think that the butt is less sanitary than the vagina. Both are equally likely to get you an STD.

3: It does say in the Old Testament. Specifically Leviticus 18:3

Jacob Harrison:

1. But not using it for what it is supposed to do goes against the laws of nature.

2. Well it will fail less when people will be taught abstinence. And when it fails, well a new baby ?? will be born.

3. It does say that it is an abomination. But that was not the reason why it was dealt with harshly in Leviticus. Remember, it was a harsh desert environment and toilet paper has not been invented yet. Imagine all the bacteria from the dirty buttcrack. ??

hydrolythe:

1: What laws of nature?

2: Dude. Having a baby should not be taken lightly. You'll lose time and money raising it.

3: Leviticus 18:3 says this: "Don't live following the habits of Egyptians where you lived, nor those of the Kana'n where I'll bring you. Don't live your life according to their predicaments and commandments, "

Also, I never said it was harshly dealt with in Leviticus because they believed it was an abomination. I said it was harshly dealt with it because they wanted to differentiate themselves from the other people in their surroundings.

Jacob Harrison:

1. The laws of nature is doing what is most natural. Since sexual hormones evolved for procreation, they should be used for procreation.

2. The baby can be adopted.

3. It was forbidden because God saw it as an abomination. God did not want the Israelites to practice the abominations of the surrounding cultures. However the Bible never says that it was the reason why the punishment was so harsh in the Old Testament.

hydrolythe:

1: There is no "doing most natural". Things mutate first and only after they've mutated we know if they've a purpose or not. Sexual hormones didn't evolve for procreation, they evolved due to different physical-chemical bonds being combined to form a being that can reproduce sexually.

2: Don't you think that adoption clinics are already filled with children? Why add more?

3: Therefore you can't claim to know the answer either.

Jacob Harrison:

1. Yes sexual hormones evolved to produce a being that can reproduce sexually so that there would be genetic diversity. So they did evolve for procreation.

2. The reason why there are so many is because abstinence is not taught.

3. I don’t know all the answers but I try to make the best guesses. It is the most likely explanation because otherwise it makes God’s morality subjective to the context of the time.

hydrolythe:

1: Evolution is not a guided process, but, by our standards, a random process. Homosexuality is just as much a product of evolution as heterosexuality. And since you didn't propose me any moral argument against it, let me propose one in favor of it. Namely, that they have happiness acting upon it and that if you forbid it, that you don't maximise happiness.

2: So does abstinence. And besides you're commiting the perfect solution fallacy. It's not because a solution isn't perfect that we shouldn't learn how to use it.

I'll leave you with this: "The perfect is the enemy of good." - Voltaire

3: So you agree that if a dog does something right and decent, even if that dog has no knowledge of what is right and decent, that it is a moral agent. This is weird, but I'll go with it. I disagree, for one, that one needs God in order to be moral under the definition you propose. Utilitarianism, for instance, is an objective moral code without God under the definition you proposed, since it says that maximizing the human happiness is a goal in itself. I would even say that it is more moral than God under that definition, because there are several rules in the Bible that prevent you from doing good works to people, such as not allowing the Ammonites and Moabites to become citizens of Israel.

Jacob Harrison:
1. Regardless of whether you believe that God was the mastermind, guiding the process of evolution or not, we know that it is the environment that causes the organisms to evolve. I am aware of the evidence that some homosexuals evolved as population control, but that does not mean that all homosexuals are born homosexual. Besides, for the ones that are, well that makes their sexual hormones a useless holdover like the appendix. It cannot be used for it’s evolutionary purpose of procreation, so it must not be used. Homosexuals can have as much happiness master-bating.

2. I am not commiting the perfect solution fallacy. I am saying that abstinence is a better solution than contraception because it is the only way to prevent pregnancies.

3. God wants to maximize human happiness, but he sets righteous guidelines to prevent bad things from happening. The Ammonites and Moabites were not allowed to become citizens because they were a threat to Israel.

Adam Hood #fundie #homophobia abbi.org.au

An American ex-gay preacher, invited to speak in some Australian churches (Miracle Christian Center’s), is learning his message, that God ‘cures’ people of homosexuality, is not welcome in this country. One of the venues booked for his talk has withdrawn permission to use their premises. The venue originally booked was St Columbian’s Catholic College in Caboolture Queensland.

Possibly things have changed more in Australia then we realise with the principal of the school stating on their site that “St Columbian’s College is a caring, inclusive community, and we will not allow our facilities to be used by those seeking to promote views which are not in line with the Catholic Christian ethos of our community”.

Adam Hood, a self professed former homosexual, gained some notoriety last year when videos were released claiming that he was once an extravagant, card-carrying gay man, living in San Francisco with a handsome boyfriend whilst heavily involved in drugs and Satanism. Hood tells the interviewer he has now been delivered from homosexuality and when he first had sex with wife he screamed “Jesus” because he loves women and his wife’s body.

Many had difficulty believing Hood’s story and originally some thought the video was a joke. Hood squeals, flays his hands about and is dressed like a flamboyant interior designer who has no qualms letting everyone knowing he is gay.

But Hood gets down to the core of his message. ‘Homosexuality is an abomination. It’s a sin God will dam. If they stay in that sin they will be dammed to hell and rightly so because they need to be quarantined. Homosexuals are straight up lost. Lost because they didn’t have fathers or were sexually abused by some man. Homosexuality is one of the worst forms of depravity.”

Bethany Blankley #homophobia #transphobia charismanews.com

By destroying the institution of marriage, the "gay rights" LBGQTI movement made possible the extension of similar "legal rights" for other "lifestyle choices," including zoophilia, consanguinamorous relationships, necrophilia, pedophilia, polygamy, and every other "fluid" sexual preference or identification—including sologamy and trans-polyamorous relationships.

Efforts to normalize sex with animals as an accepted lifestyle choice resulted in one documentary winning an award this year that idolizes a sexual relationship between a man and his bottlenose dolphin lover.

The 40-year movement to legalize sexual interaction with children is working. People are publicly advocating without shame: "I'm a pedophile, but not a monster;" and, "pedophilia is natural and normal for males."

Now, incest activists in the consanguinamorous community argue it's their turn to have their sexual preference and lifestyle choice validated socially and legally.

Because of a case in New Mexico that's making national headlines, incest activists argue exactly what homosexuals argued to normalize incest.

"I was born this way."

"I can't choose who I love."

"I have a right to be happy just like everyone else."

"We aren't hurting anyone."

"Who is the government to legislate love?"

Incest activists maintain that all sexual preferences and acts should be legal if they are consensual and don't harm anyone. More importantly, the government should not be legislating love.

Christina Shy, an incest activist who runs an advocacy and support website for consanguinamorous people, and is in a relationship with her half-brother, argues that incest "needs to be brought to the attention of everybody in the country and people need to start thinking differently. It was the same with gay people just a few years ago and now they can get married they are accepted. Well why not consanguinamorous people like us? We are all adults. We are not pedophiles, there's no domestic issue. We are in love, we want to be together, but we are related. That shouldn't be a deciding factor."

She's right—if sex is consensual among adults in the privacy of their own home—how is it wrong or even illegal?

How is consensual sex between two adult men different than consensual sex between adult brothers and sisters or adult mothers and sons? If two adult men can legally marry each other, why can't consensual adult incestuous couples?

Why should one consensual relationship be denied and another legal?

Incestuous adults aren't coercing anyone. They are knowingly making choices about their own bodies, so why does anyone have a problem with it? It's really none of anyone else's business.

If transgender people in America, who represent less than half of one percent of the population, can have the government dictate bathroom policies for non-transgender people in public schools and stores, why won't the government legalize consanguinamorous relationships?

Homosexuals, who represent less than 3 percent of the population in America, can legally marry and adopt children, why can't incestuous, polygamists, pedophiles and zoophiles?

If morality and laws are determined by personal preferences (that are fluid and always changing) to justify societal norms, why is a different standard being used to legislate incest, necrophilia or pedophilia than that of same-sex relationships?

Incestuous relationships are mutually consensual, therefore they should be legal. (The same reasoning can be applied to murder. Surely, if two people agree to murder someone, in fact a group of people consent to murder another group of people, their consent justifies their action, which should therefore legalize murder.)

The same goes for polygamy. And necrophilia.

Why is having sex with dead people wrong? The corpse doesn't care. It's dead. It doesn't hurt the corpse; it doesn't even know what's happening. Granted, it can't consent to the sexual act, but that doesn't matter because there are enough necrophiliacs to argue that their sexual preference is normal.

When it comes to not hurting anyone, incest activists argue that abortion is legal, so again, what standard is being used to legislate harm to another person?

They are right. If a baby has no constitutional rights, and adults do, why can't the adults, who aren't harming anyone else, be together?

Practicing homosexuality used to be illegal. Now gays can marry. Times have changed, so who has the audacity to suggest that incest is not the new normal of the 21st century family? Or bestiality?

"Non-human animals have incestuous relationships and multiple partners," some activists argue. Likewise, it's well-known that kings and queens had incestuous relationships for centuries to 'keep their bloodline pure.'

So, who is the government to legislate love? Everyone has the right to love whomever they choose. All love is equal. How is heterosexual love better than incestuous love or being in love with multiple partners?

As the defendant in the New Mexico case argues, as to why he should be allowed to love, have sex with and even marry his mother, he says: "This is about whether I have the right to love someone. And I sure (expletive) have the right to love Monica. You can't tell people who to love or who not to love."

His mother's name, Monica, could easily be "Matthew," the name of a brother, father, uncle or homosexual boyfriend.

No love is wrong.

Gay rights activists and corrupt politicians who chose to legalize same-sex marriage and transgender bathroom policies, have no justification to prevent the legalization other sexual behavior.

ChinoF #homophobia #fundie getrealphilippines.com

Some Thoughts on LGBT Issues after the Colorado Baker’s Win

Lately, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the baker in Colorado who refused to bake a cake for a same-sex couple isn’t liable for anything. The ruling left the question of whether it was bordering on religious discrimination. But for me, it isn’t. Establishments have the right to refuse to give service to customers for their own reasons. It’s not the same as hanging a “No Filipinos/no gays allowed” sign, which could be argued as more like discrimination. But this probably will get the LGBTs fuming, with the SJWs among claiming that it’s “oppression of the state,” or other baloney like that. I thus would like to consider the other side, something like the side of Zaxx’s article, where he discusses negative effects of some LGBT attitudes.

A couple I know in church who’d been traveling to other congregations related that pastors had asked them topic suggestions for sermons. The couple said, just look at TV. Broken families, switching partners, making crime look good, and more. And one example they talked of at length was a gay beauty pageant on TV. During an interview, the contestant was asked if he had a boyfriend. “Yes.” Where is he? “With his wife.” Oh, wait, isn’t there a problem with that? “No, because his wife is OK with it.” Jumping in is this famous actress acting as judge: “I’m so proud of you for standing what you believe in!”

Cringe.

Other gays are not that lucky. Some straight guys just flat out refuse. They’re straight, for crying out loud! But the gay person might feel slighted. Life’s wisdom tells us, it’s part of life to be spurned, but the gay will not accept it. So what might he do? Some gays might take revenge in some way against the straight guy. They might stalk or harass the straight guy, like immature spurned teens would do. Others might try to “out” the straight guy as a gay, although that’s a lie. But in doing so, he commits defamation and harassment.

Since suicide has become a topic in social media after Anthony Bourdain’s death, I’ll just give it a little controversial link to my topic. Let’s say an LGBT person commits suicide after they become spurned by someone. The reaction might be, “the spurner is a bigot,” “the suicide is his fault,” and all sorts of trolling and bullying. But no, these are wrong. Unless the spurner or another person was caught on record to have actually encouraged suicide, there is no fault with them. Better to research the person’s background for the complex web of reasons that led to it — including the person’s own decisions. I will also make that controversial point later — that people with mental illness are not always victims, but could possibly have brought it upon themselves. But back to the current topic.

Let me recall the case of Jeffrey Laude. One of the local ladyboys who was killed by a visiting American soldier, in a situation that our webmaster Benign0 likened to the movie Crying Game. The American was expecting his new sex partner to be a legitimate female. Of course. But he found out Laude was male (a transsexual or transgender if you will), and got mad. He was deceived. He snapped, lashed out and did wrong himself. But Laude’s deception would make him less free of fault than media would like us to believe.

I don’t expect most gays to be like this; I’m sure many of them disapprove of the above behaviors. But there are likely some who may defend wanting to be recognized as a woman while hiding their being a man. The problem is, it is still deception, and if all you are looking for is sex, you don’t deserve to be protected from the consequences. Hiding one’s real sexuality is not a right.

Such gays are working on the idea that, if I want something, I deserve to get it. Perhaps it can be forced by law. Entitlement operates in this scenario. Perhaps the agenda of these particular gays is, it shouldn’t matter whether you screw a man and woman, right? So everyone should be homosexual! They should be forced to be give sex to whoever wants it! People are entitled to this joy they want from others! But wait a minute, forcing someone to have sex— isn’t that rape?

Human rights is based on the precept that everyone is entitled to self-determination, which includes their sexual orientation. This could be seen as in favor of gays as well as against. But when they want something from others, that other person has the right to refuse them as part of their own self-determination.

The problem cited by opponents of laws in favor of gays is that such laws would grant unequal protection, or special treatment. It could also lead to ridiculous provisions that are not fair. For example, if one does not agree that someone is beautiful, it is considered “bullying,” or someone who doesn’t want to play along with one’s declared transsexual orientation (still referring to one as male even when dressed up and really looking like a female) should be punished.

Also, let’s look at these ridiculous genders some have tried to invent. Nature (which determines reality) only recognizes male and female, and these can’t be naturally changed. Or you have a sex change and want to be called the other gender. What if someone disagrees, and says, “you’re still your original gender.” They have a right to do that. You can’t sue them. They’re not oppressing you. That’s life. It’s not meant to obey you, and other people are not either.

The outcry of many LGBTs is mainly against harassment; that I agree with. But being harassed doesn’t give you the right to harass back. If harassment is a problem, you don’t need a new law or special treatment. Existing laws on harassment can be applied to that.

If some people return, what about heterosexual spurned lovers, the same should be true for them? I agree. There have been many women who made false rape charges against men (the story of Brian Banks who was wrongfully convicted because of a fake rape case comes to mind), many “spurned” who “take revenge” against their spurners. And I’ll repeat that example of our former maid’s brother, who was poisoned by someone who thought he was his rival over a girl. That attitude of “I must have what I want” keeps turning people into monsters.

Again, on that wish of people who believe “I deserve to be loved;” it likely means, they want sex. Sex and love are actually two concepts that have long been differentiated. And perhaps being pampered and being a freeloader can be the actual meaning of the “love” they desire. Sorry, kids, none of that is a right, and you don’t deserve it.

The saying, slightly worded, “I will defend your right to disagree with me,” comes to mind. That seems more appropriate if you replace the latter words with “your right to refuse to give what I want to take from you.” What we need is respect, especially respect of other people’s refusal of you. As well the acceptance that we sometimes don’t deserve to get what we want. That applies to even “love.”
If you’re a transgender, better reveal that you are, and there are people who will accept you for what you are. Deceiving other people means not only do you lack respect for others, but for yourself as well. If you feel you have to lie to get what you want, chances are, you want something that you should not have. If you want find the love of your life, you don’t steal someone else’s love of their life. And if you want something to validate yourself, don’t get it by force, like what a gay couple wanted from the Colorado baker. Get it fairly and honestly, and if refused, move on to the next. If there are other people who don’t accept you for who you are, there’s no point wasting time on them. Keep calm and carry on.

Christopher Thomas #homophobia #fundie patheos.com

(=Regarding the homohpbic backlash of the World Vison fiasco back in 2014=)

Shall we compare and contrast the two articles?

This:

"...those bullies...bullies...latest convulsion of evangelihate...the whole hideous white evangelical army of hate they lead...gleefully reject 90 percent of what Jesus was about...bullying crusade that deliberately takes money away from starving children...the armies of hate...Muslim-hating, gay-hating, crusade of contempt for the poor...the sanctimonious contempt of the white evangelical bullies...the armies of hate are on the march..."

Versus this:

"As Christians, we believe with deepest sincerity that the embrace of homosexual practice, along with other sins, keeps people out of the kingdom of God. And if our society celebrates it, we can’t both be caring and not say anything....it is an oversimplification to say that Christians — or conservative evangelicals — are simply against homosexuality. We are against any sin that restrains people from everlasting joy in God....The issue is sin. That’s what we’re against...."

And this:

"Some would like to see this whole issue of homosexuality divided into two camps: those who celebrate it and those who hate it. Both of these groups exist in our society. There are the growing numbers, under great societal pressure, who praise homosexuality. We might call them the left. And there are people who hate homosexuality, with the most bigoted rationale and apart from any Christian concern. We might call them the right.

The current debate is plagued by this binary lens. Those on the left try to lump everyone who disagrees with them into that right side. If you don’t support, you hate. Meanwhile, those on the right see compromise and spinelessness in anyone who doesn’t get red-faced and militant. If you don’t hate, you support.

But true followers of Christ will walk neither path. We have something to say that no one else is saying, or can say."

And this:

"Distancing ourselves from both the left and the right, we don’t celebrate homosexual practice, we acknowledge God’s clear revealed word that it is sin; and we don’t hate those who embrace homosexuality, we love them enough to not just collapse under the societal pressure. We speak the truth in love into this confusion, saying, simultaneously, “That’s wrong” and “I love you.” We’re not the left; we say, this is wrong. And we’re not the right; we say, you’re loved. We speak good news, with those sweetest, deepest, most glorious words of the cross — the same words that God spoke us — “You’re wrong, and you’re loved.”"

And this:

"You’re wrong and you’re loved — that’s the unique voice of the Christian. That’s what we say, speaking from our own experience, as Tim Keller so well puts it, “we’re far worse than we ever imagined, and far more loved than we could ever dream.”"

And this:

"That’s our message in this debate, when society’s elites despise us, when pop songs vilify us, when no one else has the resources to say anything outside of two extremes, we have this incomparable opportunity to let the gospel shine, to reach out in grace: you’re wrong and you’re loved. We get to say this."

Roberta Laurila #homophobia #fundie precious-testimonies.com

(=This is one of the pioneers of the Ex Gay movenent, deceased since 2011, and coined the name "Exodus" for Ex Gay Ministry=)

Right from the day of my birth, there was a hint of future problems. When my mother first saw me, she expressed her love for me, then remembered she only had a boy's name chosen. Thus Robert became Roberta.

During childhood, my mother's heart condition and crippling arthritis kept her from doing the usual things with me that my friend's mothers did. I became a loner and a daydreamer. At the age of eight, I was imitating everything my older brother did, from smoking cigarettes to dating girls.

IN LOVE

When I was ten, I "fell in love" for the very first time with my lady school teacher. This crush lasted for three years until our paths separated when I began my freshman year in high school. My heart was grieved until I met a beautiful brunette in my class and new love sprang up in my heart. Of course I couldn't speak of this love to anyone. I began to realize that somehow, I was different. My whole being cried out to love and be loved. Living with my secret longings through those teen years was so difficult.

I tried being like my friends and began dating young men when my father would allow it. When he wouldn't, I became angry and rebellious. I built a bad reputation for myself and as the small town tongues began wagging, I started withdrawing, antagonistic toward all.

ABUSE

My Christian mother was very patient during those years, but my father was under conviction for not accepting the Lord. His cursing raged out of control nearly every night as he verbally abused my mother. These times sent me into a rage. It was during this time in my life that I decided no man would ever treat me like that.

I also rejected my father for getting mom pregnant again. She was in ill health and she hadn't wanted another child. I had also heard many stories of my father's first wife dying at childbirth and that filled me with fears of having children. No way was that for me.

Then at sixteen, my "steady" boyfriend tried to rape me. That event really confirmed to me that sex was filthy and an abomination.

TWO MARRIAGES

After high school, all my girlfriends were getting married. I became fearful of being left out. In desperation, I gave in to my brother's suggestion to meet one of his friends, twelve years older than myself. In less than three months, I married this man whom I didn't even love. After two years, I divorced him and began writing to a man in the Armed Forces who had loved me before my marriage. The decision to marry him came when I learned he would soon be going to Germany in active combat. I could receive an allotment check and wouldn't have to live with him. What a farce! Less than two years later, he came home and I soon divorced him.

Not long after, the Holy Spirit began to convict me of my sin. I had attended tent meetings in a Pentecostal church when I was a child and marched to the front night after night to get saved. But I'd given it all up when I realized I couldn't be good in the days following.

When I began to feel pangs of guilt, this made Satan angry. Soon after, I was introduced to a lesbian who had been in that lifestyle a long time and knew the ropes. She was a bad influence on me and soon I began drinking, which I had never done. The second night, she invited me to spend the night with her. I began meeting other lesbians and partying far too much. Not long after, I was fired from my job.

I soon met a girl who was my "type" and we lived together for eight years. Because of the guilt and drinking, my fits of jealousy and temper became uncontrollable. Then I left my first friend and began living with another. After a year I nearly killed her in the car after drinking too much wine. Needless to say, she left me for good.

SALVATION

I was home alone the afternoon of October 7, 1955. With fear and panic in my heart, I made the decision to take my own life. I was too ashamed to commit myself to an institution to find help for my troubled mind. Pride was still very much alive, even though I thought I was beyond help. I wondered how to call my friend to ask for her forgiveness. I wanted so much to be forgiven, but it seemed out of the question.

I started for the kitchen to turn on the gas jets. I had already had a few drinks to try to give me courage. Just before I entered the kitchen door, I fell to my knees in front a chair. With tears streaming down my face, I cried out, "God forgive me. God forgive me!'

Only later did I realize that I was saved at that moment. The Holy Spirit came to live within me, and began leading me in ways that confirmed my salvation. But in rebellion, I still held onto my old friends.

I had two lesbian relationships after my salvation. "God doesn't expect me to "quit loving women," I reasoned. Of course, I couldn't stop without supernatural help. And I didn't have anyone else to help. This was years before God raised up former homosexuals to begin ministries.

Ten years after I received Jesus Christ as my Savior, I was still living in sin. God began allowing me to feel the consequences of my rebellion. I could not have survived the trauma that followed without the Lord's care and mercy. God allowed the devil to pour out his wrath in such a devastating way. I still shudder at his trickery. With demonic signs and wonders, Satan convinced me that God wanted me to live with another woman while involved in Christian ministry.

The climax came following the suicidal death of a dear friend whom I had betrayed. It was from that shocking emotional experience that my stubborn will was broken. I promised God that I would not let her death be for nothing. Then came the vision.

THE VISION

While living in what seemed to be a hell on earth with my lover, God came to me one night. I was alone and in deep despair, The Lord gave me a spiritual vision of a worldwide ministry. This outreach would reach homosexuals who wanted a close relationship with Jesus Christ and who wanted to be set free from their sin.

As the vision unfolded, I knew God was saying I must leave this lifestyle forever. I was to begin interceding for Him to raise up individuals from the gay lifestyle and others, truly called by Him, to begin specific ministries to homosexuals.

Six years after the vision, God directed me to write my personal testimony of deliverance from lesbianism. My story entitled "Gay Liberation" was published in book form in 1975. It was the first of its kind and not many bookstores would accept it, due to the subject, which was "hush-hush" at the time.

INTERCESSION

Much has happened since that time. While I continued to intercede, God began calling forth former gays to minister. God has blessed my friendships with many of the "pioneers" in the Exodus movement, such as Frank Worthen, Robbi Kenney, Ed Hurst, and others. I have been blessed also to see many ministries begin in foreign soil. What a wonderful God He is!

God has kept me at a low profile. At times, I have rebelled concerning this. But deep down, I know I was called to intercede for others to be led by the Holy Spirit into the entire world.

Even as I write these words, tears are flowing down my cheeks. Surely God will complete His perfect plan to reach the many millions of the lost who have been so rejected and lonely so many years. I weep for the church, blinded by the enemy so it cannot see the need to teach gays. So many Christians cannot truly believe that God can set these people free. My great desire now is to reach those in the gay church. I am believing God to also work a miracle there. Our God reigns!

Ramin Parsa #fundie #homophobia youtube.com

Ex-Gay's testimony

Some people confuse the issue of loving people with accepting their sins and agreeing with their error.This is a controversial subject but it needs to be dealt with.Helping people to go deeper and further in their bondage is not love. If someone is a drug addict or alcoholic, we love the person but we certainly reject homosexuality although we love the people. This video is to help you understand the issue from a unbiased, Biblical and true perspective.

We as Christians are commanded to love our neighbor and even our enemies but that doesn't mean we accept or agree with people's sins.In John 8 people brought a woman caught in the very act of adultery. People were referring to the law that she must be stone but Jesus said:" he who is without sin cast the first stone." as result people were convicted by their conscience and left But Jesus turned to the woman and said:" I don't condemn you but GO AND SIN NO MORE." Jesus didn't condemn that woman but He didn't accept or agree with her sin.

The purpose of this video is not to condemn the gays but the share with them the Gospel and lead them to repentance and change. The Bible says:"The goodness of God leads people to repentance." Many people have a problem with how to deal with homosexuality.The media and educational system and some politicians have told people that "it's only a sexual preference" or "gays born this way" or "it's who they are."... But none is true.

This is a true story of a former homosexual who through the Grace of God was able to get free from homosexuality and turn to become a man of God and a missionary. Adam felt lost as a homosexual and felt miserable, after asking God to show him the truth, he was delivered and now he is sharing the love and truth of the Word of God with people.

He has been persecuted for his conversion and he abstinence from homosexuality. We live in a fallen world and the prince of this world is satan. he comes to kill,still and destroy. John 10:10. The devil comes to deceive you. He uses thoughts, desires and imaginations to impose his perversion on you. We as believers must fight off those ideas and thoughts.2 Corinthians 10:3-5 says:" For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ." we need to bring every thought into captivity under obeisance to Christ.

That means there are some thoughts, desires,ideas,suggestions,emotions that you need to fight off and reject and bring to captivity instead of allowing them to dominate and control your lives. Yielding to unclean and profane thoughts or desires only will lead you to darkness and bondage.

The Bible says in
I Peter 5:8-9 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world."

James A. Wilson #transphobia #homophobia #fundie fstdt.com

Men are simply born men! Women simply are born women! Ask any non-Darwinist geneticist and you tell me what the truth is! If Transgenderism is valid, why do transgendered "women" commit crimes at similar rates to men? Because they are MEN! Yet I'm the one with the third grade understanding of science.

Homosexuality is unnatural because children who are raised in homosexual households are more likely to be in poverty, incarcerated, depressed, and also more likely to become homosexuals. This is verified information

Taylor Swift's "reputation" album and corresponding music videos have shown off her drunkenness, vindictiveness, as well as her lack of modesty in attire. Quite sad, really.

Next, I am not a schizophrenic person, and you libs have obviously never heard of reusing content with permission. I simply reused the content from Pastor Grimes' sermons to bring the light of the Gospel of Christ to the unsaved heathens residing there until I was removed by hyper-PC liberals who decided that the word "tranny" was comparable to the n-word. When were trannies enslaved again in the United States? Please enlighten me. Trannies and tranny enablers are insulting the African American community by spewing nonsense like that.

David J. Stewart #fundie #sexist #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

I was recently walking through a local shopping mall. I heard rhythmatic jungle music. I saw a group of dozens of children and a hundred or so observing parents. The kids were strutting to the music. The little girls were shaking their butts, gyrating to the music. They couldn't have been more than 7 or 8 years old. They were wearing revealing spandex. I walked away in disgust. What is wrong with parents today? The same thing that has always been wrong in a wicked society, people become weak and fleshly. When Christianity flourishes, people at best try to live right in the Lord. But when heathendom flourishes, people descend to the level of animals, doing what feels good, doing my own thing, “Do as thou wilt” as satanist Aleister Crowley (1875-1947) put it.

I've never seen so many effeminate young people as nowadays in the store, and they despise me when they see my “Jesus” hat. Homosexuals hate Christianity!!! They are hardened sinners. They're like Roman Catholics, in the sense that you first have to get them lost, before you can get them saved. Homosexuals have to repent, not in the sense of forsaking homosexuality, but in judging them self as a needy sinner, and that is something very few will ever do. You cannot get saved until you come to Christ, and only admitted ungodly sinners are willing to do that. That is exactly what John 3:20 means, “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”

Titus 2:5 plainly states that women are “to be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.” This is the exact opposite of what children are being taught today. Just as with homosexuality, dancing goes against everything which the Word of God teaches. Don't be fooled into thinking that dancing is just innocent fun, there is an immoral mindset that goes with dancing. If you love Jesus Christ and care about what God thinks, then it should matter to you what the Bible teaches. I care, do you?

Laura Lowder #homophobia mercatornet.com

I was deeply moved by Julie Hinds’ story, recently told on MercatorNet: “Alternative Truths: A wife’s view of a gay coming out”. I am another ex-wife of a homosexual. Our stories have been too slow to come to light.

In the 30 years since Bill left me and embarked on the gay lifestyle, I’ve struggled to recover from the deep wounds left in the wake of his deception.

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A man concerned only with having a wife as a public face is not inclined to treat her as his spiritual and intellectual companion, any more than as a lover. This was my experience.

Billy and I grew up together, started dating after high school and married while still in our teens. We’d been married two years when, during an argument about his non-communication and lack of attention, he broke down and told me he’d been seduced, at age 14, by an older man. “I’ve always been afraid that, if you hadn’t fallen in love with me and married me, that’s where I would have ended up,” he told me. There was not a word about his loving me.

I was young and naïve, I wasn’t close to my parents, and in my community in the 1960s and 70s, nice people just didn’t talk about some things. I was afraid my pastor would contact Bill’s boss if I went to him, so I didn’t get any sort of counseling until Bill eventually left me. In fact, after being physically sick for several days after that revelation, because it was just too much to deal with, I tried, rather too successfully, to put it out of my mind. We had three children (because I refused to take No for an answer, if you want to know), and we were active in our church all that time.

When, after 11-and-a-half years of marriage, Bill announced his intention of leaving me, my immediate reaction was relief. I’d grown to hate him, over the years, for not taking me seriously as a woman, as a human being. Bill has never been able to see that I possessed any real value or interest in my own right. Most of our arguments were over that. I didn’t or couldn’t remember his earlier admission about the seduction, and he always tried to deflect the blame for his lack of attention back on me: I wasn’t a good housekeeper, so he was too uptight to be affectionate or companionable, or some such thing. But I couldn’t leave. Our religious beliefs, as I understood them, prohibited divorce. I was also afraid of being alone. But now he was leaving. I was going to be free, at last.

I didn’t realize until five months after he moved out, and I ran into him and his partner at the grocery store, what had been going on. The electricity between the two men was palpable. I realized, They’re in love with each other! and remembered the disclosure he’d made years before. Oh, thank God! I thought. If I’d been perfect it still wouldn’t have been enough!

But there was also shock and fear. The realization of just what it meant, that Bill was gay, was a terrible blow. I had been, in gay slang, a “beard,” a false front to give him an acceptable public identity. Everything I had thought was true about myself and my world was suddenly proven false. I didn’t know what was real in my world, any more, or who I was in it. I teetered on the brink of a nervous breakdown for several years after that night, and only slowly recovered some sense of normality.

My work during the first few years of being single had me connecting with a variety of mental health professionals in our city. I wanted to understand what had happened to me – and to Bill; I asked them, Is there any literature about the impact of a husband’s homosexuality on his straight wife? No, they said. Thirty years later there still isn’t. This is why our stories are so important – they comfort us in our basic shared experiences, they assure us we are normal.

Maybe, some day, the psychological community will decide we deserve attention, and studies and papers, too. I’m not holding my breath: an industry that has defined its terms based on politics (as happened following the 1973 American Psychological Association convention, which decided to remove homosexuality from the manual of mental disorders) is not likely to give credence to a point of view opposing that position.

Our struggle is made harder than it ought to be by several factors. The lack of available information about what has happened to us is one. Another is the current political climate that lionizes homosexuality and dismisses us. Our gay husbands are so courageous, so heroic for coming out and claiming their truth . . . They are the important ones, they deserve so much respect and esteem just for being gay.

“Don’t you want Bill to be happy? Doesn’t he have that right?” a gay co-worker asked me at one point. His own partner was formerly married with two children.

“What about my right to be happy?” I countered. “He made me promises. Don’t I have a right to see those promises honored?”

“I’ve never thought about that,” he admitted.

Additionally, when we do share our stories on public media, we get attacked. Comment boxes are full of contemptuous responses: “Sour grapes,” are blamed for our dissent from the celebration of gayness. Misogyny is rampant: we can’t be rational creatures with legitimate, carefully-considered opinions; we can only be harridans seeking revenge.

At the same time, and often by the same people, our tragedy is used to promote gay marriage: “This is why we need gay marriage. If these men could have married, then none of these sob stories would have happened.” This is a false conclusion and an obfuscation of the truth.

The desire for a traditional family is a natural one. Marriage is a uniting of complementary opposites, beginning with the fundamental opposites of male and female. Gay “marriage” does not resolve the deeper wounds of same-sex-attraction and its impact on wives and children, but it does insult our unique identity – our inherent value as woman and as wife. It is also an affront to Christian morals and to natural law. For these reasons I do not recommend some of the online resources like the Straight Spouse Network – their support of gay marriage is counterintuitive to self-respect and healing.

Even worse, for many of us, is that the churches where we ought to find refuge and help are places that foster confusion and a false sense of guilt. My own church and pastor at the time of my initial discovery would have been most supportive and helpful had I had the clarity of mind to seek help. I’ve since converted to Catholicism, which recognizes that homosexuality is a grave impediment to a sacramentally valid marriage. But many in the evangelical and fundamentalist communities encounter a legalism founded on poor theology that employs guilt and coercion to wrongly assign responsibility rather than to support hurting spouses.

Some women decide to stay with their gay husbands, and, in my opinion, there are some very good reasons to stay, if that is agreeable to the spouses. I’m not sure it’s healthy, but there are extenuating circumstances which deserve respect. One woman I know has a disabling condition; her husband has chosen to remain married to her so his insurance is still available to help her in her illness, and their relationship is such that she has found that agreeable.

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But we can’t win for losing. Even staying in the marriage, women face criticism. An article in the Huffington Post expresses great empathy for the gay husband’s sufferings in coming to terms with his attractions. But not a word does the article offer regarding the sufferings and the deep loneliness experienced by the woman married to him; in fact, the article tacitly blames wives for adding to the difficulties their husbands face, or for choosing to remain married to them even knowing the truth.

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First of all, it’s not inevitable that the marriage will fall apart. Men who are willing to brave the hard work of reparative therapy – not “praying the gay away,” but a wholistic combination of recognized and respected therapeutic techniques – can find wholeness and a deep happiness in marriage. Of course, men who want to call it “trying” when they merely show up to cohabit at the same address are only fooling themselves. From my experience, Mr. Rymel gives the gay husband far too much credit, and his premise is insulting to us wives.

Moreover, husbands can manipulate us, too. Lying about his homosexuality, or about the nature of his relationships is common. And even when a man is straightforward with his wife, promises to work a program, promises to “be good” can fall apart when a man decides there’s no point any more and vacates the marriage. In such a case, a woman might well be justified to “call foul and take the martyr’s role.”

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Besides, whether she stays or goes, or is left, a wife suffers. When the most intimate of her relationships is warped, when she is found fundamentally undesirable – again, in every dimension of relationship – she is wounded, and those wounds go deep and are hard to recover from. The memory of Bill’s recoil from ordinary gestures of affection lingers with me to the point I have feared resting my hand on my friend’s shoulder or forearm. I’m still deeply humiliated by the memory of his telling someone what a let-down he found our wedding night and the consummation of our marriage: “. . . disappointed . . . don’t know what all the fuss is about.”

But there is healing, and there is peace. It’s not an easy path, and there are too few resources for us. I found Wives’ Healing Journey enormously beneficial, but this is the only program I know of. While our gay husbands have public support, networking, and other venues available to help them transition into the gay community, there is almost nothing for the wives they left in pursuit of self-fulfillment. That must change. And I expect it’s going to have to change with us.

Being the ex-wife of a homosexual does not have to dominate our lives. It does not define who we are. But we must support one another, and our voices deserve to be respected.

Laura Lowder is a freelance writer who lives in the US. Her website is www.survivingtherainbow.com. Presently she is working with another ex-wife to develop a network for the support of other women and families affected by a loved one's homosexuality, transgenderism, and other related issues.

Laura Lowder #fundie #homophobia pantheon-live.religionnews.com

(=Two comments by the same fundie on the same thread regarding a Christian rockstar coming out as gay=)

1. Well, I don’t condemn Christianity, as the Judeo-Christian paradigm is the only one in history that has elevated women to a high status and recognized our value as equal in value to men. Men with a predilection for men and boys ought not to have married, used women to hide behind; there’s never been anything shameful about being a bachelor. And certainly they shouldn’t be treated like heroes, now.

2. Well, I’m not surprised. The CCM industry has turned religious music into another branch of the entertainment industry instead of a discipleship. Superficial “faith” and superficial life go hand in hand.
There is no room for homosexuality in a Disciple of Jesus Christ. Homosexuality is part of pagan culture -- it’s what the Gentiles left behind to become bondservants of Christ. There are no “committed gay relationships” in Christianity, except those invented by gay deconstructionists and revisionists. One simply cannot serve the One True God and the Baals, the Ashteroths and Moloch.
My heart is with this guy’s wife and kids. It’s a helluva rough and rotten life and a stinkin’ lousy way to treat them. But of course they must be sacrificed, we all must be sacrificed to the false gods.
Lord have mercy.

Amos Moses #homophobia christiannews.net

(Commenting on story "Children's Cartoon 'Drag Tots' to Feature ‘Baby Drag Queens’ Voiced by Cast of ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’"):

and the TIDAL WAVE of depravity continues to flow in ...... gotta have them kids GROOMED ..... to make way for the legalization of Pedophilia ............. and all those who want to say no one wants to legalize that ..... all you have to do is look at 80s and 90s and 2000s TV to see how we were inundated with homosexual characters and that agenda so they could finally deceive everyone into homomirage into this country ..... the PIT of depravity has no bottom .........

Amos Moses #wingnut #homophobia christiannews.net

(commenting on story "UK Syphilis Cases Up 20 Percent in One Year"):

Amos Moses:
Gee ..... this is REALLY OLD data ..... it is over 10 days old ...... how can we trust this data ...... and its "mostly-obviously-biased sources " ...... but you know ..... none of these cases had anything to do with "monogamous homosexual partners" and we know that all "married" homosexuals are monogamous ...... and shyphlis and gonorrhoea ........ they do not effect society and the families of these monogamous homosexual MSM partners ............... /////SARC OFF .................

HarmNoOne:
well obviously none of the cases have to do with monogamous partners, you dont catch stds if you are monogamous and that goes for gay or straight

Amos Moses:
The myth is that homosexuals were ever monogamous ...........

HarmNoOne:
some are and some are not, just like heteros

Amos Moses:
MYTH ........

HarmNoOne:
google gay men and monogamy and report back to me

Amos Moses:
Comparing the Lifestyles of Homosexual Couples to Married Couples
by: Timothy J. Dailey, Ph. D.
(article removed)

HarmNoOne:
timothy dailey is a widely debunked idiot. opinion pieces mean nothing and this article STILL doesn't say there are no gay monogamous couples. why are you trying to hard to prove something impossible?

Amos Moses:
right ... a scientific study you do not want to agree with as it leaves you butt hurt with the facts .......

HarmNoOne:
his study doesnt say there are no monogamous gay couples. read it again

Amos Moses:
it says what YOU want to call monogamy ..... and what homosexuals call monogamy ...... and what monogamy REALLY is ......... is not what homosexuals are portraying it to be ..... they are lying through obfuscation, sophistry, and casuistry ......... and a lie is still just a lie .....

HarmNoOne:
nice try. you cant say that his words really mean something other than what they say. youre making a crazy unsupportable statement when you say there is no such thing as a faithful gay or lesbian couple especially when there are millions of examples online that shoot your pathetic lie down.

Amos Moses:
there is no evidence ..... length of time spent together is not evidence of monogamy .....

HarmNoOne:
in that case you cant prove that anyone is monogamous and faithful. gay or straight

Jacob Harrison #fundie #homophobia forums.fstdt.net

I apologize for not doing research that conversion therapy does not work.

Because of that, I revise what the government should do to cure homosexuality which is to make it required by law for doctors to provide chemical castration drugs that will make homosexuals asexual.

It will be beneficial to their self esteem because they won’t feel depressed over falling in love with heterosexuals of the same gender who will obviously not return their love.

Tolpuddle Martyr tried to debunk my argument that the natural purpose of sex is procreation by saying that the natural purpose is descriptive not prescriptive. However all our natural traits have prescriptions. We have feet for walking, running, kicking, dancing, or driving cars, however our prescription is that we put on shoes when we go out of our house and not at a beach.

We assign prescriptive roles to natural purposes. For millennia, humans understood that the purpose of sex was procreation hence the institution of marriage.

Before the evil legalization of the mass murder of unborn babies, and before the invention of condoms, even prostitutes knew that having sex would produce children that they would be responsible for raising.

So that is the reason why God hates homosexual sex.

natsumihanaki20 #fundie #homophobia #transphobia natsumihanaki20.deviantart.com

(Note:The link may not take you to page the qoute originated from)

It's true that love knows no gender but that is not true with romantic love. Also, reparative therapy is not harmful. SOME of them are harmful but, not all of them are like that. There are studies proving that reparative therapy can help homosexuals overcome their homosexuality over long intervals of time. Also, there is no biological component to homosexuality. There is no proof that homosexuality has anything to do with biological components. On the contrary, there's proof that homosexuality cannot be to biological components and it's most likely due to social factors. Childhood experiences have a profound effect on who we are, and most of data gathered so far has proven that there is a link between homosexuality and child sexual abuse (among other things). In addition, most humans are not bisexual. Men are designed to like women, and women are designed to like men. Thus, most humans are heterosexual. Romantic love should not be confused with love for they are different from each other. Romantic love involves sexual and physical attraction whilst love is simply a spiritual love. Romantic love is only present among lovers while love is among everything. The existence of love between people of the same gender does not make them bisexual for it'll be the same as saying that a mother who loves her child is a pedophile. Jonathan and David were not romantically attracted to each other nor soulmates; they were simply great friends who would play a great role in each other's destinies due to their great love for God. They loved each other in the same way a man loves his brother, a father loves his son, a man loves his pet, and a man loves his friend. Their souls were tied together because they were very similar to each other, and both shared a great love for God. They became like brothers not soulmates. All men are born straight but due to social experiences they change. Also, homosexuals are indeed condemned by Paul. The word Paul used does not mean temple prostitutes; Paul invented that word and is a conjunction between the words used to refer to homosexual men in the Old Testament. The word 'homosexual' is best translation so far of said words. There's no historical evidence that even suggests the word meant temple prostitute. That translation is solely based on speculation by pro-homosexual groups, angry at God for considering what they do and feel loathsome. Homosexuality is thoroughly condemned in the Bible, not just the behavior but the feelings as well. The Bible promotes people to love others but this love is not romantic love but simply brotherly love which is genderless but romantic love is another story. Gender alike age is biological and determined through ones' DNA, it's not something decided by one's mind. The man you mentioned felt uncomfortable in his body because he had male DNA, and thus felt attraction toward females as God intended for him to be. He felt in that way for that is how God intended him to be. However, this is not the case with a transgender individual. The transgender lifestyle is condemned by God, and it's solely due to mental illness (and confusion) than to being genuinely in the wrong body. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder that can be cured, and should not be encouraged or accepted. I agree that we should not act hateful toward LGBT+ when we attempt to fix them but, in no way should we accept such a broken state of mind and body or celebrate such individuals. And also, we should not associate with them unless they have proven genuine interest in turning back from their wickedness for they usually will try to brainwash you to believe lies about God's commandments. Parents should not accept their child choosing to be LGBT+ (or just confused) for parents are not supposed to accept the errors of their kids and let them dwell in it but to completely disapprove of it and thoroughly help their kids walk the straight path to heaven rather than the crooked path to hell. I'm appalled at how far Satan has deceived people and how much he dwells in Christianity to the point were people have become alien to love."

Paul Abeyta #homophobia #fundie disqus.com

(=Two qoutes by the same person on the same thread=)

1. You're pretty late to the conservation. Of course SSM isn't discussed - because the Bible does not need to address something that doesn't exist. What I mean to say of course - is that marriage is between a man and a woman. Therefore, SSM is not even mentioned because there is no need of it. It is a myth (granted - a myth that many cultures recognize, even judicially). The sexual union between same gender couples is never a marriage according to God - not by what Scripture defines marriage as at least. It is sin.

2. Letting people know that God abhors homosexuality is loving - it's calling them to repentance and that is also loving. It would not be loving to be silent and let them perish in their sin, or even worse - to call evil, good and affirm them in their sin.
By calling her to repentance (even more now - how I hope that the Lord softens her heart since she now revealed herself as a lesbian), I am loving her as I love myself - I spend a lot of time with my own sin in view - asking that God would cleanse me from all my transgressions - knowing that I am forgiven in Christ, yet not taking pleasure in my sin (when I realize that I am committing sin).
Please note though how Vicky has hardened her heart. Only a few months ago, she was in favor of homosexual marriage. Now, after not repenting, here she is not only championing the sin of others, but lost in the same sin herself.
Lord have mercy.

natsumihanaki20 #fundie natsumihanaki20.deviantart.com

1# Homosexuality is inborn


There's no proof that homosexuality is inborn. All of the studies often used to prove that homosexuality is inborn are fallacious. Why? Well, let’s begin with LeVay’s brain study. When looking at the methodology of the LeVay study, one of the key problems is that the study has never been reproduced. Another problem is that out of nineteen homosexual subjects used in the study, all had died of complications of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS). AIDS has been shown to decrease testosterone levels, so it should be expected that those who suffered from that condition would have smaller INAH. Furthermore, in a scientific environment where controls and standards are a necessity, LeVay did not possess a complete medical history of the individuals included in his study. He therefore was forced to assume the sexual orientation of the non-AIDS victims as being heterosexual, when some may not have been. Also, there’s brain plasticity which is a fact acknowledged by most scientists. Given that we know today that the brain exhibits plasticity, one must ask if the act of living a homosexual lifestyle itself might be responsible for the difference LeVay noted? Another study often used by gay activists as a proof that homosexuals are ‘born’ that way is Bailey and Pillard’s Study. In this one there isn’t much to explain as the whole fallacy of the study can be proven with this one statement: If there was in fact a “gay gene” or “a gay combination per se” then all of the identical twins should have reported a homosexual orientation. This observation suggests that there is no genetic component but rather social component in homosexuality. In fact, more adoptive brothers shared homosexuality than non-twin biological brothers. If there was a genetic factor in homosexuality, this result would be counter to the expected trend. The other fallacious study we will be covering here is Dr. Alan Sanders’ study of x-male chromosome. Dr. Alan Sander’s study fails for this one reason: the results exhibited on the gay men were never compared to that of heterosexual males. Another thing as to why homosexuality cannot be inborn from an evolutionary standpoint is that: Being gay is a disadvantage as if gay people where everywhere this race would not produce offspring. Besides, there's no proof that homosexuality is caused by hormonal misbalances such as low testosterone, such claims are naught but mere hypothesis and thus, invalid. In fact, low testosterone has been associated with low sex drive and infertility so, there really isn't any ground for such hypothesis. So even if it did exist at one point it would be dissolved within a few generations. Things will evolve or die, since we are still here chances are it evolved away if it even existed. As you can see there's no study that even suggests that homosexuality is inborn.

2# Homosexuality is not harmful, it is just fine

Nowadays, there’s this myth that homosexuality is not harmful and an equal to heterosexual relationships; however, this couldn’t be further away from the truth. Homosexuality is a very harmful practice that results in many illnesses, it’s kind of like smoking a misbehavior that feels good but destroys your body. How can this be true? How can homosexuality be harmful when so many LGBT are such wonderful people? Well, let’s begin with how gays have shortened lifespan. Yes, homosexuals have shortens lifespan and this isn’t just my word as there are studies to back my claims. It isn't just the 1997 study that pointed to this grim truth, according to the article you attached, the 1997 study is fallacious because the lifespan of gays should have improved over time thus, so it shouldn’t be valid today. However, other recent studies have reported similar findings. Such studies include an study done by Paul Cameron and Kirk Cameron of the Family Research Institute and who held a poster session and presented the study at March, 2007 Eastern Psychological Association convention in Philadelphia. The facts of the Cameron's studies were these: the lifespan of homosexuals is 20 years lower than that of straights. They found that in the Canadian database, a decline in homosexuality was evident by the fourth decade of life. Those who identified themselves as homosexual constituted a relatively stable fraction of adults only for those aged into their mid-40s (e.g., one of every 47-48 adults). Thereafter, their proportion dropped regularly, down to one of every 234 adults in old age (65+), resulting in an overall estimate of 1.4% of adults who ‘were. In both the table and abstract done by the Cameron a precipitous decline in the homosexual population following middle age was noted. Taking a look at the statistics and studies regarding homosexuals, both old and new, it becomes evident what’s the real reason as to the reduction in homosexuals’ lifespan. Unlike what most pro-gay activist like to claims this reduced lifespans is not due to discrimination or stigmatization because these studies were conducted in countries were homosexuals are not persecuted, there's very little disapproval of homosexuality, and were homosexuals even enjoy special rights. The reason for this statistics is the nature of homosexual sex itself is harmful, and many of the harmful acts committed in such relationships are not committed by straights as often as by homosexuals. Like Diggs said the anus is not made for penetration and anal sex is extremely harmful for both homosexuals and straights. However, straights have the option to indulge in traditional sexual intercourse which is way safer than those homosexual practices. There's no such thing as safe homosexual sex for all the practices involved in their so called making 'love' ritual have been proven to be dangerous practices that often result in many illnesses. The use of a condom reduces the chances of HIV; however, it does not eliminate the risk especially during anal sex practiced mostly by homosexuals as 1 in 27 condoms will break during anogenital homosexual sex. Also, there’s no scientific evidence that condoms prevent the transmission of Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, and Herpes simplex virus. The prevention of the these three STDs has not been absolutely quantified, because no one is suggesting that a person known to have one of these treatable infections have regular intercourse with an unaffected partner. Though, health professionals assume the usage of condoms reduces the risks of getting these diseases; however, as to what extent condoms prevent these diseases are unknown. Back to anal sex, this kind of sex is extremely dangerous and harmful. The use of artificial lubricants doesn’t make this practice any safer, in one study involving nearly 900 men and women in Baltimore and Los Angeles, the researchers found that those who used lubricants were three times more likely to have rectal sexually transmitted infections (STIs). Even after controlling for gender, HIV status, city, condom use, and number of sex partners in the past month, the association between lubricant use before receptive rectal intercourse and rectal STIs remained strong. Another study that subjected popular over-the-counter and mail-order lubricants to rigorous laboratory tests discovered that many of the products were toxic to cells and rectal tissue. Thus, lubricants don’t really make anal sex safer if anything it makes anal sex more dangerous. Anal sexual intercourse as Mr.Diggs noted does increase fecal incontinence as shown in the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (2009–2010) done by Alayne D Markland and others which included 2,100 male participants. Anal sex is also known to increase anal cancer and it’s no surprise taking into account anal sex is done mostly by homosexuals that, gay and bisexual men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men. Other physical problems associated with anal sex are: hemorrhoids, anal fissures, anorectal trauma, retained foreign bodies. Oral sex practiced amongst heterosexuals and homosexuals but particularly among homosexuals is dangerous as well. Fisting is far more dangerous than anal intercourse; results of fisting can include infections, inflammation and enhanced susceptibility to STDs. Rimming a practice done by most homosexuals which increases the risk for Hepatitis A or B, gonorrhea, syphilis, and herpes/genital warts, though low, the risks are still there especially when most people perform unprotected oral sex. Another illness that is very prevalent among homosexual communities is Shigella, it can be transmitted through person-to-person contact, oral-anal sex, or sucking or licking of the anus (anilingus or "rimming"), may be especially risky.Many shigellosis outbreaks among MSM have been reported in the United States, Australia, Canada, Japan, and Europe since 1999. Frottage, when done naked or simply if the infected skin of a partaker rubs against the uninfected skin of the partner, can result in STDs transmitted by skin-to-skin contact which include: Herpes, HPV, genital warts, mononucleosis, Molluscum Contagiosum, and syphilis. Also, another risk of frottage is clothing rubbing on a lesion as it can irritate it risking either a secondary infection or a disease spreading through self-inoculation. Tribadism includes the risks of frottage as well. There is almost no published research addressing the question of whether fingering is transmits STDs or not. However, common sense says it should be extremely low but still, fingering is not risk free from STDs. The usage of latex condoms does not completely eliminate the risks of STDs during mutual masturbation and other forms of sexual contacts as it is not 100% effective and there’s also the risk of developing latex allergies. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported that while men with same-sex attraction make up only 2 percent of the total population, they accounted for 63% of all newly-diagnosed HIV/AIDS cases in 2010. Despite what gay activist would like to believe, HIV among msm seems to be increasing as in 2014, gay and bisexual men accounted for an estimated 83% of HIV diagnoses among males and 67% of all diagnoses (CDC). When into account that gays are about 1.6% or 2.3% (counting bisexuals) of the population, according to a recent survey done by the National Health Statistics Reports (2014), it can be concluded by using basic math that being gay drastically increases your chances of getting many illnesses. In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 82.9% of all male syphilis cases and 61.2% of all syphilis cases in the US. In your article it was claimed that over time Homosexual’s ailments would become less common but it seems the opposite is happening as the Center for Disease Control and Prevention(2014) noted that the number of cases of Chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis is increasing among men and particularly the msm populace. A study done by Damien Stark(2007) resulted in indicating that MSM were more likely to have multiple parasites in their stool compared to non-MSM (43.5% versus 8%; P < 0.001). In a sexual health survey of MSM in Vancouver, 18% of men had been diagnosed with genital warts, 62% were infected with a strain of HPV, and screening for anal cancer detected abnormalities in 64% of HIV-positive men and 34% of HIV-negative men (suggesting anal cancer may be present). What’s more, it seems most homosexuals infected with HIV are unaware of their infection! A CDC study found that in 2008 one in five (19%) MSM in 21 major US cities were infected with HIV, and nearly half (44%) were unaware of their infection. Another study conducted by Marc Martí-Pastor,Patricia García de Olalla, and others (2015) concluded that an increase in cases of STIs was observed in 2015, most of which affected mainly msm. The Marc and Patricia’s study revealed that 66.8 % of the HIV cases were men who had sex with men (MSM), 45.5 % of the gonorrhea cases were MSM.74.2 % of the syphilis cases were MSM and 95.3 % of the LGV cases are MSM. Homosexuality increases the risk to HPV as shown by the statistics presented in the journal Cancer (2004): 60% of gay men without HIV, 90% of gay men with, have human papilloma virus infection in their anal canal. A study conducted n 2002 by Susanne L. Dibble and others concluded that lesbians are at a higher risk of developing ovarian cancer. HPV (human papillomavirus) is common in WSW as HPV can be transmitted through skin to skin contact. A study published by the Gay and Lesbian Association concluded that lesbians have higher rates of breast cancer. The lesbians that chose not to do the screenings do them for the same reasons straights chose not to. Since oral-genital sex is a frequent practice of women who have sex with women, genital herpes transmission with both HSV-1 and HSV-2 can occur. A National survey from 2001-2006, reported that 30% of women who reported having same-sex sexual contact in the past year, had positive blood tests for HSV-2. This finding is contrasted with women who report no same-sex sexual contact, among whom 24% had positive blood tests for HSV-2. Other diseases abundant in homosexuals include: Hepatites A, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C, Proctitis, HSV, BV, HEP B, Giardia lamblia, Amebiasis, and mental disorders. The tendency of gay men to acquire many of these plethora of diseases, contrary to what most gay activists suggest, isn’t due to discrimination as public acceptance of gay/lesbian relations as morally acceptable grew slowly but steadily from 38% in 2002 to 56% in 2011 and is now holding at the majority level; the problems with the American LGBT community aren’t also due to lack of knowledge about ‘safe’ homosexual sex practices as since 2013 in The Real Education For Healthy Youth Act, an act that promotes homsosexual sex education by providing federal fund solely to programs that educate about ‘safe’ homosexual sex partners, has been in place. Also, there have been numerous LGBT education programs receiving federal funding before and many school districts teaching about safe homosexual sex education that date back prior the 2013. On the web there’s also a plethora of websites that cover safe gay sex available to homosexuals of any age, when you write the word ‘safe gay sex’ on Google you will get 36,100,000 results many of which cover on ‘safe’ gay sex practices with tips. So, it can be concluded that the many illnesses present on the homosexual community are more due to the harmful nature of the homosexual lifestyle and homosexuality per se rather than due to discrimination or lack of homosexual sex education. Homosexuality is asexual behavior, not a characteristic like a skin color, and when looking at all this statistics we can determine that homosexuality is a harmful sexual behavior such as smoking is a harmful behavior.

3# Children of gays parents do as well as those of straights

Children raised by homosexual parents don’t fare as well. Studies that indicate that children from homosexual households fare as well as those with heterosexual parents are fallacious. Such studies usually have relied on samples that are small and not representative of the population, and they frequently have been conducted by openly homosexual researchers who have an ideological bias on the question being studied. In addition, these studies usually make comparisons with children raised by divorced or single parents--rather than with children raised by their married, biological mother and father. They have also used selective recruiting instead of using random samples. And usually the reports are given by the parents instead of the kids themselves. Studies that prove kids under the care of same sex parents don’t fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents include: Regnerus(2012), Allen(2013), and Sullins(2015). Most of these studies have random samples with numbers that are representative of the children raised in same sex households.

4# Homosexuality cannot be changed

there's evidence that shows intervention to change ones' sexualities are actually pretty successful.Robert Spitzer conducted a study on 200 self-selected individuals (143 males, 57 females) in an effort to see if participants could change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual (2003, 32:403-417). He reported some minimal change from homosexual to heterosexual orientation that lasted at least five years (p. 403). Spitzer observed:

The majority of participants gave reports of change from a predominantly or exclusively homosexual orientation before therapy to a predominantly or exclusively heterosexual orientation in the past year (p. 403).
In summarizing his findings, Spitzer declared: “Thus, there is evidence that change in sexual orientation following some form of reparative therapy does occur in some gay men and lesbians.” He thus concluded: “This study provides evidence that some gay men and lesbians are able to also change the core features of sexual orientation” (p. 415).
Six years earlier, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) released the results of a two-year study stating:
Before treatment, 68 percent of the respondents perceived themselves as exclusively or almost entirely homosexual, with another 22 percent stating that they were more homosexual than heterosexual. After treatment, only 13 percent perceived themselves as exclusively or almost entirely homosexual, while 33 percent described themselves as either exclusively or almost entirely heterosexual (see Nicolosi, 2000, 86:1071).

The study also reported:
Although 83 percent of respondents indicated that they entered therapy primarily because of homosexuality, 99 percent of those who participated in the survey said they now believe treatment to change homosexuality can be effective and valuable (p. 1071).

These data are consistent with the ongoing research project of Rob Goetze, who has identified 84 articles or books that contain some relevance to the possibility of sexual orientation change (2004). Of the data reported, 31 of the 84 studies showed a quantitative outcome of individuals able to change sexual orientation. These studies are not mere speculation as they have numbers to back up their results. These studies are more than enough proof that homosexuality can be changed.

#faggots #gay #homosexuality #homosexuals #lesbian #religion #statistics #yaoi #yuri #antigay #boyslove #homophobe #homophobia #lgbt #misconception #myths #science #study #truths #boys_love
Once again God is right and humans are wrong.

Amos Moses #homophobia #pratt disqus.com

"the evidence is EMPIRICAL"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Same goes for the use of ellipses, by the way.

"Take a number of homosexuals, both sexes, put the males on one island,
put the females on another island ........give them anything they want
or desire ..... deprive them of nothing ALLOW THEM TO EXPRESS THIER
DESIRE FOR ONE ANOTHER ..... unrestricted and outside of anyones
judgement ............ but they cannot leave and they cannot have the
opposite sex ...... come back in 60 years ...... nothing will be left
........ society DIES .........."
Heterosexuals of just one sex would not last longer either.
Also, I "love" the assumption here that the ONLY way to contribute to society is reproduction...

"Heterosexuals of just one sex would not last longer either."

Heteros .... DO NOT DESIRE THEIR OWN SEX ....... the object is to GIVE THEM THEIR DESIRES ..... and most homosexuals will tell you that the opposite is ABHORRENT to them .......

"Also, I "love" the assumption here that the ONLY way to contribute to society is reproduction..."

it is not an assumption ...... if you FAIL to make new members to replace the ones that die ..... THERE IS NO SOCIETY ............

1. Homosexuals do not want their own society without the other sex, they want to be an accepted part of society and be allowed to love who they love.

2. Way to miss the point I wrote IN ALL CAPS!
Of course reproduction needs to happen for society to survive. However, it should be self-evident that this is not all there is to society. Furthermore, humanity's population is very, very, very far from the point where a few people not reproducing would risk extinction for the species.
What about a couple who are childless (possible even without a choice on that matter due to infertility), but adopt an orphan and raise the child as if it was their own? Have they not contributed to society?

"they want to be an accepted part of society and be allowed to love who
they love."

it is not love ..... it is NARCISSISM ..... love does no harm to another ..... EVERYTHING the homosexual does harms themselves, their"partners", their families, and society in general ....... what they want is irrelevant ....... what they do is relevant ......... and what they want DESTROYS society .......

Mr. Noname #fundie #homophobia fanfiction.net

(=Another review for another homophobic fanfic of "The Loud House"=)

"They didn't choose this. They can't help it, they were born this way."

Simon Levay would beg to differ. Next time, please check your facts.

"Was the gay rights movement of the '60s for nothing?"

Pretty much. 'Gay rights' are a hoax. Not just Bible verses, but I've already given you people a list of things to look up yourselves to better understand the position that the author and I have taken: Christopher Doyle, ex-homosexuals in general, 4 myths about homosexuality debunked by natsumihanaki20 over on DeviantArt...I mean, you DO know how to use a search engine, right? Or a library?

*sigh* Michael Savage was right: Liberalism IS a mental illness.

Other than that, I'm going to end it right here. You detractors can debate this all you want, but the author has just as much right to share this story with the world as does anyone else. There are indeed a lot of grammar errors and plenty of poor sentence and paragraph structure, and maybe the Bible lessons DO seem rather overdone; "rubbed in our faces" and such. Fine, I get it. But all I'm saying is that if you don't like it, you can always find another story to read. Simple as that. I mean, nobody's FORCING you to read this one, correct?

You can't make us change our minds any more than we can make you change yours. Stalemate.

Thank you for understanding, and have a nice day. (walks away and gently closes the door behind)

...

Sorry about that, author. You might consider putting a warning notice at the beginning of one of the chapters. You could write something along the lines of: "This story/chapter contains strong anti-homosexuality sentiments (not to be confused with homophobia). If you don't like that, please don't read." Or in the main story description, if you can fit it in.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

America's churches have failed the Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgendered (LGBT) community. We really have! For the past half-century the churches have failed homosexuals. I mean, if anyone in the world ought to be helping the LGBT community, it is the churches! Even America's independent fundamental Baptist churches today are failing the LGBT crowd. It is high-time for the churches to start doing what they should have done long ago! Yes, the churches are at fault. We have dropped the ball. There are no legitimate excuses, the Christian churches have failed the LGBT community!!!

How, you may ask, have the churches “failed” the LGBT community? I am glad that you asked. We have failed the LGBT community by refusing to cry aloud against homosexuality as a filthy “sin”! We have failed the LGBT community by tolerating homosexual “sin” instead of exposing it as “perversion” in our society. We have failed the LGBT community by refusing to embrace them with the truth, the horrifying truth that a holy God will not accept homosexuality.

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