(Commenting on an article about migrants who have died in ICE custody)
What about those that were killed, trafficked or raped by cartels - including children - as Joe and Camel told them to come on over? They were told not to come by this administration - they should have listened. I do not feel bad for them.
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As Trump has gutted every agency that would ever investigate such things meaning you’ll never know why not stick with the questions that actually have tangible answers? Also, you still wouldn’t care about those people even if you didn’t invent them just to shut down an argument. You’d find it hilarious. Because unlike the people you want to shut down, you have no regard for human life and you want to abuse that regard in others just to feel like you have power over them.
>Lady Liberty
Have you ever read a certain poem within the base of that large immigrant from France which has that nickname? No? Thought not.
It’s a real argument destroyer, OP.
Other native-born white people have trafficked, rated and murdered people. Therefore, by her own "logic," Lady Liberty deserves to die in a Mexican prison.
First, illegal migrants and gangsters aren’t the same thing. And second, even criminals have some rights based on human dignity and so shouldn’t be lect to die of exposure, torture, hunger and thirst.
Tyler D. Baily: “Oh, if illegal immigrants don’t equal organized crime members , then why does Trump keep going on about MIGRANT CRIME, huh?”
Come to think of it, with ICE making themselves deliberately unidentifiable and swarming terrified, confused women to shove them into vans without identifying themselves or giving a word of explanation everyone from human traffickers, gangbangers, and loan sharks to your crazy ex and their fucked up friends could snatch people off the street in broad daylight and witnesses would never know the difference. ICE has a mandate to put absolute terror into anyone that questions or even looks at them wrong, they don’t care about your citizenship they make a deliberate and monstrous point of skipping any process or verification. Fuck’s sake, a woman showed her son’s American birth certificate to a judge after ICE took him to try and convince them to let him go and they told her to eat shit. Odds are frighteningly good some of the people you say you don’t feel bad for were citizens who never got so much as a call to their lawyers. Though I suspect you still wouldn’t care and find that hilarious. So basically Americans would be too afraid of crossing ICE to do anything but walk along and pretend they didn’t see exactly the scary fairytales you’re passing around right now. A rapist’s paradise, isn’t it? I’ll be surprised if there aren’t already incels arguing about who should pay for the van.
“I do not feel bad for them.”
The problem is that in taking people into custody, you take responsibility for them, guilty or innocent. Holding people in custody is not supposed to be a trial, or revenge.
@Passerby #223836
In some threads discussing suspect death in Russia (i.e. “fell from a window”), there’s people who think that some murderers are using the fear of crossing Putin authorities to commit murders without being detected because police wouldn’t want to have to investigate a case they think would be relied to political opposition.
During WW2, in France, some gangsters passed themselves as Gestapo to racket hidden Jewish families since real Gestapo French auxiliaries (themselves sometimes recruited in the underworld) did the same.
@JeanP #223873
I’d be in utter disbelief if that wasn’t the case. Authoritarians can’t deliver on their backhanded promises of order and safety, their very practices and the fear they rely on to control the population are exactly what creates an environment that allows the lawless to thrive and even act with more impunity than a supposedly “soft” or “weak” governance would ever allow. Even in a completely lawless land a criminal would have to worry about the reprisal of those willing to defend themselves. In the grips of a tyrant authority being a victim becomes the crime especially if you take matters into your own hands, for the truth of an uncontrolled criminal element is embarrassing to an authority that demands the appearance of total power and control. It’s unspoken that the crime that does happen is a mere cover, and that’s a bit of doublethink they’ll kill to keep in place. Their only recourse is to convince the population that the danger is something that sneaks in from the outside, something that can be easily identified in the form of an outgroup and purged.
Confused?
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