#homophobia

All about the Gay Agenda

Alex Jones #conspiracy #homophobia youtube.com

(Transscript of video)
In the interval [?] the Pentagon just tested a gay bomb on Iraq, they considered it, they didn’t [?] consider using it, they used it on our troops, in Vietnam, they sprayed PCP on our troops - Jacob’s Ladder - ha - you think PCP - some horse tranquilizers or something? They got some stuff that’ll whack your brain permanently.
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Brain chips in the troops. They give the troops special vaccines that really [?] nanotech that auto[?]-re-engineers their brains.
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Now there is the gay bomb.
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Look it up for yourself, this is what do you think tap water is, it’s a gay bomb, baby.
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And I’m not saying people didn’t naturally have homosexual feelings, I’m not even getting into it, quite frankly, give me a break. You think I… I’m, like, shocked by it [?] [incomprehensible] bashing it because I don’t like gay people. I DON’T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER! THEY TURN THE FRICKING FROGS GAY!
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Do you understand that?
Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! [bangs paper on table]
Crap!
I’m sick of being socially engineered! It’s not funny!

Marc #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

I’d first love to correct several blatant misreadings of Scripture, not for the sake of the Wannabe Gay Marriage Debate, but for the sake of Scripture, which deserves better.

1. “Jesus never uttered a word about same-sex relationships.”

True. Nor did he utter a word about rape. Or genocide. Or running a crystal meth lab. Or suicide. Or pedophilia. To assume a man’s approval of everything he doesn’t mention is silliness to the highest degree.

2. “The original language of the N.T. actually refers to male prostitution, molestation, or promiscuity, not committed same-sex relationships.”

Well, I guess we can just look at the New Testament for this one:

“Claiming to be wise, they became fools; and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.”

Now it’s true that Paul wasn’t speaking of the committed homosexual relationships we speak of today, primarily because the idea of a homosexual relationship would have made no sense to the Apostle. That a man is defined as a homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual is a modern concept. For the Ancient World, homosexuality was an act performed, not a life lived, and certainly not the summative feature of your being. The idea of two men proclaiming “We are homosexuals, and we are in a committed relationship,” would have been utterly foreign to Paul.

Unfortunately, Paul’s claims cannot be dismissed on that basis, as the Apostle makes abundantly clear that homosexual acts are contrary to the natural law. Not homosexuality, but homosexual acts: “Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.”

To explain what he’s talking about, we must understand his premise: Humans are meant to be happy. Good actions will ultimately make human beings happy, bad actions won’t. If an action is seen to be detrimental to the human person — that is, if it ultimately leads to unhappiness — then that action can be defined as contrary to our nature, and thus sinful.

This is what Paul refers to when he speaks of an act being “unnatural.” He does not use the modern sense of the word, which seems to define the “natural” as “that which has been observed to take place in the Jungle.” He uses the word “natural” in the philosophical sense, that which is aligned with human nature — that which makes humans happy.

(And to be clear, this idea takes for granted that many of the acts we spend our lives pretending make us happy do not. We might say that binge eating makes us happy, but ultimately it won’t — it brings pleasure, but it is detrimental to the human person. A man who sleeps around and must satisfy his every urge might say that he is “happy” with his life, but in reality he has made his “happiness” dependent upon having his urges satisfied. He is not happy in and of himself. So to the claim that drugs make us happy. They do not. They bring us pleasure, and they make our happiness dependent on them — again, we are not happy in and of ourselves.)

So when Paul says that men and women committed “unnatural” homosexual acts and “received in their own persons the due penalty for their error,” his claim is quite simple. The punishment for a wrong act is not God all up and smiting you from the sky. The punishment is naturally received within the human person. The homosexual act works against a human being’s natural end of happiness, and thus the human suffers for it. It’d be interesting to know if Paul was aware of what we are aware of today, that those performing homosexual acts are at greater risk for unhappiness, a risk that has not been directly associated with intolerance or hatred.

If what I say is true, that Paul is claiming that the homosexual act itself is contrary to the natural law, it does not seem reasonable claim to make, that he would have spoken differently were that act contained in a committed relationship.

But our graphic-maker covers his tracks on this one, by saying:

3. “Paul may have spoken against homosexuality, but he also said that women should be silent and never assume authority over a man.”

I would simply note the difference in quality with which these different words of Paul were made. In the former, which we have just discussed, Paul appears to be pointing out an act that is inherently detrimental to the human person. This is not something subject to change-over-time or an evolution of understanding or modern reinterpretation. In the latter, the author is referencing two different passages. The first is from Paul’s letter to the Ephesians:

“Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

What Paul is saying is clear: Wives submit to your husbands, husbands offer up your life and die for your wives, as Christ did for the Church. I understand that this rings harsh and alien in the secular ear — that authority within a marriage is not a 50/50 split, but the meeting of two distinct, gender-specific, and equally difficult duties — but I cannot apologize for it, other than to say that the secular world is wrong about marriage.

As to women remaining silent:

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

This passage is subject to change over time, as it is contained within Paul’s instruction on public worship which similarly — though not in substance — changed over time. This might be a problem to the Literalist Christian, but not to the Catholic, who with Pope Benedict can assert that the Paul’s passage must “be relativized.” Again, this is not the case with Paul’s assertion that homosexual acts are inherently detrimental to the human person.

4. “The Bible defines marriage as One Man Many Women, One Man Many Wives and Concubines, A Rapist and His Victim, and a Conquering Solider and a Female Prisoner of War.”

This is a prime example of the secular mind putting way more faith and trust in the Bible than the Christian is ever called to. The Bible is a library of history, storytelling, poetry, letters, and biographies: Something appearing in the Bible does not indicate that God endorses that practice. The only practices endorsed by God are — wait for it — those which we are told are endorsed by God.

More importantly, we need to look at the context. The Old Testament is fulfilled by the New. From Matthew 19:

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.”

Jesus says that it is for the very reason of maleness and femaleness that “the two will become one flesh.” He then says that the marriage rites established by Moses — which include divorce, polygamy, concubinage, etc. — were not condoned by God, but allowed for a time because of the hardness of their hearts, a time that Christ announces is over. Welcome to now. To ignore this and imply that because all sorts of immoral craziness happens in the Old Testament gay marriage should be considered a-ok, well, it’s a stretch.

Alright, those are the main ones. Now allow me to mention the real problem.

No one is claiming that because homosexuality is sinful, homosexual marriage shouldn’t exist. If marriage was an institution designated for the sinless there wouldn’t be marriages at all, for we have all sinned and fallen short. This graphic exemplifies a terrifying insistence within this “debate” — to argue on the most idiotic level possible. Ignoring the question of whether marriage is a definite Thing with a raison d’etre or a blank for us to fill, we waste our time with Scripture we don’t bother to understand, brushing the world and our intellects with varying shades of stupid.

StarDotJPG #fundie #homophobia pokemontruth.blogspot.com

Pokédex of EVIL: Mr. Mime
The Pokédex of EVIL is a breakdown of various Pokémon, explaining why each and every one of them is a TOOL of SATAN!

Today's entry: Mr. Mime (and Mime Jr.)

Well, SATAN-INTENDO has really done it this time! I stopped updating this blog years ago, thinking I had made my case, but it turns out I was overlooking something far more SINISTER going on. Pokémon is making an attempt (and succeeding!) at brainwashing America's children with the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA, and this SATANIC MIME is PROOF!

Don't understand? I'll explain.

Mr. Mime is a Pokémon who has been around since the SATANIC BRAINWASHING CULT known as Pokémon began. His human appearance indicates that he is intended to be a role model for children. Children can identify with Mr. Mime, and that's exactly what OBUMMER WANTS THEM TO DO!

Up until this point, Mr. Mime has appeared somewhat benign. He has horns, but he didn't have any other readily apparent faults. Perhaps he was included as a red herring? A Pokémon who existed to throw us TRUTH-SEEKERS off the scent? No, it is far worse than that. Mr. Mime was a SLEEPER AGENT for the HEDONISTIC LIFESTYLE of the HOMOSEXUALS, and he's teaching YOUR CHILDREN to do the same!

It recently came to my attention that, despite numerous protests and letters which I sent to Nintendo IN THE NAME OF CHRIST, they refuse to cease their sinful actions and stop all production of Pokémon games. In these new games, Pokémon X and Y, a new Pokémon “element” was added. Fairy-type. Start to understand the bigger picture now? The SOCIALISTS working for Nintendo have begun calling homosexuals an element, a FUNDAMENTAL BUILDING BLOCK of the world, like fire, water and ghosts are!

At this point, it was also revealed that Mr. Mime himself was a Fairy-type (code for HOMOSEXUAL) also. He is teaching children to not only ACCEPT homosexuals, but also to MIMIC them, as one of Mr. Mime's abilities allows him to mimic others around him. And what's more, in order for a Mime Jr. to achieve the more powerful form of Mr. Mime, he must LEARN THE MOVE CALLED MIMIC! He learns how to become gay by copying the WAYS OF THE WORLD instead of the PATH OF GOD! Mark my words, it will not be long before America's children all become homosexuals. I just hope they find a priest before they find a roving band of HOMOSEXUAL THUGS.

Mr. Mime learns a move called CONFUSION, in which he tries to turn others away from GOD and force them to have HOMOSEXUAL THOUGHTS. He also learns moves like TRICK and ROLE PLAY. I think you can guess what those moves are intended to teach children who have been BRAINWASHED into the POKÉMON CULT.

Even worse is another Pokémon who was recently revealed to be a Fairy-type is Gardevoir. This Pokémon has a feminine hairstyle and wears a dress, even if it is male! This type of perversion and trickery is of SATAN HIMSELF. I can't tell you how many times I have found an image of a Gardevoir with a penis while doing research for this article. It is DISGUSTING!

Stay away from Pokémon, ESPECIALLY FAIRY-TYPES, if you value your eternal soul!


God bless you all!

savagesusie #fundie #homophobia freerepublic.com

Sodomites like Rubio are immoral and do vile, evil things to others as habits. Willful turning their backs on God’s Laws. He flaunts satanism inside his little coven.

Rubio is an easy “bot” for the vile satanists, who are all sodomites. They “think” of others in very sick, degrading, vile ways, so it shouldn’t surprise you that homosexuals always are the front of all fascist evil movements, like the Bolsheviks, the Brownshirts, and Man/Boy “Love” movements and Serial Killers. (Hari/Lively).

Vice breeds vice always and they will do the most demeaning vile things to others. There is no “morality” possible with such behaviors and “thinking”/desires. There is no possibility of a Christian worldview unless they are actively suppressing and condemning the behaviors. Rubio “loves” the vile concept of homosexual “marriage” and promotes sodomy to his children. He is sick.

Watchman JERRY #fundie #homophobia wnd.com

Yes they, we need something as Hurricane Katrina which hit on the very day the Queers boasted that not even God could stop their week long sexcapades they were about to under take. God did stop it but it did not teach these slow learners much about Gods Rules to live by or they just like suffering.

Dean #homophobia #crackpot aljazeera.com

[North Korean missile test to celebrate Kim Il-Sung's birthday]

US is a nation of proven h'omos and it has been scientifically proven that 70% of US cowards have fa'ggot genes. Even all the Hollywood "cowboys" were bareback brokeback h'omos and nothing can whitewash that fact. US is a loser and Brother Kim is giving a permanent enema.US h'omos can't fight even other fa'ggots with claws ROFLMAO!

Oboehner #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

Gay sex is a mutual abuse. Consent means absolutely nothing except in a court of law, it doesn't change the fact gay is a mental disorder.

"you're actually talking about sodomy, or if you're talking about homosexuality. They are entirely different, and you know this."

You're ignorance is showing again, 99.9% of gay men engage in it repeatedly - or are you going to deny this?

"You can't stop people from having sexual relations"

I don't have to accept it, you can't stop people from murdering each other and I don't have to accept that either. Gay male promiscuity leaves heteros in the dust - because of their sexual addiction, it's consumes them just like drugs consume the drug addict.

"The Ellen stereotype is just downright offensive"

Ellen is offensive (but that's another topic) does she or does she not have butch hair and dress like a man? I have seen countless gay couples that have a female role and a male role, a vast majority of them in fact.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia #sexist jesusisprecious.org

The only reason why the compromised Boy Scouts voted to allow churches to ban queer Scout Leaders is because most of the churches would have rightfully kicked the Boy Scouts out of their church! Tragically (and any spiritually discerning pastor fully realizes this), this is just a foot in the door for homosexuals in the Boy Scouts. Eventually, when the country has sunk even lower into sodomy and filth, they'll allow gays everywhere! The only BOY SCOUTS ladies and gentleman are the pederasts scouting for your sons to sodomize!!! PLEASE BAN THE BOY SCOUTS!!! They are a wicked organization that cater to agendas and have no fear of God. THEY HAVE NO TESTICLES!!! Is that what you want your sons to become... Cowardly yellow chickens like the Boy Scout organization???!!!

Do you know what really creeped me out this week. I knew that singer Barry Manilow was a lifelong atheist. I learned not too long ago that he's also been a homosexual since his youth. I had heard that he married his longtime friend and manager, another man! But what creeped me out was learning that Barry Manilow is the female in their same-sex union! There's pictures online of Barry dressed in drag. It's sick. Perhaps you didn't know this, but one homosexual always assumes the role of the male and the other the female. One takes a dominant role, and the other submissive. This is true of lesbians and sodomites! In the case of two lesbians, one will assume the masculine male role, which is what Rachel Maddow is—a dyke! This is why it is sometimes difficult to tell if someone is a homosexual, because a man who assumes the male role in the same-sex union will still appear manly, like Rock Hutson, George H. Bush and Ronald Reagan. The Bible teaches that homosexuals and the righteous will never co-exist in harmony. Proverbs 29:27, “An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.”

The liberals, queers and kooks condemn us fundamental Christians as “hate-mongers” for agreeing with God that homosexuality is a sin, abnormal and vile (Romans 1:24-32). I'm not condemning anyone, the Holy Bible condemn all of us as woeful sinners (Romans 3:23)!!! I'm upset and angry that homosexuals are forcing their sick perversion on America's children!!! GAY IS NOT OK! The King James Bible, which is the inspired Word of God, condemns and forbids the sin of homosexuality. Taylor Swift is doing her part to help the queer agenda, defiant against a holy God!!! We are hated here on earth by the wicked, but beloved of our heavenly Father, Oh Christians! Jesus is coming soon!

eGremlin #homophobia sheekyforums.com

It's not enough to just jail these people.

They actively participate in what could only be called a death cult, exchanging unsanitary bodily fluids like semen, shit, blood which contain multiple strains of STI's as well as multiple strains of HIV like this poster mentioned:

They are walking human petri dishes and are as about responsible as a pig farmer feeding their pigs random birds he picks up off the ground which is situated in a batcave.

inb4 muh freedom or muh statist

When your four year old is chocking on her own bloody vomit from some plague that wafted out of the ass of some faggot, you tell me how those "non aggression" principles are working out for ya.

pic very much related(Nurgle Lord of disease)

CrytotheKingofKings #homophobia imdb.com

Rectal Sex: Surveys indicate that about 90% of gays have engaged in rectal intercourse, and about two-thirds do it regularly.22 In a 6-month long study of daily sexual diaries,23 gays averaged 110 sex partners and 68 rectal encounters a year.

Rectal sex is dangerous. During rectal intercourse, the rectum becomes a mixing bowl for

saliva and its germs and/or an artificial lubricant,
the recipient’s own feces,
whatever germs, infections or substances the penis has on it, and
the seminal fluid of the inserter.

Sperm, which is immunocompromising24, readily penetrate the rectal lining (which is only one cell thick), and tearing or bruising of the anal wall is very common during anal/penile sex. Because of this, these substances gain almost direct access to the blood stream. Unlike heterosexual intercourse — in which sperm cannot penetrate the multilayered vagina and no feces are present — rectal intercourse is probably the most sexually efficient way to spread hepatitis B, HIV, syphilis, and a host of other blood-borne diseases.

Corey & Holmes (1980) Sexual transmission of Hepatitis A in homosexual men. New England J Medicine 302:435-38 ?
Manligit, et al (1984) Chronic immune stimulation by sperm alloantigens. J American Medical Assoc 251:237-38; Mulhall, et al (1990) Anti-sperm antibodies in homosexual men. Genitourinary Medicine 66:5-7; Ratnam KV (1994) Effect of sexual practices on T cell subsets. Intl J of STDs and AIDS 5:257-61 ?

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/medical-consequences-of-what-homosexuals-do/

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia #conspiracy dividedbytruth.org

Satanic Cults Which Control Society Are Steeped In Sexual Lust

Our nation's dilemmas go way back to the very beginnings of our nation, when the Christian people tolerated Freemasons establishing our government. We ought to run those satanists out of town! Freemasonry is of the Devil, an organization within an organization, intended to deceive their members. At the highest degrees of enlightenment within their esoteric group, they worship Baphomet (Lucifer, the Beast). Our nation was doomed from the very beginning, because God will not bless Freemasonry, a false religion that worships "The Great Architect" instead of Jesus Christ. Freemasons claim that the issue of God is so delicate that they prefer to refer to the multiple member's individual faith's collectively as "The Great Architect" (which includes unbelieving Muslims, demonic Mormons and Christ-rejecting Judaizers). The Bible warns that there is no agreement between light and dark, good and evil, God and Satan (2nd Corinthians 6:16).

Research and you will find quickly that Freemasons are behind America's evils. Freemasons are synonymous with Jewish Zionism. They control Washington D.C., the schools, the courts, the military, the newsmedia and our economy. Hollywood is the Jewish propaganda Mecca of the world, distributing sexual immorality, violence, homosexual perversion, Homeland Security brainwashing and blasphemy against the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no greater an evil perpetrator of lust, perversion, sexual lasciviousness than Hollywood and the television networks!!! SEX SELLS! Woe unto the wicked!

Freemasonry's official logo of a carpenter's square and compass are sexual symbols, evidenced by the way they are positioned upon each other. The Washington Monument, which stands 555.5 feet (6666 inches) tall and 55.5 feet (666 inches) wide is a sexual symbol of the male phallus. America's leaders are steeped in sexually depraved satanic cults. Bohemian Grove is infamous for homosexual male prostitutes, as evidenced by U.S. President Richard Nixon while visiting. Both George Bush Sr. and Jr. are infamous homosexuals, as was Ronald Reagan (aka, "Rainbow Ronnie"). God deliver our nation from gigolo presidents, homosexuals and child molesters at the helm of our country's White House. Criminals have hi-jacked our nation. Truthfully, God has given to America the incompetent, criminal and shameful presidents THAT WE DESERVE. Our leaders rise from the base of our society, whose most basic structural unit is THE FAMILY. That cursed television in nearly everyone's home is a propaganda device used to indoctrinate and brainwash society, and it is far more effective for Satan than America's church pulpits at influencing people's lives. Mankind always gravitates toward evil, because that's our human nature.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Absolutely. There is no problem with gay people having good relationships with people of the same sex whom they love, as long as they don’t engage in sexual acts. God created male and female and it was good. Homosexuality is one result of man’s rebellion against God. It is not good. Yes as you say we should be compassionate; the problem comes when you have a communion service, and the priest knows that a member coming for communion is a practicing homosexual. If someone is living in defiance of God’s moral law (eg having an affair), the priest may refuse them communion. This is why it is important to be clear about what the Bible says. The priest is actually doing a more loving thing by not giving them communion because if he did he would be encouraging them to continue to sin, so their soul would not be saved.

Dean Hinnen #wingnut #homophobia npr.org

If you really, really want to be stalked hard, explain to them with facts and figures (A) why Obama is completely incompetent, (B) why Cruz is going to be the next president, and (C) how he's going to repair all the damage that Obama has done.

Stick to the facts. It doesn't matter whether you know it's true. You have to be able to prove it to the most hard-headed, obstinate, Fox News-hating left-wing partisan on the Internet. Otherwise, don't say it. The facts are sufficiently humiliating to get them really, really stirred up. Using terms such as "American Taliban" and "Christian Sharia Law" brings new depth and dimension to words like "hysteria," "hyperbole," and "histrionics."

The real Taliban, according to real Sharia Law, executes homosexuals for being homosexual. With Christians you have a difference of opinion about public policy. No executions or other physical harm or criminal penalty has been suggested by anyone, except by the extreme, hate-filled left-wing fringe.

Oboehner #fundie #homophobia #wingnut christiannews.net

Oboehner:
Why do sexual deviants have rights, yet anyone else (even when protected specifically by the Constitution) have none?

bill@19D:
who does not have rights here? if the business had turned away a couple because they were christian or because they were an inter-racial couple, or because they were heterosexual the exact same protections would have come into play. so same-sex couple are protected under the same protections that exist for others.

on the other hand there is nothing in the Constitution that allows business that offer a service to the public to discriminate.

Oboehner:
The right to practice one's religion anyone? If a PRIVATELY owned business wishes to refuse service to anyone for any reason it should be their right, it's not like it was a matter of life and death, the sodomites could have gone elsewhere to celebrate their deviance.

Ambulance Chaser:
Well, the law doesn't see it that way. Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States, 379 U.S. 241 (1964)

Oboehner:
You mean a court opinion doesn't see it that way, the First Amendment does however.

Ambulance Chaser:
The courts' interpretation of the First Amendment is law, not yours.

Oboehner:
The First Amendment is law, not an opinion. The court's can only strike down new legislation based on the Constitution, which in turn can be overruled through our system of checks and balances.

UliJonHoth #homophobia bitcointalk.org

Funny that we were having this discussion in this thread regarding homosexuality caused by being molested and I received a call last night from an old friend I've had since high school. He called to tell me that our mutual friend recently contacted him and asked him to come over to talk. This friend's dad was a closeted homosexual and we all knew it growing-up but no one ever spoke of it, it turns out our mutual friend had been molested several times over the years of his childhood by his father and he recently confronted the bastard and told him he would have no further contact with him. This person is now in his early 40s and married with two children but says being molested as a child by his father has nearly driven him mad, he expressed that he was afraid to tell any of us as we'd probably think he was also gay which was actually never the case but I personally can't imagine having to endure what he did and living day-to-day with those hellish memories. This is my problem with gays wanting to adopt children, I could care less what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their home, but when it involves children and those children are molested or exposed to depravity, the line must be drawn.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

So you have, I am sorry to hear about your experience. I have had an experience with a homosexual that was probably as bad. This guy befriended me at a church when I was new to the area. Not knowing his sexuality I thought him very pleasant, and was intrigued that someone could be so friendly. Well, eventually we discussed relationships, and he told me about a previous one he had had, and that it was with a man. My approach as a Christian was to stay friends with him but make it clear that I believed that was wrong. His approach was to get me in a headlock and force me to say it is not wrong.
Homosexuals are not harmless, they are mentally ill and can be dangerous, just like pedophiles. Read the account of Sodom and Gomorrah for more evidence.
Regarding their rehabilitation. If I had continued to live near to this person I hope I would have forgiven him and remained friends. As it was I moved away and didn't want to stay in contact. However, I know a chap who has had homosexual attraction but is a Christian and has coped with it while remaining celibate. This is due to support from his church. I do not know any pedophiles, but have read an article online written by one, who claims he is also celibate and never molests children. I will try and find a link. But people here who claim all pedophiles do not want to be cured are clearly wrong; neither do they know the power of prayer.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

This is in line with the thread topic, because I am thinking in the context of Christian families who care about the people in society and are willing to take risks in order to help them. As an example, a few male friends who shared a house together took in someone who was an alcoholic. They let him live in their house and encouraged him for some time and he gradually got back into work and living a normal life. If someone can come off alcohol or drugs, then surely a person with homosexual or pedophile-type tendencies can be turned around if they express a desire to do so.
There was something on the news recently about the Spanish prison system. They have much better facilities for rehabilitation, and a much lower proportion of those released re-offend than in Britain.
I guess what I want to get across is that when a person loses something they think of as part of them, for example the freedom to express the desire to molest children (it being illegal), they need something to fill that hole. It can be a hobby or a friendship, something to take away the urges. Sometimes they will surface again but over time an offender can learn how to deal with unwanted desires and live a healthy lifestyle.
In churches where there is real conviction that homosexuality is against God's will, you will find individuals with the gift of helping people struggling in that area; they know how to support them, pray for them and help them change their lifestyle. A lot of it is about not being judgmental when they sometimes fall back into it, recognizing that change doesn't happen overnight.
You said, "How can any of that compare to homosexual relationships between consenting adults?  It is rather an insulting comparison in my opinion."
It depends on what you read. I have found literature which tells a different story about homosexual lifestyles from what one normally hears. You just have to read Shaker's post above to see that he is unwilling to see anything negative about them, or admit that they cause harm. Personally, one look at the biological evidence makes it quite clear that homosexual sex is nothing other than destructive.
We will see eventually whether or not the West's acceptance of homosexuality makes it stronger. It has been interesting to see how the USA and NATO were powerless to do anything about Russia's recent involvement in Syria.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Yes I was thinking out loud. Perhaps not with the view to an eventual marriage, then. Except in cases where the child is sexually mature but not old enough by law to marry.

In the case I suggested, it wouldn't be with a view to future marriage, then, and the child wouldn't be told about the pedophile's condition. Forming a friendship with the child but without any physical contact might be therapeutic for the pedophile, in that it would help him learn how to relate to children in the right way. You would have to have the parents' involvement of course. I'm not sure how else you could treat a pedophile for pedophilia.

The only other option would be for them to avoid all contact with children, which would not be achieving as much as if they found they could eventually relate to children socially without needing to go further.

Relating this to homosexuality, it is clear to me that for Christians homosexual practices are forbidden. So I am interested in ways that could help homosexuals to change.

The issue is of course, does it harm anyone. Aside from the obvious harm caused by sodomy, there is the psychological harm to both involved. There is loss of masculinity (in men who treat another man as if female, or behave effeminately) or loss of femininity (in women). I think this is swept under the carpet by people who refer to them as "harmless".

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Such a condition could be treated by the person waiting until the child is an adult, in the mean time suppressing their urges under supervision by a phsychotherapist and perhaps being allowed to conduct a friendship with the child, thus forming an emotional bond with him/her which might be the foundation for a future physical relationship when the child is old enough. We do after all see older men marrying women much younger than themselves.

Supposing for a minute that homosexuality was still illegal. I wonder if a similar kind of process could be found for enabling homosexuals to reach a point where, having suppressed their urges for some time, they could reach the point where they could live with their attraction to the same sex, and form a strong emotional and physical relationship with someone of the opposite sex

Korea Communications Standards Commission #homophobia m.koreatimes.co.kr

The media content watchdog has warned the distributor of an online drama series about lesbian love.

The Korea Communications Standards Commission warned the nation’s No.1 portal website Naver to use“voluntary restraint” after it posted video links to the drama entitled “Lily Fever,” according to Hankook Ilbo, Monday.

The mandate came after netizens reported the drama’s bold portrayal of homosexuality.

The watchdog was cited as saying homosexual love scenes in the drama “incited sexual curiosity and tempted viewers to imitate the acts in practice” thus “violating social orders in terms of ethical values.”

It is the first time the governmental watchdog has issued a discretionary note to an Internet-based drama series, also known as a web drama.

The drama, made by web content developer Dingo Studio, is about an aspiring female K-pop singer, 20, who has a romantic fling with a former K-pop idol girl star. Comprising eight episodes with each running from three to six minutes, the drama was streamed via Naver from Dec. 15-24.

However, the KCSC warning has aroused opposing voices claiming the measure violates freedom of expression in the media. Until 2004, portraying homosexuality in the media was banned because it was ruled to be harmful to youth. But with the effort of the National Human Rights Commission of Korea, the bar was lifted on the grounds that it violated constitutional equal rights and freedom of expression.

An online video streaming service provider said the government should introduce concrete guidelines for web contents.

“Although most companies have their own guidelines to control their web content, the idea of the companies voluntarily restraining themselves in doing so is very dangerous,” said an insider at service provider.

thecrystaltems #homophobia thecrystaltems.tumblr.com

men have a lot more to gain by claiming ace identities than women do, especially white men.

in fact they have everything to gain.

with an ace identity they have the capacity to claim that they are incapable of being complicit in the sexual violence perpetuated by men onto women. they can also use an ace identifier to argue that they are less voyeuristic, less fetishistic, and less prone to objectifying women than other men are.

this is huge scapegoating potential for men - for white men in particular - who are, as it stands, not the victims of discourse that posits them as hypersexual or animalistic. not only can men use this identifier to excuse them if their own misogyny, but they can also utilize an ace identity to their own racial advantage, further positing men of color as hypersexual and out of control. they can essentially use aceness as another way of blaming men of color for sexual violence against women (side note: white women who use the ace label are also absolutely capable of framing themselves as innocent victims of misogyny in juxtaposition to the “nasty” women of color who obviously “deserve” whatever violence they receive)

on the other hand, women generally don’t really gain anything when using an ace identifier (besides the above side note). in fact, it seems pretty clear that a woman who uses an ace identifier may be engaging in yet another act that increases the likelihood of her experiencing sexual harassment, assault, and even rape.

that’s what it means to say that “acephobia” is better understood as a facet of misogyny or racism rather than a standalone category of oppression.

the fact that white men stand to actively gain something by identifying under the ace spectrum is really telling of the gendering and racializing at play.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Unfortunately, Rhi, the Bible does say that people who practise homosexuality are not in God's kingdom. This is stated in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10. So that answers Sassy's point, and means that Christians need to abstain from this as they would abstain from adultery - if they want to be living for God. The passage in acts where the apostles decided which aspects of the Mosaic law needed to be kept by Gentile believers, is to do with those things that God prohibited in Leviticus 17 and 18 which applied to Israelites and non Israelites living with them. The connection should be clear.
But in answer to your second point: yes, people desire sex and that desire is essential to continuing the human race. But there are obvious limits beyomd which the sexual instinct needs to be restrained, and one of those is with homosexual urges. There is a reflex in men which deals with excess build up of sperm. Therefore there is no biological requirement for a man to have sex with another person. I don't know if the equivalent happens with women, and the OT mentions nocturnal emissions as being normal and not sinful. I think the area I need to think through more is how homosexual relationships cause harm. I was friends with a gay bloke and a lesbian at one time, and I was aware that I was personally affected by their homosexuality, because I fancied the lesbian and the bloke fancied me... A right muddle!

sweetlingsuniverse #wingnut #homophobia #sexist sweetlingsuniverse.tumblr.com

You got it!

But it doesn’t stop there either. The homofascist agenda of same-sex marriage and the innumerable petty impositions that come with it are in truth all part of the same matriarchic tyranny. By the way, the majority in Obergefell v. Hodges did not grant the freedom of homosexuals to marry as it cynically averred. The freedom to “marry” is not something the government actually grants at all.

Stay with me. .

What these thugs of the judiciary did was grant the government the power to universally impose a construct of marriage contrary to the imperatives of the natural order and against the inalienable rights of private property and ideological free-association of natural law on the people!

There was nothing stopping anyone from entering any kind of marital association.

This is all about the official approbation of homo marriage, which, of course, just established a universal regime that will violate not civil rights, which is the essence of what the Court created in this instance out of thin air, as the state can neither create nor abolish natural rights, but inalienable rights of natural law. That is to say, more of the following: The same-sex marriage tyranny.

The only thing the government can do with regard to natural rights — is suppress and/or criminalize the act of expressing or exercising them. Hello!

The only sense in which the government could possibly permit the freedom to marry is to the get the hell out of regulating marriage all together.

Hocus Pocus

Now ya see it, now ya don’t.

Of course, the issue with doing business with homosexuals is not doing business with homosexuals; the issue is the state compelling persons to actively participate in homofascist rituals, the state forcing persons to engage in activities that go beyond the normal business transactions of ideological and behavioral neutrality. This is the practice of compelling persons to engage in behavior that is contrary to persons’ religious and/or moral convictions or else pay a fine or go to jail! The is imposing the "religion" and/or “morality” of homofascists on Christians. Christians will now be the new nigger in the face of the repressive tolerance of cultural Marxism on steroids under the universal regime of same-sex marriage.

Religious liberty and the governmentally imposed lifestyles of cultural Marxism, including feminism and the various expressions of homosexuality, cannot freely coexist. Welcome to the next front of social strife and instability.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia #kinkshaming jesusisprecious.org

Does Taylor Swift love the young girls to whom she is sensually gyrating, behaving promiscuously, teaching revenge in her lyrics and SEXUALIZING!!! Is that genuine love? No, that's perverted lust! I wouldn't be surprised at all if Taylor Swift eventually comes out that she is a gay homosexual. Taylor is a spiritual mess!!! Check online and you'll discover that the gay community praises Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift's pro-homosexual song, “Welcome To New York,” has been adopted as an anthem by the homosexual community. Don't be fooled, Taylor Swift is no Christian, and she's not the innocent good girl that the media portrays her as. God only knows how many men are in prison for committing sexual crimes inspired by filthy sexualizing videos like Taylor Swift's. America has turned into an amoral hellhole!!! It's not innocent!!! TAYLOR SWIFT'S SENSUAL MUSIC VIDEOS ARE NOT INNOCENT!!!

Communist Party of China #homophobia theguardian.com

China bans depictions of gay people on television

The Chinese government has banned all depictions of gay people on television, as part of a cultural crackdown on “vulgar, immoral and unhealthy content”.

Chinese censors have released new regulations for content that “exaggerates the dark side of society” and now deem homosexuality, extramarital affairs, one night stands and underage relationships as illegal on screen.

Last week the Chinese government pulled a popular drama, Addicted, from being streamed on Chinese websites as it follows two men in gay relationships, causing uproar among the show’s millions of viewers.

The government said the show contravened the new guidelines, which state that “No television drama shall show abnormal sexual relationships and behaviours, such as incest, same-sex relationships, sexual perversion, sexual assault, sexual abuse, sexual violence, and so on.”

The ban also extends to smoking, drinking, adultery, sexually suggestive clothing, even reincarnation. China’s State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television told television producers it would constantly monitor TV channels to ensure the new rules were strictly adhered to.

The clampdown follows an increase in cultural censorship in China since Xi Jinping came to power in November 2012. In December 2014, censors stopped a TV show, The Empress of China, from being broadcast because the actors showed too much cleavage. The show only returned to screens once the breasts had been blurred out.

In September 2015, a documentary about young gay Chinese called Mama Rainbow was taken down from all Chinese websites.

The new regulations have angered gay activists in China, who have fought for two decades to overcome the substantial stigma in their country against homosexuality. It was only decriminalised in 1997 and was only taken off the official list of mental illnesses in 2001.

In November, one Chinese campaigner took the government to court over its description of homosexuality as a “psychological disorder” in textbooks.

Amy Matveyev #fundie #homophobia johnburton.net

This is 100 percent true. Homosexuality is a satanic bondage that prevents the LGBT community from walking out their destiny/calling assigned by God. Only a few people stand strong against this. And it is the people who have strong spiritual discernment. As a worship leader and experiencing God's powerful and sweet presence, there is nothing in his presence that makes me feel that homosexuality is even close to being acceptable. I understand the whole equal rights movement but when John Burton mentions that accepting homosexuality is only step one to the satanic plan that changes everything. The satanic strategy is to accept this and than take dominion for destruction. Wow. The people who overlook that are blind. I believe we should love and accept one another but I know deep down inside that homosexuality is not okay or acceptable by God.

And those of you who claim that there is nothing that talks about homosexuality in the bible. Please read your bible.

Romans 1:18-32
But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (NLT)

TheEndOfFappingIsNear #conspiracy #homophobia fstdt.com

Homosexuals are on the forefront of the feminist anti-masturbation movement. They enjoy anal pleasure and genital mutilation and so they support prostate milking clinics and spiked/bladed chastity devices. There is also a high correlation with pedophilia, which fits juvenile chastity cages. The homosexual agenda is a front for feminism and must also be stopped.

Synod UO GCC #fundie #homophobia uogcc.org.ua

A. Franco, former Nuncio to Ukraine, committed crimes not only against morality but also against the Church and the nation. He usurped Church power by promoting Lubomyr Husar, who had been excommunicated for 17 years, to the post of Head of the Church in spite of a protest by three Metropolitans. Husar proclaims heresies, promotes homosexuality and is the founder of the Masonic group “The First of December” which has organized a coup against the legitimate government. The Church structure established by him is apostatical. He keeps the common believers in darkness and in heresy and leads them into temporal and eternal self-destruction.

It is publicly known that the whole Vatican is under God’s curse by reason of heresies denying the Divinity of Christ and by reason of pernicious syncretism which hundreds of thousands of martyrs fought against. The curse is on the Vatican also because of its approval of the abomination of homosexuality and paedophilia.

We propose that the Government of Ukraine should see to it that the current Nuncio is exiled for his participation in a coup. He was obliged to warn and admonish the representatives of the Roman and Greek Catholic Church in Ukraine not to organize a coup leading to a homodictatorship and autogenocide of Ukraine.

Apostolic Nunciature in Ukraine is harmful to the true Christian faith as well as to the nation, since it promotes heresies, syncretism, homosexuality and paedophilia. Therefore it must be abolished. We propose that the Secretariat of State should not wait until the Government of Ukraine justly exiles the Nuncio, abolishes the Nunciature and exposes the crimes committed. Remove the Nuncio Yourselves and abolish the Nunciature!

Imperial Wizard #fundie #homophobia ikkkkk.org

Our society today teaches us that Homosexuality is alright. The President and Vice-President endorse this shameful act, members of Congress endorse this shameful act, and now the Homosexual rights advocates have oral arguments right now before the U. S. Supreme Court.
So our question is this:
If you are a real Christian and believe in the Bible then join with us and together we can stop this illness of Homosexuality that has polluted our government and threatens to pollute the next generation. Join the Ku Klux Klan today "Soldiers of the Cross"
We all know according to the teachings of the Bible what is going to happen to the Homosexuals, in the rapture if Christ

Xeru #homophobia battledawn.com

Basically, if you cede homosexuals the right to marry, it turns into a slippery slope.


It's not what giving homosexuals the right to marry that's the problem. It's what giving homosexuals the right to marry represents. It represents that our society has become one that supports and tolerates something that is against biology, against the fundamental parts of being a human, tolerates something that natural selection has weeded out a long time ago and for good reason, tolerates something that is, on all levels, wrong.

I am not religious. But I will not tolerate something that runs contrary to the basic functions to the human race. If we endorse homosexuality, we open the freedom to bestiality, to polygamy, to incest. THAT is UNTHINKABLE. The legalization of same-sex marriage will be used as precedence to legalize marriage in that respect, and so, it follows logically, if you advocate for same-sex marriage, you advocate for polygamy, for beastiality, for incest legalization. Do you really?

Society is not prepared to accept homosexuality. How do I know this? you ask. Well, quite simply, the fact that same-sex marriage is not legal is perfect evidence.

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Period. That is the way the law writes it, and quite frankly, the law does not need to be agreed with. Humanity has survived quite adequately for millennia without homosexuality, so your "stagnant society" argument holds no water.

Once again, I am okay with putting all of the homosexuals away from society and letting them do whatever. But by allowing them to marry, I allow them into my society, into a society that does not wish for them to be there. Violence from religious group follows. Allowing homosexuals into society will only ensue instability. But even on a smaller scale, same-sex marriage enables homosexual couples to receive the same benefits that heterosexual couples receive. They should not receive equal treatment, at least in the same system.

Aister, you miss an ultimate question. Why do homosexuals fight for the right to marry? Because they want to force themselves unto society.

tl;dr, my main arguments
Slippery Slope
Society is not prepared to accept homosexuals, and the legalization of marriage will allow homosexuals to force themselves onto society.
Heck, it's just wrong.

Being with someone you love is not against the law. Wanting to marry a person of the same gender is. I'll admit freely--while I can see where religion comes from, where racial attitudes comes from, I do not understand homosexuality. At all. And the fact that it causes many people in society qualms because the sight of a man cuddling with another man is quite frankly disgusting means that it is thus indecent.

Xeru #homophobia battledawn.com

[ Personally I think homosexuality is rather disgusting (but I'm a hypocrite when it comes to lesbians...shame on me), but who am I...who are we pretending to be by saying SOMEONE ELSE cannot have a different ideology than us? ]

Weak. To use a comparison, think about how having sex and going nude in public is illegal under 'public indecency'. Your argument here does not apply. "Personally, I think that going nude in public is rather disgusting, but who am I...who are we pretending to be by saying SOMEONE ELSE cannot have a different ideology than urs?" I mean, do you see how this doesn't hold any water? 'Different ideology', as demonstrated by the current laws and those of history, does not grant you a universal right to do whatever you want. The opinions of society must be taken into account.

[ k, let's see. Ur friend is a homo, she likes girls only. Does it affect u? No, unless u like her.

Another example, u're an atheist, and ur friend is a Christian. Does that bother u? No, unless he tries to make u believe there is a god. ]

Still a weak argument. There is a reason for public indecency laws. The majority should not have to put up with an action from the minority that causes their lives to be uncomfortable. There are a lot of things that you don't like. There are a lot of things that I don't like. However, there are also things that society dislikes. I and much of society object fundamentally to the thought of having to live through something that disgusts me--not just ideologically, but biologically. For instance, society dislikes people pissing everywhere. What are you going to say now--just pin up your nose? Really? For instance, this forum dislikes me putting up nude pictures. What's your reply to that--close your eyes?

I am okay with closing up all homosexuals into a room and letting them live there. Or maybe making a homosexual town for them to live. That's what you're saying, right?

[he's talking about the reasons why marriage is forbidden.

if it's not becuz they are the same gender, it's becuz one of them is black (aka racism) or Hispanics, Jew or Muslims (religion), all of them are stupid. ]

That's a really dumb comparison to make.Racial/Cultural lines is one thing. I am prepared to transcend that.To step over what biology dictates...that's objectionable.


Once again, I am wholeheartedly open with having gays in forests and deserts, where they have nothing to do with me. I am very open to this. However, the legalization of same-sex marriage means that they have the same rights as us and can cuddle in public and can flirt in public and sneak a quick kiss in public. I cannot stand for that.

. Homosexuals can go ahead and be homosexuals. You can be whatever kind of messed up person you are. Just as long as I have no part in it.
I am okay with homosexuals being closet homosexuals. I do not want to persecute them. However, I fundamentally object to them having the same public rights as us.

Your_ACT_Score #homophobia reddit.com

I consider myself to be quite an extreme atheist but
I cant stand homosexuality. Period. I was born in China and never knew the existence of religion until I was in high school. And hearing the arguments for and against religion it was quite clear to me that religion is a joke. I honestly thought back then that Noah's Ark was like the story of Santa, I still think so today. After watching videos of "TheThinkingAtheist" and reading some papers, I became quite an extreme atheist BUT I cant stand homosexuals. And I want to know why many of you are for homosexuality. My religious friends support it because of the bible, but I see it has nothing to do with religion, to me, homosexuality is simply...disguesting The sad part is, I hate homosexuality for the same reason why I hate religion: the effect it has on the helpless young. Religious parents at times teach their children and force them into the same belief, this has been talked many times and we all know. Homosexuality affects the young as well. Not having the love and care of a father or mother is greatly detrimental to the young, which again, is innocent and do not have a choice in this matter. It is the most frustrating when religious people think I am also religious due to my view on homosexuality but in reality I am an atheist, and I am confused on what to do..
Edit: I am currently homophobic cause the reason for it far outweigh the arguments against. Research and study that has shown Gay related immune deficiency are a good part of the reason why the bullies did what they did. No one wants HIV and AIDS to spread, one of many reasons why I was homophobic. I came to see reasoning and some proper arguements but most of which was just insults and logical fallacies, though I do appreciate a few quality posts that did have some good points. I will look elsewhere for futher data, have a good day :)

I am hateful toward the homosexual parents. A bit more info: When a whole group of children decide to form together and reach a consenus to bully the same child, there has to be a good reason behind their actions. Back then I couldnt even save my friend, maybe I can stand up to 1 or 2 bullies, but not 10+, I lost a precious friend and for a whole month I can do nothing but watch him suffer. I thought to myself "1 bully might be a jerk, but 10+? , what did the kid do to deserve this?" Then I found out it was his parents when I reported to the teacher, and the fact that an adult choose to side with the children too fully convinced me it was the fault of the kid's homo parents. I made this post in hopes of ways to convince me otherwise, but all I got so far was mostly insults, which only futher convinced me against homosexuality.

[ Dude, really "I'm a bigot who is also an atheist" is all you should have typed.
The only difference between you and the religious bigots is you don't have an imaginary friend to blame it on.
]

Most Ironic post of the year... Here I am backing my arguments with reasoning, if you disagree then provide your counter arguments and support them. Instead you chose to throw an insult at me, now whos the one intolerant of other people's opinions?

I will teach my children rape, murder, and homosexuality are wrong until someone proves to me that homosexuality, unlike murder and rape, is not a wrongful behavior that harms others. Just because you are not affected, doesnt mean others arent.

First of all, saying I might be gay is similar to debating a Christian and him/her saying "there are no atheists, you just hasnt recieved the blessings etc". And about the citation, the effect of 2 parents of the same gender does not belong to this sub, but from personal experience I had a friend who had homosexual parents and was bullied by others, worst of all, on purpose or not, the teachers did minimal to help. Finally, I didnt make this post to say "We should hate on homosexuals" but rather express my troubles since I need others to convince me to accept homosexuality as I want to fit in with you all, calling me disguesting serves no purpose.

The parents will love their children the same way hetero parents would, but what about others? After a teachers conference, a friend of mine who had homo parents (that loved their child) was bullied each day into deep depression and I never saw him again (I assume the moved to another school)



Cussing at me here isnt going to save the kid from bullying and everything happens for a reason. Look at the root cause, would there be homophobia without homosexuality? His parents made the decision and the innocent kid suffered for HIS PARENTS decision. Bullying is never right, but that does not excuse his parents.

The Last Trump #homophobia christiannews.net

Yes, your treatment here by the “tolerant” ones is a good indicator of why so many companies today claim to “support” sexual perversion.
Clearly out of fear of reprisal. The bullying and hate mongering that they are subjected to if they do not, has become legendary.
Who knew that “we just want to be left alone” actually meant “you must accept, endorse and promote the gay lifestyle or we will destroy you”!
Ah well. Lesson learned…

Sassy #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

The OT was the covenant with the Jews not Christians.
It was for people in a different country at a different time. And no matter what you call this thread you cannot use it to poke at subjects that are nothing to do with the Lords Prayer.

There is no mind set to condemn or defend. That was that covenant. But today for Christians they cannot be homosexual in practice because the body is to be used for Gods Glory not mans lusts or to sin in any way.
Christ is for Christians and homosexuality is for homosexuals.  Christians are not allowed to take part in any sexual behaviour considered sin. They cannot sleep with prostitutes and they have to remain in unity with God.

So not really anything to do with Christianity is it?

TheSageOfDarkness #homophobia zeldauniverse.net

on uganda's "kill the gays bill

We don't like it, but it's not our problem. We have no right to tell other people what to do. I know People will hate me for saying that, but it's the truth.


[ ^Are you talking about homosexuality or the Death Penalty for homosexual acts. ]

Death penalty for homosexual acts.


[ If you mean what I think you mean, then you're a horrible, horrible person. If not, then I apologize for misreading.BTW, everyone has the right to tell others what to do. However, the person recieving the criticism has the right to not accept it or act on it. This applies equally to us as it does to the Ugandan government ]


Sorry. but we do not agree. I will never tell another person what to do with their life and the choices they make.

[ You're still being ambiguous. It's almost as if you're telling me that we shouldn't be telling the Ugandan government what to do.

But we're not. We're just reminding them that they don't have the right to tell homosexual people what to do, a-la your logic. ]


I know what you are saying, but us crying about it is not going to change anybodies mind. If it was me I would do it more simply because it people complain and it would piss me off. I'm sure thats how they are. Until people shut up they will just troll the ???? out of the US and any other country that complains about what their leaders do.


You're speaking as if it's our country. We have choices. We in our society can say yes or no. They do not. If somebody disagrees they die, and if they want to pass a bill, they just will. No matter what their people say. That is the bigger problem! NOT JUST GAYS! I think that is what people should worry about more. People dying for having their own mind. Not just one group of people. It makes me sick seeing people cry over gays, blacks, ect, when it is the entire masses that are being killed for just having their own outlook. Yet again though, we should not worry about them when we have our own country to unite and fix. We waste too much time on other countries.


[ on gay marriage]

I believe Homosexuality is incorrect. Not wrong, incorrect. I'm not trying to offend anybody but I can have my own opinion on it. Humans have the gift of introspection and we can tell the difference between our sexes. Nature HAS intended for male and female to be together and I should not have to explain myself. I myself cannot stand the argument, “Animals are gay too" because that is redundant as all hell. Again, we have this little thing called self-awareness. Most animals do not, and the ones that do have nothing close to our level of ours. I just don't understand how people can be with the same sex and I never will. People have told me they love them. But again, I don't believe in romantic love. Just so everybody knows I am no gay basher, I have a few gay friends and what not. But when it comes to the marriage thing, I do not think it is our right to bud in on its foundation. Marriage IS a religious coming together of a man and women. It has nothing to do with the state or with in the laws. It's something that religious people do not do and I respect it. I think gays trying to pry their way in are just disrespectful to people who believe in tradition.

...

It's very simple. We have two sexes, not one. My personal look on it is some sort of brain dysfunction. I know it sounds harsh, but again, you can look up studies on this. Our bodies chemicals come into play with the opposite sex. It's our natural working order. So how can people become gay? It's intriguing the human mind.

Emotional ties can be bisexual, yes. But like other animals, humans fit into groups. We have friends and become close to one another. But we don't start humping each other either. I don't see relationships as straight or gay because I do not believe in romantic relationships. I see it as who is humping who because at the end of the day, we are organisms and we multiply. That is what life naturally is. Eat, sleep, and sex. That is what we did at the beginning of our existence. But our intellect is so advanced now, we can sit back and think about what we do. Which I think adds to human error. We make weird decisions

[ Are you implying that only religious people can get married?Also, are you implying that gays can't be religious ]

Gays can be. But thats hypocritical. Like when Gay people say, " God doesn't care who I'm with." But if they open up their little book and actually read it, they would see otherwise. . Stupid people like that who have no idea what they are talking about makes me laugh. I am not even religious and yet I know more about a lot of religions than it's own people simply because it's fascinating.

Yes. My point. We don't make the rules. Why are there 2 sexes then if that is not what nature has intended? Not just with animated life either. It goes the same for our plants too. Why do so many refuse to see the obvious? WE ARE MADE TO WORK THAT WAY! It's so sad, but I know it's true, that you can't even have your kids in 3rd grade before they have some he-she walk into a classroom and talk about gay ????. LEAVE THAT TO THE PARENTS! Not only that but I understand the caring part and emotional ties with other humans. I can kinda see how that works. But when a chick has a dick and a dude has a vag, something is not screwed in right in their heads. Sorry. If I had kids I would be really pissed off if my school had somebody teach them about ( "tolerating" ) gays, yet do not teach them facts about them or so much as point out the obvious. I had to sit through it myself but I just laughed at it. White kids and be called "honkeies" all day long and we hear "nigga" in our childrens schools everyday but "fag" is just so evil it will get a kid kicked out of school? Are you kidding me? Equal rights = Equal treatment. Not special treatment and that what they REALLY want. Not to be criticized, and people are too scared to do it in this day and age but I am not. I will not support cry babies that complain and waste my time really giving a ????. People that have lives have better ???? to do than listen to people complain. If they want to get married there are five states and a few countries they can move to.


Again, I am not a homophobe and even my gay friends understand where I am coming from. I am not trying to offend anybody.

Bolaino #fundie #homophobia #transphobia nairaland.com

well, I believe more in Obatala than The hebrew Jesus, but that bein said.In all honesty, I have no qualms with Homosexual men or lesbian women, of a truth, every human has the right to love or have sex with whoever or whatever they like, some women have sex with Dildos, while some Men have sex with Life sized dolls, and there is also the issue of Masturbation, which I have no problem with, because it is truly the right of every one to do as he or she likes.

but there is also Paedophillia, Beastiallity, and Animality, but all these sexual concepts and Practices are leading to an Obvious Fatality of the Human Race, because if we are to really encourage GAYISM, it'll become a Trend and before you know, Nigerians being very Good Copy cats will start copying GAYISM, because I know of a truth that the issue of Transgederism, is as a result of Homophobia, the Homosexual Democrats of The United states and it's Allies are turning men into women, to make Homosexuality more appealing, you could sleep with a Man and not know it, because he might be a Caitlyn Jenner or another Trans. And when you know that you've slept with a Transgender, you might like it and from there you'll start sleeping with more Transgenders and before you know, VOILA. You are hooked on Anal sex. and before you know, you are Gay.

GAYISM is Demonic, it's evil and barbaric, and I know that Ancient Greece practiced Homosexuality as a Cultural act, and therefore I am not surprised that white Men are Homosexuals. Because nearly all white men have been sexually molested while growing up, and it's that evil act of Child Molestation that has turned into Homosexuality. I don't know if you are Gay or if you have Gay Family members or Friends, and I honestly do not care. But what I care about is that I hope to never have anything to do with any Homosexual person. If you are Homosexual then I am judging you. You need spiritual Re-orientation.

Therumancer #sexist #homophobia escapistmagazine.com

It's political. To be fairly honest very few people care about lesbians in general. Guys are either turned on by it, or don't care as it has nothing to do with them. Women can use it as an insult, but in general don't care that much about it either if they aren't involved.

While I won't say it's never happened, I can't think of many examples outside of fantasy (oftentimes directed at men) where lesbians have attacked and raped children especially in the pre-sexual age groups.

Yet when it comes to gay men, the same cannot be said. When you hear about gay sexual assault it's inevitably involving men, and despite Lesbianism having been prevelent you'll notice that back in say ancient Greece you didn't have young girls being run down and captured as homosexual sex slaves the same way you had it going on with boys. This is incidently where the term "Greeking" comes from (though it doesn't nessicarly have a pedophille connotation).

In general it's the gay men that get the serious opposition when it comes to gay rights. Despite what the media might imply it's not all religious fantatics and such, nor misguided "homophobes" who dislike them for no reason other than being differant (actually most involved have reasons and frequently they have little to do with religion).

Given that the purpose of such articles is specifically to garner attention, and whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the majority of anti-gay sentiment is men against gay men, you need to focus on gay men to really make a serious issue on gay rights.


[ Is that because they are gay, or because they are men? I mean, when you hear about human sexual assault it's inevitably involving men. Occam's Razor and all, the simpler explanation seems to be about sex/gender and not sexual orientationOnly to you Cheeze, you can argue semantics either way. The bottom line is that your pro-gay, I'm not. There really isn't any point to us argueing about it anymore over the internet.

All we're going to do is retread old territory and accomplish nothing while generating hundreds of responses. ]


Only to you Cheeze, you can argue semantics either way. The bottom line is that your pro-gay, I'm not. There really isn't any point to us argueing about it anymore over the internet.

All we're going to do is retread old territory and accomplish nothing while generating hundreds of responses.


[ If you're going to post the same "gay men are rapists" thing every time homosexuality comes up, the least he can do is post the exact same response every time. Y'know, for balance. ]


His general "well maybe it's a problem with men and not with male homosexuals" is inherantly rididculous for a number of reasons. Foremost of course being the way in which he makes an absurd arguement given that we need heterosexual sex and reproduction to continue the species. So when all is said and done that pretty much trumps anything. Homosexuals by their nature do not reproduce so can be targeted to reduce a problem without hurting our species at all. Anything you target reducing the overall problem.

Plus a lot of it revolves around pre-sexual humans as I've made clear. While there are exceptions to every rule, in general when dealing with a hetero rapist or "child molestor" your dealing with someone going after teens and generally physically capable children. Someone like a Roman Polanski (going after 13 year old jailbait) being the quintessential example, along with various cases of teachers and high school students, etc... In comparison in cases when your hear about like 6-8 year old kids being sexually assaulted the perpetrator is a gay man.

Even when looking at porn, when it comes to heterosexuals your mostly looking at jailbait, for the real little kids it's *almost* universally gay porn.
...
On the other hand when you have cases of someone having sex on like an 8 year old, in the majority of cases it's a male homosexual. This is not to say heterosexuals have not done it, it's just far, far less common.

Sean #wingnut #homophobia #psycho wrongplanet.net

Stupidity is nature's way of reducing the population. Homosexuality is just a warning sign that human civilization is about to crash and burn. Maybe homosexuality in itself is wrong, mabe it isn't... but the "do whatever you want" attitude towards life that comes with homosexuality is going to cause no end of trouble for mankind.

[ Last time I checked, this attitude was more prevalent amounst straights than gays. "Do whatever you want" often means getting beaten up if you are gay, which I suppose is consistent with what you've written.. ]

Hey, I quit doing that about a decade ago...and it sure wasn't due to the school administration cracking down on it!

I used to beat up on and pick on the kids that came out early. The school administration looked the other way. I would often get a singe day of lunch detention for acts that would get a mandatory 10 year prision scentence now. I once beat a gay student with a stick, and got two days detention for damaging school property (breaking off the stick) and one day for striking a student with it. A long as you didn't attack any straight blacks or Mexicans, the school didn't really care and you could get off with only a purely ceremonial (beyond light) punishment. I quit when I realized that most kids coming out that young were probably sexual abuse victims and were probably just badly mixed up about their sexuality and probably alot of other things that were less obvious.


[ I guess I have to ask - why did you do this?I've never understood why anyone would pick on someone else as I've seemingly always wanted to stay out of any involvement with people.
Life is complicated enough without provoking more trouble.
]

At the time, I would get a mild sense of euphoria from it; kind of like a good airsoft war, or a mild version of the feeling you have getting off of a roller coaster. Not only did I not like homosexuals, but they proved to be a convenient way to get that sense of euphoria. :|

*waits for everybody to run away screaming*

[ I am shocked and saddened, but mostly I am disappointed. That sense of euphoria is also the same feeling that serial killers get when they murder people, Sean. It is horribly cruel and sadistic. I really don't know what else to say.If there weren't laws against it now, would you still do it? ]


No. I wouldn't feel like doing it again if I had the opportunity. I seem to have gradually lost pleasure in violence like that. I don't like homosexuality any more now than I did then, but I don't see violent acts accomplishing anything. I still think that hate crime legislation is BS, for reasons not exclusively realted to gays and not for running around hurting people. That would be a relatively low priority for me right now. I'm far more concerned about making laws related to self defense more conservative right now anyway.

All the stuff I described happened in middle school. I was just a fairly typical loner in high school.

tom #homophobia #wingnut yahoo.com

Better named the 'Homosexual Classrooms Act,' its chief advocate in Congress is Rep. Jared Polis, himself an open homosexual and radical activist.

That's why I need you to act quickly -- right away -- to protect our nation's youth.

I have prepared the official 'Protect Our Children's Innocence' Petition to Congress for you to sign.

You and I must defeat this disastrous legislation.

You see, the Homosexual Classrooms Act contains a laundry list of anti-family provisions that will:

*Require schools to teach appalling homosexual acts so 'homosexual students' don't feel 'singled out' during already explicit sex-ed classes;

*Spin impressionable students in a whirlwind of sexual confusion and misinformation, even peer pressure to 'experiment' with the homosexual 'lifestyle;'

*Exempt homosexual students from punishment for propositioning, harassing, or even 'sexually assaulting their classmates', as part of their specially-protected right to 'freedom of self-expression;'

*Force private and even religious schools to teach a pro-homosexual curriculum and purge any reference to religion if a student claims it creates a 'hostile learning environment' for homosexual students.

And that's just the beginning of the Homosexual Lobby's radical agenda.

SjPhotoGrapher #homophobia teamliquid.net

on a professional athlete coming out as gay

Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy.


[[I actually hear about it all the time. Maybe no one says "I like dick/pussy/both. I mean I REALLY like dick/pussy/both. Did I ever tell you how much I like dick/pussy/both?" but people certainly do (and certainly should be able to) say "Wow - check out the hottie at the bar." Step out of the equation and think about it for a second.That's fine if you come from an area where white people were historically oppressed (where is this again?) but obfuscating the point isn't a defense of your argument. Historically - homosexuality has been maligned the world over - but no one has ever significantly oppressed heterosexuality. As a heterosexual individual you have NEVER been afraid for your personal physical or emotional well-being due to your sexuality. It's not the same with any other orientation. Saying "We should just ignore it because it doesn't matter" is not an option for those people - because, unfortunately for them, it DOES matter, not only because there are still assholes in the world who claim homosexuals are the antichrist or whatever, but also because they should be able to go to the bar and say "DAMN, look at that sexy manmuffin" without anyone saying "Ew, nobody asked about that keep it to yourself."]]


Whites were slaves during the times the egpytians were around and also during other time periods. The Jew's had it really, really bad as well as everyone knows.Whites have it just as hard as black people it's just that there tends to be more black/hispanic people in low income areas and their children end up not being brought up properly and end up relying on welfare for their income. I actually know a black guy that gets welfare & section 8 and gets paid to live for free, does not have to work, plays games all day and has a child.I have also witnessed white people filling out job applications checking off that they are hispanic when they told me that they're white and just lying about being hispanic so that they can get the job which actually works as some company's such as McD are paid to hire blacks/hispanics so that they get off welfare AND a lot of these places are ran by people that are prejudice.So go try living in the ghetto and tell me that the white are not oppressed in certain places.
I'm far from racist/prejudice but anyone claiming that blacks have it "hard" grew up with rich or well off parents as it's a load of bull.If someone says that they like dick or pussy who cares? It's all private talk I've yet to have a complete stranger walk up to me and tell me they like ass/tits/dick/ or anything as it's all private.Also, most men would take offense to a gay man calling them hot and men have killed themselves over the fact that a man had a crush on them and told a bunch of people.It would be like if a women went to a bar and she found out that another women was checking her out....the bottom line is that it's straight up offensive and sexual preference should be kept to yourself.

I know that for me if a guy liked me I would be offended.If I was on the same basketball team as this player I would be offended as well when playing if I see him checking me out or anything whereas if he just kept his mouth shut it wouldn't bother me.
As for your last quote it's irrelevant to what I was/am saying and there are mistakes in evolutioon that could make something "gay" just like how some women have facial hair or a mans body parts or are born with 2 heads.
I also don't believe in the notion of "natural" as everything can be labeled as natural as everything came/comes from the universe.I also don't believe in the notion of death, there's only a changing of conditions.


[[Just because you think such topics ought to be relegated to the private sphere does not mean that society acts in such a way; it is a simple fact that male expressions of sexual attraction towards women are the only explicitly tolerated public displays of this kind, and this is inherently discriminatory. ]]


It does not manner if a guy found out another guy liked him most men would punch that man in the face. It's offensive/disgusting and plain right embarrassing if you're straight and find out that another man likes you..
Nobody gives a crap if someone is gay or straight I say keep it to yourself. Telling another man that you like them could get that man person killed or the other man might kill himself. Gays are an extreme minority.

I can tell you now that if a man hit on me and hit on me he would get punched in the face.If you find out that a women likes you it changes everything as that is the norm and it will continue to stay that way.This is why sexual preference is for the most part kept private despite what you may say.

You're right I don't like labeling or labels but you are wrong on the point that everyone automatically assumes that you're straight. I can point out a person that is gay right away by the way they talk (their voice is a dead give away). I understand that some gays are more masculine but their are groups to meet other gays online and "hook up".

yoyo462001 #homophobia #fundie thestudentroom.co.uk

[ on which is worse homophobia or racism]

well race isnt a choice however i believe Homosexuality is so imo racism is worst.

[Why do you believe that homosexuality is a choice?

Secondly, do you also think discriminating against Asian people because of their race is worse than persecuting e.g. Christians? ]

Being a christian i dont i believe that were not born with the inclination to be attracted to the same sex. i would class persecutions of Christians on the same level of racism but not homophobia because i i believe its wrong, being prejudice against something i believe is wrong could never be on the level of racism of persecution.

ticktockclock #homophobia thestudentroom.co.uk

Seriously guys its not a good idea to be openly gay in the street. Im not homophobic but i do not encourage or support homosexuality, if i saw a gay couple on the street i would probably have a go at them(nothing violent) because they are not thinking about the children. Kissing the same sex or holding hands with the same sex in public just gives children the wrong idea, they are young and you dont need to take away their innocence.


[:confused: So you'd have a go at a hetro couple holding hands because of 'the children' too. ?
Also, what are you protecting them from? The truth? ]


Tbh, i have my views and opinions about homosexuality, i believe that homosexuality is a choice; nothing in nature or religion suggests that same sex relationships are meant to be. I feel that its more to do with society, enviroment and upbringing and exposing children to homosexuality makes them choose something that is not meant to be. Having said that i do not have problems with gay people, they can do whatever they like as long as it doesnt bother me but if they kissed in public it would bother me because of the children.

[So you think children should be sheltered from the fact that gay people exist? Nice one. This would never make them prejudiced later in life, would it... ]

If they were exposed they would think its ok which to me its not. but hey thats just my opinion.

Btw, im not like most of these hypocrite homosexual bashers who dont think male relationships are cool but get turned on by female relationships. i completely disapprove of all homosexual relationships whether it be male or female.

Mat Staver #fundie #homophobia rightwingwatch.org

Mat Staver: Gays Are Imposing A 'Jizya' Tax On Christians In America
On a recent "Freedom's Call" radio commentary, Liberty Counsel's Mat Staver declared that gays are now imposing a "jizya" tax on Christians in America.
Staver, the anti-gay legal activist representing Kentucky clerk Kim Davis, said that gays have borrowed the concept of the jizya, a discriminatory tax imposed on non-Muslims under Islamic law, and are now subjecting Christians in America to such taxes.
"Deep in the Islamic tradition is jizya, a tax which forces non-Muslims to pay an exorbitant fee for living within a Muslim state," Staver said. "Now, from farmers in New York to those offering wedding cakes, photography and other services, all have been fined thousands, and sometimes more than a hundred thousand dollars for having and acting on a religious belief that is different from homosexuals who demand their services. These fees and fine are in essence a tax on Christians who are living out their faith and beliefs in the businesses that they labored for and have built. In America, we should not fear paying a tax or fee to Muslims, nor to homosexuals, just because our faith is different from theirs."

I'm Always Right #fundie #homophobia onehallyu.com

What's Worse; Homophobes or Racists?

I believe some people have legit reasons to be against Homosexuality, but I believe racists have no damn right to discriminate someone based on the colour of their skin.

What do you all think?


[Both are scumbags. If you pick one over the other, I really wonder about your reasons (though I might have a hunch).]


I pick one over the other because racists are in another league of cruel.

[You obviously have no experience with homophobia.]

Still a lot more justifiable than racism.

[why?]


Homosexuality is a sin; there are still a lot of religious people on this forsaken planet who are against people going against the natural course of things.
Hating someone for their race is a lot worse and more personal I believe, a gay guy can easily hide their sexual partner but a person can't hide their race. We don't chose which race we are born into. You gays chose to love another man.
There isn't even competition here.

Franklin Graham #fundie #homophobia pinknews.co.uk

The head of a Christian charity appears to have declared war on gay people – claiming they are “the enemy” and should be thrown out of churches.

Pastor Franklin Graham, the head of global Christian charity Samaritan’s Purse, made the comments in a radio Q&A with Focus on the Family.

The pastor, whose charity runs the annual shoebox appeal, claimed: “We have allowed the enemy to come into our churches.

“I was talking to some Christians and they were talking about how they invited these gay children to come into their home and to come into the church and that they were wanting to influence them.

“And I thought to myself, they’re not going to influence those kids, those kids are going to influence those parents’ children.

“What happens is we think we can fight by smiling and being real nice and loving— we have to understand who the enemy is and what he wants.

“He wants to devour our homes. He wants to devour this nation.”

He continued: “We have to be so careful who we let our kids hang out with.

“We have to be so careful who we let into the churches. You have immoral people that get into the churches and it begins to affect the others in the church and it is dangerous.”

“I’m going to encourage the Church to take a stand for Christ. Homosexuality has been allowed into our schools – that’s why I want to get the school boards back.

“Homosexuality is taught to be OK in our universities, and you have all these diversity classes and all these nice names that they come up with promoting and pushing homosexuality.”

He added: “You cannot stay gay and continue to call yourself a Christian. You can’t do it.

“We have allowed sin to come into our churches, and we need to repent of our sins.”

Graham has recently praised Vladimir Putin’s support anti-gay laws, and claimed that homosexuals “take people’s children”.

He told a Russian newspaper: “I very much appreciate that President Putin is protecting Russian young people against homosexual propaganda. If only to give them the opportunity to grow up and make a decision for themselves.”

Repeating disturbing rhetoric used by anti-LGBT activists in Russia, he said: “Homosexuals cannot have children, they can take other people’s children.”

Ann Barnhardt #fundie #kinkshaming #homophobia barnhardt.biz

The cause of homosexuality, and all aberrosexuality is DIABOLICAL NARCISSISM.

The further one descends into Diabolical Narcissism, the freakier and freakier the aberrosexuality becomes. Think Charlie Sheen. Think Miley Cyrus and Linsey Lohan. Think all musloid cultures – musloids openly screw blood relatives, children and infants, animals and dead bodies, and islam ratifies this.

Celibacy and chastity have nothing to do with it and are red herrings. Don’t fall for it for a second. There is NOTHING harmful or risky about a psycho-spiritually normal person, fully and normally capable of love and thus BY DEFINITION heterosexual, directing the energy of their sexuality toward a life espoused and in service to Christ and His Holy Church.

Taking a vow of celibacy does not make a man or woman “asexual”. ASEXUALITY IS HIGHLY DISORDERED, AND A RED FLAG SIGNAL OF CEREBRAL DIABOLIC NARCISSISM. Asexuality, or CLAIMS of asexuality – which are frequently a cover for homosexuality – should be a DISQUALIFIER for the priesthood and holy orders.

The one and only normal “sexual orientation” is HETEROSEXUALITY. Period. Everything else is diabolical. There is no such thing as a “benign” homosexuality, asexuality or aberrosexuality of any stripe. ALL are derivatives of Diabolical Narcissism, and thus extremely dangerous to souls, not only of the individual, but also to the people the Diabolical Narcissist comes in contact with.

Axle The Beast #homophobia zeldadungeon.net

[My question is simple: Why on EARTH is homosexuality even controversial? At all?]

-Why WAS it controversial? Because people used to be intolerant and hugely violent monsters who would punish things they couldn't understand.
-Why does it continue to be controversial? Because some people still don't understand or agree with it, gay people and gay proponents don't like that and remember how horrible this used to be in the past, and neither side can see things from the other's perspective.

And no, I'm not implying there aren't still people who will do horribly mean or even violent things to homosexuals, like ostracize or beat them. But that is a medieval and cruel way of acting -- I'm not sure if I've ever met someone personally who didn't think it was cruel an inappropriate -- but it doesn't change the fact that in some case homosexual proponents will respond to criticism or even just plain old disagreement with them by treating the person like they're one of these monsters. That's projection, and as someone who has multiple homosexual friends and is pretty damn respectful of their way of life despite disagreeing with it, I don't much care to be lumped in with that sort.

Homophobe is used as a slur in a number of conversations I've been in, so I don't care to be identified by it. Most use of the term indicates fear or hatred of homosexuals, not just plain disagreement. Some uses do just mean disagreement, but considering that it has two distinct uses you might be cautious about using the word without clarifying your intended use, or else you will offend people who simply disagree with homosexuality because they can easily interpret it as you accusing them of hatred, fear, and the like. Bottom line is I don't care if people don't like it that I don't agree with their lifestyle; I don't agree with it, but I'm perfectly pleasant with every homosexual and bisexual I know. I don't see why I don't deserve the same respect they deserve for... having my own thoughts and way of life... without hurting anyone. I don't particularly think it's cool to call someone a name for that, and I do frankly liken it to using homosexual slurs; I don't see why we have to call people names when they're being plenty pleasant with people. Calling the monstrous people who do try to hurt homosexuals is a-okay by me, but I think it's a little silly to invent a new slur for it. Why not just call them what they are? Hateful jerks and/or monsters.

Anyway, enough of that. Back to the topic question...

What is my problem with homosexuality? It's not something that makes sense to me. I don't mean that I'm just like "but, wuh-wuh-why would someone like the same sex, durrr", I mean that it functionally doesn't have any place that I can see. The more common phrasing you'll hear people say is something like "I don't believe homosexuality is natural", and then that gets quickly rebutted by citations of examples of homosexuality in nature among animals. Yes, some animals -- not all -- engage in homosexual relations. That doesn't do anything to change the fact that it doesn't make sense to me. Animals doing it is NOT a good argument in favor of homosexuality since animals engage in certain other practices humans generally universally consider taboo: Cannibalism, necrophilia, murder, rape, torture, etc., and not all of these are even out of necessity; dolphins murder and rape the corpses of porpoises for fun. Throwing aside the animal example entirely and going with things like "it feels good so how can it be wrong", absolutely everything that "feels good" can kill you in excess, and other things that feel good can damage you outright like a number of drugs. Impulse and desire are not universal tools for determining right and wrong; this cannot be argued. Like anyone, I have angry and destructive impulses that I have to control to be a decent person.

So since I cannot see a reason for homosexuality to exist -- the distinctive traits between the genders pretty visibly only exist for the sake of breeding and I don't really see the point of sexual love unless it's driven by the breeding impulse (not saying you can only have sex to have kids either; don't misunderstand me) -- I find it unnatural, and therefore I disagree with it. To be clear: I don't think it's immoral or hurtful, I think it just plain doesn't make sense, I don't like to see people do things to themselves that I feel are illogical. Sure, plenty of people argue that they were born that way, but I have my doubts, and either way that can also be argued against in the same way animal behavior can; not every pre-existing psychological state people are born with is a good thing either. I'll say this: Human beings are exceptional at deluding themselves; it's seen best in the general human disdain for being wrong. I can't know for sure if that's the case with homosexuals -- I'm not one -- but I wouldn't write it off, at least in some cases. It's also because of this that I worry about overarching appreciation -- not acceptance, but an almost eagerness that I see from time to time -- towards homosexuality, because I've seen cases of people who I believe more or less deluded themselves into acting as homosexuals. Cases where they had a string of bad relationships, declared they hated the opposite sex, and then sought same-sex relationships as some kind of solution to this, which is an absolutely poisonous reason. Maybe this was a case of "the right thing in the wrong way" for some of them and they really were born homosexual, but I really don't believe it was the case for all of them.

That does not mean people shouldn't do what they feel is right; if someone's thought something through and decided the way they're going to be -- where that's a decision of how to act moving forward or a decision to embrace certain pre-existing impulses they already had, it doesn't matter -- then they should embrace it, live by it fully, and do it in the face of anyone who thinks they shouldn't. I'm free to question their decisions the same as they're free to question mine, but in the end I respect that they made their decision and decided who they're going to be, and it's their decision, not mine. I just can't justify it -- that's probably why I'm not gay or bi. :P

Finally to end off on the point of just letting people love... well, I think I've made it plenty clear that I do let people love, and advocate that others do as well. :bleh: As for how it affects my personal view of homosexuality, I still factor it into how I don't see why. Again, I see sexual relations as something evolved as an incentive to breed -- whether or not it's used for that exclusively -- so I don't really understand why someone would express their love sexually for the same sex. I "love" both males and females in my life, but the only ones I have sexual (or, romantic, if you prefer; they're the same thing) feelings for are some of the females... and I don't see how anything else makes sense. *shrug*

[I'm happy to see that you are reasonable and let people love. I just don't understand why people think sex has to involve reproduction anymore, we aren't going to go extinct due to lack of population anytime soon. I guess that they naturally feel the same way about the same sex and you and I feel about the opposite. We don't need to disagree with things just because we don't understand.

Why should a homosexual have to abstain from marriage and sex? Sure, maybe not everything that feels natural is "right", please respond relevantly and specifically for why homosexuality is wrong?]


I disagree with anything that is unnatural, significant and important, and that is either harmful to others (which homosexuality isn't) or harmful to oneself; I do feel homosexually is somewhat self-harmful, and the reason for that is because I don't think it logically makes sense -- I consider it a strange fallacy -- and therefore I think people who engage in it are deluding themselves with that fallacy. The fallacy is this: Sexual relations exist for reproduction, therefore two individuals who have can't and would never be able to reproduce have zero reason to get involved sexually in the first place.

And I said I don't think sex has to involve reproduction. I guess that's confusing so I'll explain: Sex only existed in the first place for reproduction; I don't think there's any disagreement on that. Every animal has their mating habits, from penguins who leave their partners after a year, to wolf packs who usually stay together in a big family all their life. As near as I can see, on a primal level human mating habits are to form families around their sexual relations and form links that way. This started for reproduction, but of course it has other facets and it's obvious that not every heterosexual marriage leads to kids or can even have kids considering things like sterility, but that doesn't mean the relationship doesn't have merit; people still engage in every other facet of the relation because humans are built to connect that way. I don't believe people are purely primal -- we're well beyond that -- so of course people can make their own decisions about how to live, but this is why I see homosexual relations as a fallacy. Yes people hook up and marry for reasons other than reproduction -- because we're hardwired to -- but that doesn't mean that the reproductive urge wasn't a part of why we do it in the first place. Not following the reproductive urge to its eventual purpose? I get it. Having sexual relations with people you can't reproduce with in the first place? It doesn't make sense as a concept.

Since I know you'll ask me what is wrong with homosexuals not following that urge through completely either, I'll simply say: Because there's no reason for them to have the urge towards one another in the first place.

The reason I think homosexuals or people who identify as homosexual in part or in full should resist their urges is because I think indulging in them is the same as indulging in a fallacy, and I never think that's the best thing for someone to do.

Larry Tomczak #fundie #homophobia rightwingwatch.org

Recently, right-wing commentator Larry Tomczak unveiled something he is calling the "30 Day Bullseye Challenge," which consists of 30 short videos outlining the proper Christian worldview on everything from abortion and capital punishment to masturbation and sexting.

Several of the videos, unsurprisingly, address topics related to the issue of homosexuality, which Tomczak explained inevitably leads to disease and misery.

"With all the hoopla about this one and that one, hey, they're coming out and it being a time to celebrate gay marriage and gay lifestyles as normal, natural, beautiful," he said, "people need to awaken ... to the reality that this so-called love story doesn't have a happy ending."

While rattling off a list of statistics about the supposed dangers of gay sex, Tomczak warned that "although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses."

"Depending on the source, homosexual men have an average lifetime number of sexual partners falling anywhere between — listen to this — 250 to 500," he continued. "Engaging in sodomy with the sewage system of another's anatomy is contrary to God's design and it will bring inevitable consequences."

JBrentonK #fundie #homophobia #dunning-kruger atheistforums.org

Atheism. Atheism is not a religion. It is most remote from being a part of this great section. As we know, all atheists are in denial of the simple epistemologicial reality of the "theists". At best, atheism is pure closet homosexuality in public, where the disfigured, disgruntled completely irrational minded man says in front of everybody's face for no apparent reason, completely irrational statements, disguised on purpose which is what's worse. How do we expect a world of rationality and clear thought, to widen our horizons one day, when the level of rationality we see before us is as putrid as an example of this particular type of atheist? How can an atheist even claim his position is religious, or "one of religion", when it completely ignores this significant title by being nothing but a position of hatred? The answer is that it is not a religion, nor has ever been a religion. And the world better wisen up if it expects to one day have categories of religion taken seriously.

So I am furious that atheists believe they can be public homosexuals, physically and irrationally disfigured, christian hating "free souls", with no care to the consequences. But that nevertheless is not the point of my thread. I am furious at YOU, the atheist reader, and his public obvious stupiditys and personal hatreds. Furious with the many instances of atheist "morality" and hundreds of millenia worth of credit towards atheists/atheism. This is the essense of stupidity people, you will not be warned again.

By the by, this IS the reason this is in the religion subforum, I hope you all had a very lovely read, please feel free to reply in kind, I've waited about a month before returning to this low, debased forum for posting my thread about this topic. A topic about religiousness. Please feel free to "express" your religion. :angel:

EtherealMeekle #homophobia captaincynic.com

Even if they are born as gays (I have yet to see any concrete evidence of this) research shows that a homosexual can change orientation as many as eight times during their life and it is true that some heterosexuals have orientation changes as well.
So then homosexuality is simply a lifestyle choice and it is one that will cause severe social problems in the near future.
Toleration is a joke. If you think everyone should be tolerated equally then you go to the prisons and free everyone because people in jail are being discriminated against and that is a hate crime.

Homosexuality defies institution of marriage. This creates the perfect environment to raise a suicidal, abused, or neglected child. This results in a higher rate of crime amongst minors and will create vicious adult criminals. Marriage is the underlying fabric of society and without it we will end up in perpetual civil war.
It is true that the family system is failing but is that a reason to add to its demise?

My point is that we all have to make judgements or else our society will die. You admit to judging when children are involved, does that make you homophobic if an adult gay has a sexual relation with a minor? The problem we face is that homosexuality is a gateway to other more disturbing sexual relations. You judge one because you think it is worse. I judge both because one leads to the other. I am not homophobic I work with a few gay people (really nice guys) one of my best friends in high school was gay. The issue does not lie with the individual but the lifestyle.

What people don’t consider is that the acceptance of same sex marriage actually stops heterosexuals from marrying; this causes children to grow up in a more unstable environment. Marriage has already been a crumbling idea but now it is just been made a complete joke http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/p/purcell/2005/purcell081105.htm
Two straight men are going to get married so that they can get some tax breaks and other benefits tied into marriage. And get this “News of the pending engagement didn’t sit well with same-sex marriage activist Bruce Walker, a Toronto lawyer. He complained that marriage should be for love.” Is Bruce upset that straight men benefit from his fight?

all that a group need to do is convince people that they are being discriminated against. If suddenly there is a threat of committing a hate crime people will openly accept that which they disagree with otherwise they risk being intolerant. If pedophiles can ‘prove’ they are born that way then they have as much legal standing as gays do.

[i bet ethereal is homophobic too.... ]

ou just lost yourself a bet. See this is the kind of logic that perpetuates hate. Some gays choose to make themselves martyrs in an attempt to justify their acts. It’s just a blame game. I am entitled to all the opinions I want and if you don’t like it then maybe you are intolerant

[they had the courage to stand up to their most likely homophobic parents and say “i’m gay”. that’s more than the people who discriminate against them can say.]

Not true the people who discriminate against them stand up to the majority and get labelled intolerant. And being intolerant is a much worse label to live with.

I struggled with sexual identity for a few years. I was often considered gay by those who didn’t know me and I believed that I was really a woman in a man’s body. This was likely a result of gender roles that have been arbitrarily exaggerated and thus causing this confusion. I consciously choose to be straight because it made the most sense to me and I have been perfectly happy with that decision.

Being genetic does not make sense, being a chemical imbalance in the brain does make sense but then that would make being gay a medical condition.

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