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Various Commenters #racist #wingnut

White people invented notions like equality for all,

You’re funny. White people repeatedly invented various versions of “equality for all white male landowners, sort of” and then basically forgot about it multiple times over the centuries, and then white men finally had to be dragged kicking and screaming into true “equality for all” starting around the late 1800s, mostly by everyone else. And some people aren’t there yet.

To be fair there have always been people of every race, gender, etc. who have never been comfortable with stark inequality, but obviously that’s not specifically a white thing.

Henry Makow PhD #sexist #racist #wingnut #conspiracy

I strongly suspect anyone who says things like this to be aromantic and/or homosocial, and probably both, and refuses to believe that other people experience things differently.

There’s nothing wrong with being either of those things. Just don’t presume to speak for people not like you.

Geoffrey Grider #fundie #wingnut #conspiracy

That seems like such an odd metaphor. Guillotines didn’t exist at the time of the bible, they’re not in use now, and I’ve never heard of anyone using it as a symbolic threat before. The few times I’ve heard it used as a metaphor, it was about doom or finality, not coercion.

John Webb #fundie

FFS, the S-like shape in a pentagon is his Kryptonian family crest, and he chose the name “Superman” mostly because the crest coincidentally resembled an S. I don’t even read superhero comics and I know this.

…Although, that’s in-universe. Out-of-universe, I wouldn’t be surprised if the logic went something like “Superman was created by a Jew → Jews are eeeevil → evil people can’t help but covertly announce their wickedness → this announcement subliminally coerces children into Satan worship”. Which is of course not how anything works, but when you’re really deep in magical thinking…

Tommy Tuberville #racist

For the Authoritarian Right crime isn’t really about what the law says - the law can be invoked or ignored as needed. Nor is it about harm to others, at least not in the general physical/mental sense; rather it’s about harm to authority and/or property, with the lives of the higher-ranking authoritarians being prioritized mainly because harm to them being seen as a harm to authority. Ultimately, “crime” (or sin, or injustice, or whatever they’re calling it at any particular moment) is any inconvenience to the power and ambition of the Authoritarian Right.

So in that twisted sense, it’s true.

Padraig Martin #wingnut #sexist #racist #transphobia

When James Madison likely conceived of the amendment idea[…]never likely considered the fact that blacks or women would have an equal say in the electoral process[…]

Debatable. The majority of founders were against slavery, some for economic reasons, some for moral ones; though that didn’t necessarily stop some of them from being hypocrites about it (I’m especially looking at you, Jefferson). It’s not at all clear what they would have expected for black men the in post-slavery era which they hoped would gradually emerge following the 1808 compromise (maybe hints about this exist somewhere in the Federalist Papers or their memoirs, but if so I haven’t heard of it). Which didn’t happen, incidentally, because they predicted neither slave-breeding farms nor the invention of the cotton gin. It’s probably true that they weren’t thinking one way or the other about women though, because AFIK the idea of women voting would have been nearly inconceivable at the time.

Regardless, this has little to nothing to do with why the US Constitution was written the way it was. The primary purpose was to get the 13 states to join together as a single country, and that required a lot of compromises which were perceived as being unworkable in the long run. While some of them expressed discomfort in the idea of their “grandchildren’s generation” being left to fix the messes caused by those compromises, they agreed that there wasn’t any real choice in the matter. The Amendment process was created as one of the bigger tools to fix things.

Gregory Hood #dunning-kruger #racist #wingnut

I’d like to point out that while “hispanic” and “latino” are often used interchangeably, as they are above, and there is some overlap, they’re not quite the same thing. Portuguese-speaking latinos, or those whose parents come from Portuguese-speaking cultures, generally don’t identify as “hispanic” for example.

Russ Winter #wingnut #sexist #conspiracy

A pro-eugenics hot take on the concept of witch hunts is not something I expected to ever read, yet here we are.

Odalys Heredia #ableist #conspiracy #crackpot #fundie #homophobia #transphobia

@Yutolia #143685

That bit about him not being able to function on his own… sometimes parents say this because it’s true. However, sometimes it’s them who actually can’t function without having someone to control and blame for whatever goes wrong.

And occasionally it’s both, usually because the parent’s excessive control (plus sometimes abuse) made it really difficult for them to survive on their own. Those are the real nightmare, and you don’t often hear about such cases because the adult children are too isolated from others to really be noticed.

BondiBlue , OneOddBird & OneStarWolf #transphobia #moonbat

<@KeithInc.> #143723

Um, not how that works. The poorest immigrants leave because their lives are already uprooted, or because they believe they’re in such danger that the severe cost and/or risk of uprooting their lives seems worth it in comparison. People with healthy risk aversion don’t just pack up and leave if they can’t afford it, even if it means a practically guaranteed lower quality of life. The OP isn’t talking about those people (who are not immigrating because their children are trans, unless said children have specifically been marked for death) so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

Matt Walsh #psycho #transphobia #wingnut

Unless you get deplatformed everywhere which matters. In that case, you’re “canceled” if you don’t have the money to be heard or aren’t willing to use it, though at that point it’s a hobby or a cause and not a career, and you might not have a meaningful audience anyway, so “not consenting” would mostly just be obdurate stubbornness at that point.

That being said, as long as someone like, say, Tucker Carlson still has a career, someone like you won’t realistically be canceled to that extent. Sadly.

Mike Stone #racist #sexist #conspiracy #wingnut

It's a word used by mystics and psychics.

It’s a word used in a lot of different contexts for a lot of different things. The general idea behind it is that something is being focused on, or driven/herded to, something/somewhere else, as opposed to being spread out or scattered. The root of the term is Latin cannalis, “groove / pipe” (which in turn came from canna, “cane”, in the sense of the hollow woody stem, not the walking stick originally made from such) which was even later applied to ditches, canals, and natural water channels. And from there applied as a metaphor, either in noun or verb form, for a wide variety of other things. The key imagery is that water is in one place, but it’s being made to flow into another, in a narrow (not necessarily straight) line.

“All things described by words with a mystical definition exist according to the mystical definition in addition to any other meaning” is a particularly bizarre form of equivocation, and a tiny step way from believing that words themselves are magic.

cautiousculpeo #magick

Kerry Cassidy #crackpot #ufo #magick #racist #quack #wingnut #conspiracy

I don’t often comment on these types, but I just realized… implausible conspiracies and pseudoscience can be handwaved away once you get magic involved. With magic, anything is possible. In your imagination, anyway. It’s the Principle of Explosion applied to the real world - once the impossible is permitted, nothing is false.

BondiBlue , OneOddBird & OneStarWolf #transphobia #moonbat

This shows, yet again, that you have no place in the current political spectrum. Sucks to be you, I guess?

it really shows that trans kids and trans healthcare in general is a problem of the bourgeoisie.

If it’s a problem which is inherently solvable, but not realistically due mainly to one’s economic circumstances, then that makes it presently unsolvable, but not any less a problem. You seem to be using the phrase much like people use “first world problems”. It’s true that some things which get called “first world problems” aren’t really problems, just people being entitled and/or petty… but other things which get called that are good problems to have if you must have problems, because at least it doesn’t take a back burner to survival issues.

But even in the latter case it’s virtually always used either as self-depreciative humor, or to be dismissive about other people’s quality of life. And you’re using “problem of the bourgeoisie” to be similarly dismissive…

Heretic #sexist #kinkshaming

Look, here’s how it works for most people: Sex inherently triggers a revulsion response, as part of one’s instincts to protect oneself from disease (body fluids and all that). Unless it’s a form of sex that you like, in which case the revulsion gets partly overridden by your sex drive. Unless you hate the person/people in question, which mostly kills the sex drive aspect. Unless you have a hate-fuck fetish…

A lot of incels try to work themselves into a hating-all-women frenzy in order to kill their sex drive, but seem to mostly end up turning it into a hate-fuck fetish.

Various commenters #transphobia

Unless you know for sure, a trans person’s genital status is speculation.

To the best of my knowledge, it’s true that the majority of trans people don’t get SRS now, because they’re indifferent to their genitals or because they don’t want to take the risk of becoming sexually nonfunctional in some sense. (Or even, on occasion, because they’re some form of non-binary trans.) As these things get better, you’re going to see a lot more people who do get SRS, and even the rare individuals who opt for both sets of genitals. So basically this is a time-sensitive argument; even if it worked now, it’s just a stalling tactic, whether you realize it or not.

@terfforever #transphobia

Let’s pretend for a moment that this is true.

No matter how much that some on the right might portray it as cruel experimentation á la Josef Mengele, a better comparison would be ECT (Electro-Convulsive Therapy, AKA “Shock Treatment”). While largely forgotten today, during my childhood it had a bad reputation, with all the associated horror stories. The truth is that when it saw common use, it was over-prescribed and occasionally inappropriately prescribed. Sometimes it was done incorrectly, especially early on before research got a handle on how to do it properly, resulting in permanent damage and/or trauma. It also didn’t help its reputation that, in the US at least, electrocution was a common form of execution. This still saw use not because doctors were evil bastards (okay, a few isolated cases…) but because sometimes, it worked. Today the things which ECT was used to treat have other, better treatments, but because not everything works the same for everyone, it still exists as a backup option, and is safer than it used to be. Even if this was an ECT-like situation, it’s still the best possible option which currently exists, and the occasional detransitioner horror story isn’t a good enough reason not to make use of it, because it’s also irresponsible to just leave people to suffer and maybe die just because the treatment isn’t ideal.

Of course, this is all pretending that this turns out to be true in some unknown future time. What if it’s not? What if the better treatment isn’t available for centuries, how does it help anyone alive today?

Bennett Lee Ross #crackpot #conspiracy #ufo #magick #quack

Sounds like someone has Capgras delusion (the delusion that people who are close to you have been replaced by duplicates) except for celebrities, on top of the conspiracy theory stuff. Regardless, please get help.

Benjamin Fulford #conspiracy #ufo #wingnut #racist

China does not need the influence of a global cabal to have a repressive authoritarian government. They have a very long history of managing to do that just fine on their own.

Matt Walsh #transphobia

I have no interest in seeing his “documentary”, but from what I’ve heard it’s just generic conservative pseudo-documentary tripe: It specifically seeks out confirmation for the chosen narrative (regardless of whether the narrative actually makes the intended point, which they are also bad at), and if they accidentally film something which doesn’t, it gets cut. To be fair it’s not just political conservatives which do this; there’s also conspiracy theorists.

Matt Walsh & Various commenters #transphobia

We’ve caught the Left off guard with our assault on gender ideology.

Ha ha ha ha. Oh wait, you were serious. Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I mean, there were people who hoped that the resistance would be less, or the battle would be easier, or that at least some trans issues could skate their way through while conservatives were pinned down on the same-sex marriage issue, but nobody was expecting a cakewalk. Also, your use of the phrase “gender ideology” strongly suggests that you barely understand the battle you’re fighting.

The first resistance to gender ideology came from the feminist left.

Unless you’re going all the way back to the mid-1980s or earlier, TERFs barely count as “feminist” and aren’t meaningfully “left”.

Many gay men and lesbians oppose it.

You mean the ones which live in log cabins, or the ones which largely failed to make an alliance with bisexuals?

Muhoozi Kainerugaba #wingnut

So… you’re threatening to invade Italy… or possibly stupider, the no-longer-extant city-state of Rome… if they don’t shotgun marriage you to one of their prominent politicians, who is incidentally already in a relationship¹? And also Italy is a member of NATO, which would bring the wrath of NATO down on Uganda? I know that “clown” is overused these days, but this guy is more deserving of the title than most.

¹Not married, but has a daughter with her long-time boyfriend. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t even check whether she was married. Not that he should be blackmailing *any* woman into marriage, but still a cherry on top of this circus cake.

Christopher F. Rufo #transphobia #kinkshaming

There have been very rare occasions when trans people have gotten some kind of surgical procedure as young as 16, but even where this is legal, it’s very rare. Meanwhile I’ve yet to see a peep out of conservatives for wealthy families gifting boob jobs for a 16-year-old’s birthday.

I mean, this is something which has been hammered by people here a million times already, but it needs to be repeated.

ProxyMusic #interphobia

CAIS = Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. You’d think the name would be a hint.

Incidentally it’s also considered a form of intersex.

Jesse Lee Peterson #racist #wingnut

This is the version of Critical Race Theory put forward by Chris Rufo: Some white people in the past did a bad, so white kids today would have a sad. Therefore we must protect the kiddies by rewriting history, and then accuse anyone who corrects us of being the real history rewriters. Which is not remotely a new idea, because conservatives rarely come up with anything original.

Boris Korchevnikov #elitist #fundie #crackpot #psycho #wingnut

“The dog runs for its dinner; the rabbit runs for its life.” Russia is not the rabbit in this situation.

@DragonKitigan #transphobia

You know, for awhile there was a straight version of those hashtags - #TomboyGenocide. The root of this is the idea that big pharma or the church of woke or whoever is transing the gender nonconforming - tomboys, femboys, butch dykes, twinks - leaving fewer of those people in their related subcultures (or fewer of them to serve as fetish objects). The “death” here is metaphorical, but meant to imply that their absence hurts.

Which is kind of dumb. Trans people who had no hope of transition sometimes took up gender non-conforming identities as a sort of compromise; most of them never truly belonged. And it’s not like those identities are shrinking much if at all; the trans people who never truly belonged are being replaced by people who in the past wouldn’t have dared to claim those identities.

I can sort of understand “losing” a celebrity who was an icon for your identity (for example, the way Elliot Page was for some lesbians), or on a smaller scale, a local community leader, but that still strikes me as rather shallow. There’s a person behind the icon, and people can change.

CPAC #psycho #racist #wingnut #mammon

Most of the “America First” types were cheering on both of the Iraq wars, so their isolationism, if genuine, is weirdly narrow in definition and focus. (I suspect that at least some of them are not genuine and are actually just pro-Russia.)

Servant of the Lord #fundie #conspiracy #crackpot

Bad dreams are normally reflections of your personal anxieties and/or fears, not reality. On the occasions where they do reflect reality, it’s either because it turns out your anxieties and/or fears were justified, or because your subconscious noticed something which your conscious mind failed to (or rejected so hard that you forgot). However, all of them, even particularly vivid ones, are generally wrong - and when they’re right, they’re sometimes right for the wrong reasons.

Like, even if your child does randomly turn into a cyborg or whatever that’s a subconscious metaphor for, the fact that it’s not visibly or significantly happening to other people makes it an extremely weak reason to blame vaccines.

International Chrysotile Association #dunning-kruger #mammon #pratt #crackpot

I had to look this up to make sure there’s actually something wrong with this (geology/mineralogy isn’t an area where I know much) and yep, there totally is.

Asbestos specifically refers to a type of rock (technically, “mineral” refers to a pure or near-pure substance, while “rock” is a mixed substance) which is high in chrysotile. The [formerly] commercially useful form of asbestos has a fiberglass-like structure and was used for the same purposes, but unlike fiberglass it’s prone to crumbling into lung-shredding glass dust, which is why it’s no longer used. Also, the chrysotile *is* the primarily damaging part of that dust.

There *are* some safe uses for pure chrysotile, but it requires using (or converting it to) a different form which cannot meaningfully be called “asbestos”. And some of the even older uses of asbestos/chrysotile weren’t actually safe, but nobody really noticed because very few people were exposed to it to any significant degree. So basically this is all semantics, and dangerously incorrect semantics at that.

Connie Johnson Waterman #wingnut

I’m wondering what you think counts as “moderate”. The moderate left, most centrists, and even at least a little of the moderate right don’t have much of an issue with trans people living their lives anymore, it’s just that some of them might be okay with throwing trans people halfway under the bus for another generation if it means that people like you will shut up about it. Anyone who’s been paying attention to politics in recent years knows damn well that you probably wouldn’t shut up until you either get your whole agenda forced through or you’re crushed utterly.

Genetic Error #racist #sexist

Samuel Alito #wingnut #elitist #dunning-kruger #god-complex #quack

Oh, I have no doubt that Alito himself has “integrity”, from a certain perspective. He’s hardly been secretive about his beliefs, or that given a chance, he would elevate them above popularity, practicality, and jurisprudence. So he’s honest, consistent, and walks the walk, which is a valid concept of “having integrity”.

The court itself is another matter. Upending long-standing precedents based on the whims of a shrinking minority, bringing chaos to the legal system as a result, isn’t “integrity” by any stretch of the imagination.

Edward Menez #racist #fundie #crackpot #conspiracy

I wonder. Why does the bible “state 30 times” that the Earth doesn’t move? I suspect that it doesn’t really say it that many times (though I may be wrong, it’s been a long time since I read it) but rather the majority of those 30 times are just passages taken as evidence that it doesn’t move by people who don’t want to believe that it does.

Regardless, taking it at face value, why would it be needed to be stated so many times? Were there ancient Middle Eastern astronomers who suspected or even proved that the Earth was spinning? That would be an interesting historical footnote if so.

Taki #wingnut #racist #sexist #elitist

My suggestion is that American ladies all become lesbians and get it over with.

Pretending to be a lesbian or actually being a lesbian is no protection from being aggressively being hit on by unhygienic losers (regardless of penis size) who, in my experience, are very rarely liberals, despite your insinuations. So being a mix of smarmy, patronizing, and incorrect, why should any woman (or anyone) care to listen to you?

Got Questions #fundie #enbyphobia #transphobia

@Vgal #142396

More specifically: There’s gender (who you are), gender identity (who you would openly exist as, given any choice in the matter), gender presentation (how you dress/act relative to your culture’s gender norms), gender role (how you participate in family/culture/society relative to gender norms). Though the first two and last two are often conflated, and traditional conservatives conflate all four as one and the same.

Gender norms aren’t actually bad, per se. While they’re ultimately arbitrary, some people do function better when given a clear “default” template to build on or change if needed, rather than to figure themselves out from scratch. The problem is when you censor and punish alternatives. Of course, being arbitrary, there’s no reason why we should allow tradcons to bake gender supremacy into it. Or for that matter, there’s no reason beyond bioessentialism and/or gender supremacy why there has to be only two sets of norms.

(Yeah, I know that they’re going to claim that bioessentialism and gender supremacy are God’s will. I assume that most or all of us here live in secular societies where that’s not a useful argument.)

gender-reality is looked upon with disdain,

As usual, you misunderstand. No one is going to look down on you for engaging in “classical” gender presentation, however you conceptualize that. No one is going to look down on you for having the gender which matches your birth sex. What people *will* look down on you for is trying to police other people for those things.

Yes, I’m aware that your version of Christianity says that you must police other people’s choices and behavior, even if they’re not of your religion. You can still do that, *to a point*, it’s just that the cost for doing so is now harsher and more obvious.

Richard Hanania #ableist #dunning-kruger #elitist #homophobia #pratt

real_feminist & madderthanhell #transphobia

Too conservative in the areas which matter most to liberals, too liberal in the areas which matter most to conservatives, too radical for centrists, you have no real place in the political landscape. I’d find that sort of situation sad and sympathetic in the abstract, but when your main shtick is speaking on behalf of a broader group who mostly doesn’t want you speaking for them and oppressing a minority, you’ve lost me.

Mike Adams the Health Ranger #wingnut #psycho #conspiracy

Okay, I found the source of this stupidity (though I wasn’t specifically looking for it). Friedrich Merz, the leader of Germany’s Christian Democratic Union Party, stated that “September 24th” would be a day to remember. He misspoke; he meant to say “February 24th”, the day Russia invaded Ukraine. There was rampant speculation among Q-anoners what was going to happen today, and at some point, some of these idiots decided that it was actually a reference to a recent Simpsons episode (Season 24, episode 9) which involved survivalists preparing for the end of the world, and WWIII flowed from that. In case you needed more reminder how fucked in the head some of these people are.

NATO leaders are openly demanding the complete destruction of Russia and the occupation / exploitation of Russia’s natural resources,

Citation needed. I’m guessing that this is either propaganda (either from the Russian government, or from you) or it’s a severe distortion of what one person said.

Erich von Däniken #dunning-kruger #conspiracy #pratt #crackpot

You aren’t even talking about evolution. You’re talking about physics and biochemistry. With physics, we know that we still haven’t discovered a model which perfectly lines up with everything, and with biochemistry, well, that leans heavily on physics. Regardless, “intelligent design” is not an answer, it’s a reason to stop looking for answers. And not even a very good reason.

mathlover & WholeGrain #transphobia

I checked and it turns out that “L with the T” is a London-based organization founded in 2018 and run by lesbian allies. It’s about showing solidarity and countering the messages put out by UK TERFs, not about feeding cis lesbian victims to trans women predators, or whatever they’re imagining.

Various commenters #wingnut

I mean, they might “win” in a small number of highly theocratic nations (by preserving laws and traditions which always existed there), and if micronations and special autonomous providences become more common, they might be able to migrate to those, but despite the current political situations in the US and Poland the general social trend is still going the other way, even within those countries.

Also, given that anti-abortionists are almost entirely conservative, and conservatives tend to support all of those “wrong side of history” things mentioned above (inb4 they claim the Nazis or 1800s Democrats were left-wing) [edit: oh wait they already did the latter], either this bunch is very unusual or they’re being disingenuous.

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@cejacksonlaw #enbyphobia #transphobia

I’m going to guess that this is the same sort of black-and-white thinking that fuels a lot of biphobia: You’re either gay or straight, no in between (not that most bi people see themselves as “in between”, exactly). You’re either “normal” or trans, no in between… but after that they conflate transgender and transhuman and display a general hostility to non-cis identities, so I’m not sure what’s going on there.

Parents with Inconvenient Truths About Trans #transphobia #conspiracy

Trans activists and older trans women are often the source of the information our boys get online about all things trans.

Who else would you expect them to get it from? People who make random shit up? Like you? Oh okay I get it now.

Rod Fleming #sexist #transphobia

Because it needs to be restated every now and again: AGP (Autogynophilia) is not a medical diagnosis. Rather it conceptually exists for the sole purpose to shoehorn into circular logic arguments: AGP only makes sense from the perspective that the person in question is a man (otherwise a lot of cis women also have AGP, suggesting that those women are also men), so that a “diagnosis” of AGP allows one to conclude that someone is a man based on the premise that they are a man.

“Autoandrophobia” is a similar circular-logic enabler, with the main difference is that the supposed effect comes from without rather than within (or at least, I’ve never seen anyone blame AGP on society or the media). But regardless, citation fucking needed. You need to prove it exists in a meaningful fashion, otherwise it’s speculation, not evidence. Also circular logic arguments are pretty useless, so you would need to find a way to move beyond that as well.

National Socialist Movement #dunning-kruger #racist

If I were inclined to pick my partners based on appearance, and not personality traits (submissiveness being the main one) then I’d tend to go for mixed-race people, personally, despite being white myself. But I don’t, because honestly I consider appearance to be largely irrelevant. Hell, despite being straight-ish, even physical sex or gender doesn’t matter all that much. I don’t understand that sort of superficiality even when someone isn’t mistaking their own preference for a universal one.

divinedionne #transphobia #enbyphobia #fundie #pratt

You’re conflating “woman” with “femininity”. Not everyone does this, and not all women identify as feminine. Tomboys and butches exist.