#homophobia

All about the Gay Agenda

Alex Jones #conspiracy #homophobia youtube.com

(Transscript of video)
In the interval [?] the Pentagon just tested a gay bomb on Iraq, they considered it, they didn’t [?] consider using it, they used it on our troops, in Vietnam, they sprayed PCP on our troops - Jacob’s Ladder - ha - you think PCP - some horse tranquilizers or something? They got some stuff that’ll whack your brain permanently.
[pause]
Brain chips in the troops. They give the troops special vaccines that really [?] nanotech that auto[?]-re-engineers their brains.
[pause]
Now there is the gay bomb.
[pause]
Look it up for yourself, this is what do you think tap water is, it’s a gay bomb, baby.
[pause]
And I’m not saying people didn’t naturally have homosexual feelings, I’m not even getting into it, quite frankly, give me a break. You think I… I’m, like, shocked by it [?] [incomprehensible] bashing it because I don’t like gay people. I DON’T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER! THEY TURN THE FRICKING FROGS GAY!
[pause]
Do you understand that?
Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! [bangs paper on table]
Crap!
I’m sick of being socially engineered! It’s not funny!

Lady Checkmate #fundie#homophobia#wingnut disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Man massages teen's back at airport, hands him money"

(Fox News cut and paste as usual: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/31/police-man-massages-teens-back-at-airport-hands-him-money.html)

(NOTE: This IS a disturbing story, but it is being submitted due to Lady Checkmate's completely over-the-top response)

Lady Checkmate:
"Alarming content"? The alt-left child-rapists are at it again, trying to seduce a child and introduce him to gay-play with intentions to probably rape him later. Not to mention the pedophile tried to pay the child off.

Krešimir Bagarić #fundie #psycho #homophobia index.hr

{Translation from Croatian by Vman; translator's notes will be given in brackets and italicized, like this}

The Matija Gubec school in Zagreb's Knežžija quarter has a peculiar catechist {= teacher of Religious Education}. While Krešimir Bagarić ought to be teaching his pupils Catholic catechesis, love and forgiveness, he instead tells them which Croatian politicians ought to be killed, whose heads should be impaled on a spike, and he also praises a war criminal, the Serb general Ratko Mladić.


Pupils encourage the catechist in his hatred

Index has obtained a recording of Bagarić's ranting at a lecture for an eighth grade class. One of the pupils recorded it. This is not the first time Bagarić has acted this way, so the child summoned the courage to tape the catechist and deliver the recording to Index. Some children's voices were changed and surnames hidden in the recording in order to protect their identities - even the voices of those who are star pupils and encourage their teacher's hatred.

{audio of Bagarić's rant (in Croatian)}


Impaling people on a spike, all the way to Rijeka and Zagreb

For starters, teacher Bagarić explained to the pupils how he thinks Operation Storm should have looked like.

“We're fools, we should have allowed two corridors {for the Serb refugees and army that were fleeing}. One to Zagreb, the other to Rijeka {major cities in Croatia, they hadn't been occupied by Serb forces}. So after their [citizens'] heads were impaled on spikes, then we come in. That's what should have happened to the fine gentlemen in Zagreb who think that Croatia ends in Karlovac {a city not very far from Zagreb that was on the frontlines during the war}. Idiots and cretins. Short-sighted,” Bagarić put forth as his tactical plan. But that wasn't enough for him. The recording was made in the immediate aftermath of the verdict against Slobodan Praljak, so Bagarić dedicated most of his presentation to the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina, throwing in praise for the [war] crimes [Bosnian Serb army general and Chief of Staff] Ratko Mladić committed against the Bosniaks.


The General was right

“It turns out that the General was right. He protected his own people. The General was right when it comes to Serb interests. While we have suckers. With all due respect to suckers. Even a teacher can be crazy sometimes,” Bagarić added a bit of self-criticism along with the praise.

Following his praise for the man who ordered the killing of thousands of Muslims [in Srebrenica], who kept [Bosnian capital city] Sarajevo under siege for years, who prior to that had no qualms about killing [Croatian] people in Dalmatia, Bagarić then expounded to the students on who in Croatia ought to be killed.


Hanging, suicide with three bullets to the back, being thrown into a septic tank

“Two former presidents and one former minister of foreign affairs ought to be hanged for this, right away. On the double. The man {Stipe Mesić, former President of Croatia} opened the presidential safe and gave away the transcripts. Damn your family to the seventh generation, you traitor. Filthy, smelly traitor. May you never have peace,” the catechist cursed during religious ed class. But a curse and the invocation of hanging weren't enough for him. Bagarić gave other suggestions as well.

“You have the minister of foreign affairs, Vesna Pusić, who speaks openly around the world. You don't have that anywhere but here. Try to imagine a French minister doing a single thing against the Republic. You'll just disappear. Take your pick - heart attack, brain stroke, suicide with three bullets to the back, however it goes. Only we give our prostitutes and traitors important positions.

Only we are such a pathetic nation, there is no nation more pathetic than the Croats,” claimed Bagaric, who has an interesting perspective on Christian love. Bagarić once more returned to the subject of Mesić and Vesna Pusić, stating that they require “a bullet to the head on the double. Throw them into the nearest septic tank. The traitor.”


Croats are 4.2 million cretins

In addition to the aforementioned insults, Bagarić graced the Croatian people with epithets such as “ungrateful rabble, morons, cretins, dunces, 4.2 million cretins”. We repeat, this was during religious education classes.

“We've got neoliberal democratic cretins who think gay is ok and that all of us ought to hold hands together under the rainbow flag,” teacher Bagarić said, adding a bit of homophobic message. At one moment he also commented on his colleagues, the teachers of the Matija Gubec Elementary School.


The colleagues celebrate the Day of the Republic

“You know, in the staff room, it's the Day of the Republic* for 50 percent of the employees,” he claimed, probably considering them to be Yugoslavs or at the very least nostalgic for the former state.

{* The Day of the Republic was a holiday during the socialist Yugoslavia. It was celebrated on the 29th of November. By accusing people of celebrating it, Bagarić wants to imply that they are closet Yugoslavs (read: traitors), closet communists (read: godless traitors) and/or hate everything Croat. All of which are unicorn concepts in modern day Croatia, that is, they are almost non-existent. Simply put, he's basically verbally bludgeoning everyone to the left of Donald Trump.}

We asked the school's principal, Ljiljana Klinger, for an explanation regarding the way Bagarić holds his classes. She answered a few of our questions very briefly.


The principal uses the Vatican Agreements as a cop-out

“In accordance with the Agreements between the Holy See and the Republic of Croatia, the appointment of catechists is within the juristiction of the Catechist Office, as is the responsibility for catechists' professional development and progress. That said, if these allegations are accurate and truthful, there is no doubt that serious professional and legal sanctions will be undertaken. For such drastic offenses we are also obliged to involve the other relevant institutions,” replied the principal of the school, which is - in addition to children from the Knežžija quarter - also attended by the children of foreign diplomats and foreigners working in Zagreb. The school, part of whose teaching is done in the English language, has long been reputed to be one of the best schools in Zagreb, having earned the City of Zagreb Award.

Alfred T. Overstreet #fundie #homophobia gospeltruth.net

(Note: This is in the middle of his lecture where he teaches that Original Sin is unbiblical and than drops this gem)

Homosexuals Are Not Born Homosexuals

Homosexuals often cover and excuse their evil acts of perversion by saying they were born homosexuals. And if the teaching is true that men are born with a sinful nature, homosexuals are right to say they were born homosexuals. For they were born homosexuals if they were born sinners. Also they are right to excuse their evil acts of perversion. For if they were born sinners, they were born homosexuals; and if they were born homosexuals they can no more be blamed for their evil acts of perversion than the brute beasts can be blamed for being born brute beasts. Likewise the alcoholic cannot be blamed for his drinking if it is true he was born with the "disease of alcoholism." In fact the murderer, the rapist, and all other sinners have a perfect and legitimate excuse for all their sins if they were born with a sinful nature. But God never excuses the murderer or the drunkard or the rapist or the homosexual or any other sinner for his sins. For God created all men with a good nature, and for men to sin they must go against their nature: they must sin against nature. All sin is a corruption of man's nature, it is a perversion of man's nature. It is rebellion against our nature--it is rebellion against the "law of God written in our hearts" and against the God who has written his law in our hearts. No man is born a sinner. No man is born with the "disease of alcoholism." No man is born a homosexual:

"Even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature." Romans 1:26
"Also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lusts one toward another." Romans 1:27

"Neither shalt thou lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion." Leviticus 19:22-23

"God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions." Ecclesiastes 7:29

Unknown author #fundie #homophobia loamagazine.org

I am 19 years old and I want to tell you about my healing. I am talking about a serious problem – homosexuality. I want to show that God does heal wounds and inclinations that seem incurable.

When I was a boy in high school, I was like everyone else. I had girlfriends, even steady girlfriends. I went out with one girl for a year and a half. I really felt I was in love with them all. But deep down I felt something else – something that terrified me. I felt an attraction to men. At first, these were just “innocent” fantasies. Later on – like so many young people today – I began experiencing problems with purity. I masturbated and fantasized about boys. I also looked at gay pornography. Once I even had oral sex. I won’t go into details, since that is not what this is about. Now when I think about my past, I feel nothing but loathing for what I did, but I know that it is only in describing what I felt and the change that took place in me that I can truthfully bear witness to God’s mercy.

I feel disgust at what I did, but not at myself, since it is Satan who condemns and accuses me. He is the one who tells us we are worthless and hideous in the sight of God. Even though something may be disgusting in God’s sight, He does not condemn us. What God does do is call us to our senses. He invites us to repent, since by such behavior we only condemn ourselves. “In the same way the men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other. Men do shameful things with each other, and as a result they bring upon themselves the punishment they deserve for their wrongdoing” (Rom 2:27). “Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexuals— – none of these will possess God’s kingdom” (1 Cor 6:9).

By my sinful actions I was offending not only God but also my girlfriend who knew nothing of all this, and of course myself. What made the scandal worse was that all this time I was part of a Christian group. But perhaps this very thing saved my life. It was at these meetings that I really got to know God. Reading the Gospels, I learned that Jesus heals all wounds – including homosexuality. Reading further in the First Letter to the Corinthians, we see this at once: “Some of you were like that. But you have been purified from sin; you have been dedicated to God; you have been put right with God by the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (1 Cor 6:11).

These words gave me hope. God’s purpose in giving us the commandments is to make our journey to heaven easier, not harder! His ordinances are consistent with our human nature. I am therefore absolutely convinced that homosexuality is a disordered attraction – a wound, and not love at all. Coming to this understanding – by no means easy for me – was my first step toward healing.

Here I would like to address all those who wrestle with homosexual tendencies. Do not to fall for the lie that homosexuality is natural! Having struggled with these tendencies myself, I know how tempting this lie is. I am not writing this to scare you but because God has freed me from an addiction to sin and I want you to enjoy this freedom as well. If you find yourself trapped in homosexual behavior, I ask one thing of you: that right after you finish reading this letter you go to Confession. Do it even if this means that for a time you have to spend two hours every third day in the confessional! God wants you to be happy, and homosexuality is a great obstacle to it. You hear Christ telling you this just as most certainly you feel it within yourself. You know you want to be free of your addiction. You want to change, but you keep falling back into sin. Never give up the struggle!

The apostle Peter kept falling too. When he wished to walk on the water, he sank beneath the waves. Three times he denied Jesus, even though he swore before his Master’s death that he would never betray Him. But Peter was great precisely because he always picked himself up again. The number of times you fall, the number of times you look lustfully at a man is not what counts. What is important is your desire to change, to be healed, to stand before God and say, “My Lord, I know I am but a worm in your eyes. And yet this worm is yours. And so I beg you to show me your mercy and heal me. You see that I fall, yet I want to get up again and keep going – towards you, my Lord Jesus, my Savior.”

If you are unable to admit your weakness or to feel remorse, pray that you may feel it. Ask God to pour the grace of repentance into your heart. Remember, it is always Satan who condemns you. Even though it has been a year since my healing, Satan still accuses me; he continually reminds me of the person I was. He does this because he has lost the battle and God’s mercy has won. Scripture consoles us with God’s word: “When anyone is joined to Christ, he is a new being; the old is gone, the new has come” (2 Cor 6: 17) God created us to be holy. Jesus desires our conversion and does everything He can to bring this about in us. He is limited only by our freedom. So ask God to heal your heart and so enable you to entrust yourself entirely to His will. Even though you may not know where you are going, give yourself wholly to Jesus, for He is the Way and the Life.

If you have already embarked on the journey of healing – this may be a very long journey! – remember this: Jesus never, ever, condemns you. When you stumble, He offers you His hand. Do not forget Mary either. She is your Mother too. She wants you to be happy. Happiness is not the freedom of this world but freedom in God. To be happy is to enjoy God’s freedom and His love, and these work miracles. If you hear condemnation in your heart, it is the voice of Satan; he is afraid he is losing you. But do not be afraid yourself! Go to Holy Mass as often as possible, go to Confession immediately after each relapse, adore Christ, ask the Holy Spirit for the gift of freedom, and pray the Holy Rosary. Recent experience tells me Satan fears blessed objects. So carry a rosary, crucifix or holy picture in your wallet. Fight the good fight for God’s freedom, for cleansing, for healing, for liberation from sin. You will be amazed how surely God will lead you. And He will teach how to truly love a woman – with His own love.

So here’s wishing you devout praying and a steadfast battle – with God at your side. May He fortify all those who wish to make a clean break with homosexuality. May He open the eyes of those who have hardened their hearts. May they come to know the Merciful God and by the grace of Jesus and prompting of the Holy Spirit immerse themselves in His Divine Mercy.

Josh #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

It comes down to this: a Christian is someone who has repented and turned to believe in the salvation that Christ bought with His blood on the cross after He was buried and resurrected. I don't see how a God who hates sin could allow us to practice it willingly. Does He forgive us when we sin? To those who have accepted His salvation, yes. Is there a possibility you will sin after you are saved? Absolutely. But the fact of the matter is you should be walking with Jesus towards seeing holiness in your life, or freedom from sin. You were freed when you were saved but it takes time to see it work out in your life. There is no point where a truly saved Christian should think: God is ok with my sin and I can live this way. Sin separates and either you are separated from Him eternally through rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, or separated momentarily through sinning in your relationship with Him.

But you are not walking in the Spirit and having homosexual sex with a man, whether you are married or single. The verse in Leviticus that labels homosexuality an abomination has been fulfilled in Christ. So if something is fulfilled do you now do the opposite of what it said? No by standing in the righteousness of Jesus Christ Who fulfilled the Law, you stand in the righteousness as if you completed each Law yourself. That means in your personal life you uphold the notion that same gender sex is an abomination. You do not turn to another point of view; it would be outside of Scripture not to.

To address Matthew Vines' arguments, God did not need to create a partner suitable for gay man because man was not created to be gay, or else he would be in the garden with Adam. Homosexuality came about after sin entered in. Read Genesis 1-3 and tell me if you see any mention of homosexuality.

Honestly, it doesn't matter if a homosexual man feels like he has to be "celibate" for the rest of his life, or if because of the scriptural teachings of the bible the homosexual is left feeling hurt, torn, and has their dreams broken of becoming married to another man. It doesn't matter because Jesus is trying to emphasize that this was never intended and if a gay person has to learn that they must give up these things as they follow Him so be it. It's better than the alternative; living in the lie of thinking that the Bible approves homosexuality and end up in hell for all eternity because you never truly knew the real Jesus- the Jesus of the Bible.

The real Jesus through His Holy Spirit convicts man of sin. Man has long been convicted of homosexuality as being a sin before this past couple generations who believe orientation is a choice. That's another mistake: to believe that God was not omnipotent enough when writing the Bible to know that there would be gay people trying to find their place. And I tell you He did:
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (?2 Timothy? ?4?:?3-4? KJV)

So the answer is this: homosexuality is a sin. God does not condone it neither does His Word. He hates it but He loves you. It is more important ending up in heaven forever living for Jesus correctly than ending up in hell listening to some guy who doesn't believe the Word of God is the final authority and says that it's ok to live the way you were before you got saved. And then maybe the question is how do you know if you're truly saved to begin with? The gospel is simply stated as so:
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (?Romans? ?10?:?8-11, 13? KJV)

That's it. If you've repented and believed the Gospel and called on the name of Jesus you shall be saved. I hope that God spoke through me tonight. I hope and pray that someone some time is helped by this post. I hate seeing people deceived and I hate seeing deceivers lead people, who don't know any better, into a lie that could cost them their life. Well I pray that God blesses you guys and Jesus saves you :) I hope to see you all in heaven :)

Bruce Atkinson #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

The whole issue of homosexuality is deliberately rigged in God's favor. Just check out the scriptures:: Matthew 19:4-6 (defining marriage), Genesis 1-2 (defining the image of God as male and female), Genesis 18-19 (Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13,
Deuteronomy 23:18, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:10. Jude 1:7 refers to Genesis 19:1-11, the Sodom and Gomorrah incident. These scriptures condemn homosexual behavior as sin, even calling it an abomination that of course, without repentance and amendment of life, will keep you out of heaven. Additionally, there are many more scriptures that condemn sexual sin in general, which is defined as any sexual behavior outside of male-female marriage (this then must logically include homosexual behavior).

Chastity, sexual purity and sexual faithfulness in marriage are virtues valued highly all through the Bible. Their opposite is always condemned. I challenge dissenters to show me the scriptures which say that homosexuality is a good thing or even to be tolerated. They never can meet this challenge because such scriptures don’t exist. In order to maintain the heresy that committed homosexual relationships (and the sexual acts which accompany them) are not sin, a person must of necessity disbelieve and denigrate scripture. This means ignoring it, demeaning it, minimizing its authority, revising it, or re-interpreting it to fit one’s own point of view. This is because the scriptures are quite clear about sex being only right and holy within heterosexual marriage.

Joe Dallas #fundie #homophobia exodusglobalalliance.org

Responding to Pro-Gay Theology

Major denominations ordaining homosexuals, priests and clergy presiding over same-sex weddings, sanctuaries invaded by boisterous gay activists, debates over homosexuality ripping congregations apart-who would have guessed we would ever reach such a point in church history?

A vigorous debate between Christians and homosexuals shouldn't be surprising in and of itself. If author and commentator Dr. Dennis Praeger is right when he says the Judeo-Christian ethic is responsible for the Western World's disapproval of homosexuality,[1] then conflicts between the Church and the gay rights movement are not only understandable, they are inevitable. (While acceptance of homosexuality in ancient cultures is well documented,[2] the past 2000 years of Western thought have, by and large, rejected it,[3] and the influence of both Old and New Testaments can be credited for that.)[4]

What is surprising, though, is the current trend in which these ethics are not only being challenged, but rewritten as well, most notably in the form of the pro-gay theology.

The pro-gay theology is much like the broader gay rights philosophy, in that it seeks legitimization (not just tolerance) of homosexuality. Gay spokesmen have made no secret of this as being their goal in secular culture; activist Jeff Levi put it plainly to the National Press Club during the 1987 Gay Rights March on Washington: "We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right-as heterosexual Americans already have-to see government and society affirm our lives. Until our relationships are recognized in the law-in tax laws and government programs to affirm our relationships, then we will not have achieved equality in American society.[5]"

But pro-gay theology takes it a step further by redefining homosexuality as being God-ordained and morally permissible:

"I have learned to accept and even celebrate my sexual orientation as another of God's good gifts." -gay author Mel White[6]

When God is reputed to sanction what He has already clearly forbidden, then a religious travesty is being played out, and boldly. Confronting it is necessary because it (the pro-gay theology) asks us to confirm professing Christians in their sin, when we are Biblically commanded to do just the opposite. As Christ's ambassadors on earth, we unfaithfully represent Him if a professing believer's ongoing sin has no effect on our relationship with that believer...which is, in essence, what Paul told the Thessalonians:

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. (2 Thes 3:6, 14- 15)

Likewise, when Paul heard of a Corinthian church member's incestuous relationship with his stepmother, he ordered the man be excommunicated (1 Cor 5:1-5), then explained the principle of confrontation and, if necessary, expulsion from the community of believers:

Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast. (1 Cor 5:6-7)

A healthy body purges itself of impurities; the Body of Christ cannot afford to do less. Error, like leaven, has a toxic effect.

The pro-gay theology is a strong delusion-a seductive accommodation tailor-made to suit the Christian who struggles against homosexual temptations and is considering a compromise. Some who call themselves gay Christians may be truly deceived into accepting it; others might be in simple rebellion. What compels them to believe a lie we cannot say. What we can say is that they are wrong...dead wrong.

But even as we say so, the caution of a proper spirit is in order. When we answer the pro-gay theology, we do so as sinners approaching other sinners, nothing more. Rev. Andrew Aquino of the Columbus Baptist Association expressed it perfectly during a recent interview:

My message to the homosexual is: We love you. Come and struggle with us against sin. Don't give in to it.

The Pro-Gay Theology in Brief

Exactly what do the "gay Christians" believe, and how did they come to believe it? The first question is more easily answered than the second. Explaining what a group believes is not hard. Explaining how they have come to believe it is another matter.

We cannot read minds or motives. That, I am sure, is one reason Jesus warned against judging (Mt 7:1). We can be certain the teachings themselves are false; why people have accepted them is something we cannot prove one way or another. Yet the Bible offers clues, and testimonies from members of the gay Christian movement are also enlightening, in helping to understand what the gay Christian movement believes, and what personal and spiritual factors may have influenced their beliefs.

The pro-gay theology is the cornerstone of the "gay Christian" movement (which is comprised of whole denominations, like the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches, as well as gay caucuses within mainline denominations) just as the Athanasian and Nicene Creeds are the foundation of most Protestant's beliefs.[8] The movement is diverse; some of its spokespersons-Episcopal Priest Robert Williams and Bishop John Shelby Spong, for instance -promote flamboyant and blatantly heretical ideas. But most groups within the gay Christian movement ostensibly subscribe to traditional theology. (The Statement of Faith of the Metropolitan Community Churches, for example, is based on the Apostles and Nicene Creeds.)[9]

Although the pro-gay theology claims a conservative theological base, it includes additions and revisions to basic, traditional ethics. First, homosexuality is seen as being God ordained. As such, it's viewed as being on par with heterosexuality. Gay author Mel White points out, quite accurately, that "if you don't see that premise (that God created homosexuality) then gay marriage looks ridiculous, if not insane."[10]

But to be seen as created by God, the traditional understanding of homosexuality needs to be discredited. This is done four basic ways within the "gay Christian" movement. First, prejudice against homosexuals is blamed for the understanding most Christians have of the Biblical references to it. The founder of the Metropolitan Community Churches, Rev. Troy Perry, asserts this is his writings:

To condemn homosexuals, many denominations have intentionally misread and misinterpreted their Bibles to please their own personal preferences.[11]

So, according to Perry and others, not only are most Christians wrong about homosexuality, but many or most are intentionally wrong- deliberately reading their prejudice against gays into the Bible.

White goes even further, stating that major leaders in the Christian community-Jerry Falwell, James Kennedy and Pat Robertson-take public stands against the gay rights movement for the sake of raising funds and increasing their visibility.[12]

Casting doubt on the motives of conservative leaders, and numerous denominations, makes it easier to discount their Bible-based objections to homosexuality. No wonder this tactic is so common in the "gay Christian" movement. Others within the movement contend the scriptures we understand to condemn homosexuality have actually been mistranslated. According to this view, the Bible should be taken literally in its original language; the problem with most Christians, they say, is that they don't know Biblical Greek and Hebrew well enough to realize our modern translations on homosexuality are all wrong.

Another claim pro-gay theorists make is that the Bible verses (Lev 18:22 and 20:13; Rom 1:26-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:9-10) which seem to prohibit homosexuality have actually been yanked out of context from their original meaning, or that they only applied to the culture existing at the time they were written. (Professor Robin Scroogs of Union Theological Seminary, for example, claims, "Biblical judgments about homosexuality are not relevant to today's debate."[13])

These arguments do not sit well with most serious Christians. The scriptures mentioned earlier are so clear and specific they defy interpretation of any sort. "Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman" requires no more interpretation than "Thou shalt not kill." It is intellectually dishonest to say conservatives "interpret" such verses out of prejudice against homosexuals. Those same "prejudiced" conservatives (Falwell, Kennedy, Robertson et al) also take scriptures against heterosexual sins quite literally. If they only prohibit homosexuality out of their own prejudice, why on earth do they, as heterosexuals, also condemn heterosexual sins? The argument makes no sense.

Neither does the "mistranslation" argument. We can allow some discrepancy in minor areas of translation, but, on something as important as sexual ethics, are we really to believe the Bible translators we rely on got it wrong five different times, in two different testaments? And only on the scriptures regarding homosexuality? (Pro-gay apologists seem to have no problem with the other scriptures condemning sins like adultery and child abuse.)

Equally poor is the "out-of-context" argument. The fact is, in Leviticus, Romans, 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, homosexuality is mentioned in the context of sexual and immoral behavior! The context is quite clear-a variety of behaviors are prohibited; homosexuality-along with adultery, fornication and idolatry-is one of them.

The "cultural" argument fares no better. In some cases, a scripture may seem culturally bound (injunctions against long hair on men, or women speaking to their husbands during church.) But again-five times? Five different scriptures, from both testaments, addressed to highly different cultures (from the Hebrew to the Roman) are obviously not culturally bound. The cultures they address are just too different.

All of which leaves conservatives highly skeptical of the "gay Christian" movement's claim to respect Biblical authority. It takes mental gymnastics to accept these inadequate arguments; those not having a stake in accepting them are unlikely to do so. But those having a personal interest the pro-gay theology are another matter. Twist the Scriptures hard enough and you can make them appear to say anything you please. Author Paul Morris raises this very issue when he warns:

But if I were a Christian homosexual, I think this one question would disturb me most: Am I trying to interpret Scripture in the light of my proclivity; or should I interpret my proclivity in the light of Scripture?[14]

An unfortunate pattern of doing the former can be seen in the "gay Christian" movement's testimonials. Rev. Troy Perry writes about having already decided homosexuality was acceptable, then searching the Bible to equip himself to answer conservatives.[15] Mel White alludes, in his book, to some earlier studies of the destruction of Sodom[16] but his turning point seems to have come not from a careful, prayerful study of scripture, but from a psychologist who encouraged him to accept his homosexuality and find a lover![17] And gospel musician Marsha Stevens (composer of the beloved song "For Those Tears I Died" and now openly lesbian) gives a lengthy account of her acceptance of homosexuality without once explaining how she reached the point of believing homosexuality was scripturally acceptable. (The closest she comes is in telling how she prayed one night for confirmation that lesbianism was okay; the next morning someone gave her a pin saying "Born Again Lesbian.")[18] Considering the background and theological training of the above-mentioned believers in pro-gay theology, their acceptance of it is astounding.

Or maybe it is not. Paul predicts an abandonment of truth for the sake of personal fulfillment:

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. (2 Tim 4:3-4)

Self over truth, man over God-can a Christian be so deceived? Evidently- Paul referred to the Galatian church as having been "bewitched" (Gal 3:1), and Jesus warned that a prominent sign of the days before His coming would be an increase in deception (Mt 24:14). To confront the pro-gay theology, then, is to confront a deceptive element of our time- the tendency to subjugate objective truth to subjective experience.

That is one reason confrontation is not enough to change a heart. Being knowledgeable enough to dismantle all the "gay Christian" movement's claims will not be enough to persuade a homosexual to repent. The heart, having been hardened through deception or rebellion or both, has to be softened. And that is the work of God alone. Ours is to simply speak the truth, trusting Him to quicken it to our hearers.

To that end, this three-part series will address the pro-gay theology by dividing its arguments-or tenants-into three categories: social justice arguments, general religious arguments, and scriptural arguments. A brief description of these arguments will be provided, followed by a response/rebuttal to each.

FamiliarFace #homophobia freerepublic.com

There is no homosexual gene. Let me repeat myself. There is no homosexual gene.

If there were, by simple mathematics, there would be no or very, very few gays remaining.

Think about it. Before the in vitro age, gays would only pass on their gay genes via heterosexual intercourse. So if they only desired their same sex, they wouldn’t have any progeny. So fewer and fewer “born that way” gays would be around. If gays were “born that way”, we would be seeing “gayness” less frequently, not more.

Being gay is a choice, even if it is a choice borne of abuse.

Savagesusie #fundie #wingnut #homophobia freerepublic.com

They are one and the same. Both are irrational, vile behaviors and irrational ideology which uses others as a means to an end and is a collective, group-(non)-think, ideology where Truth (God/reality) and reason never exist.

That homosexuals “love” the people whom they desire to sodomize is the Big Lie. It is lust and desire to dominate (control). It is a perverted, warped vile desire (intrinsically disordered) which is caused because of child abuse and child neglect. All behaviors/desires are learned and habituated and trauma in childhood can really warp a child. Children in muslim cultures are severely traumatized, as are sexually abused children and those whom have no loving father figure or an evil mother.

Chastity Bono was raped by a lesbian as a child, as was Milk, Hays, Spacey, Milo, etc. etc. -—all behaviors are learned and habituated in childhood or perverted and warped because of neglect and abuse. The parent who allows the abuse to happen, loses all trust and the anger in a child will make them reject reality, Truth (God), etc. They hate and ability to “love” is warped completely. It is easy to emasculate little boys.

Warping children can be as simple as making little boys hate their fathers which is common for socialist (welfare) “mothers”. That natural need to connect to a male role model for little boys is severely warped and will lead to warped relationship with all males, as it is for girls who have no loving male role model (father). Destroying the Natural family was crucial to the Cultural Marxists who took over our institutions by the 50s—to collapse culture and destroy the virtue in children—so they will be warped.

The fixation in the puerile stage of latency is pure narcissism which is what homosexuality is—a fixation so that true love (selflessness) will not likely occur (the love of “the Other”—true diversity).

Islam is irrational, also, and sodomy is fine in islam, esp. with children. It is a homosexual culture and harems of boys are not abnormal. For procreation, they never allow the irrational concept of “homosexual” “marriage” since males learn to hate women anyhow, and visa versa, which is what homosexuality is all about—immaturity—the inability to love the Other.

Homosexuals love the Same which is always a fixation in latency. All little girls should prefer to play with girls and boys with boys. It is part of normal sexual identity formation which will lead to maturity if no trauma occurs (sex “ed” or rape or lack of loving role models of male and female).

Sex Ed now teaches little boys that they are homosexual in latency if they prefer boys over girls which warps their sexual identity.....as does ALL hyper sexualization of children. Sex Ed was a Lukacs/Adorno creation to destroy the Christian worldview in little children and fixate them in the latency stage and make them totally irrational, dumb, and immature (fixated in latency).

Immaturity is rampant in our culture now, because of the publik skool system which traps children in dependency and group (non) think for 12 years so maturity can never happen (thinking for self). Just programmed “bots” are what the evil, unconstitutional system pumps out.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

I was curious when I saw a show called “American Dad” in the list of the worst shows on TV. FOX TV runs episodes of this program regularly. This particular episode is titled, “Toy Whorey.” In this episode a brother and sister are shown in bed together. The sister is sticking a thermometer in her brother's rear-end. When the father decides to take away his son's toys, the son pulls a gun on his father and shoots him. The father is mugged in the boy's room and then the father crawls out all fours, whimpering like a dog. Next, the father tells the son that he's taking him to a whore-house in Mexico for sex. After leaving three unsatisfactory brothels, the father expresses his frustration by saying that he really wanted to watch his son have sex with a prostitute. Then they meet a Mexican drug-cartel and relish in smelling each other flatulence. The show even mocks fathers by saying, “American dad cares!” The jerks behind the program series know that American dads in fact, DON'T CARE, and that's the big problem in America!

I was socked. I didn't realize how sicko, immoral and bad television has become. I've never really been a TV buff, but in just the few years that I haven't watched any TV it has changed 10,000%!!! I don't recognize one show on TV today. I'm happy about that. You can have the television, I don't need it. I'll spend my spare time learning, making music and working hard to build my ministry for the Lord. FOX features programs about serial killers, sex-perversion, you name it. No wonder America is getting worse and worse!

In another episode of American Dad called “Finger Lenting Good,” there's too much perversion to mention. A decrepit old man has a necklace of cut-off fingers around his neck. The old creepy man say he went on a sex-tour to Vietnam two years ago. While there he started cutting-off and collecting people's fingers. The old man says that he has installed cameras around the home, but didn't put any in the tampons. The saddest part of all is how many Americans flock to watch this sick-minded garbage. Tens-of-millions of viewers watch this garbage!!!

Show creator Seth MacFarlane is a professed, arrogant, defiant, atheist. Bill Maher recently invited Seth MacFarlane onto his show and they both rejoiced as atheists against God and the Bible. MacFarlane is also a staunch supporter of gay-rights. In recognition of “his active, passionate commitment to Humanist values, and his fearless support of equal marriage rights and other social justice issues,” MacFarlane was named the “Harvard Humanist Of The Year” in 2011. MacFarlane is also the biggest loser in God's view. It's important for my web visitors to realize that atheism and every form of wickedness go hand-in-hand. You won't find God in the booze-infested taverns. You won't find God in the adulterous nightclubs. You won't find the God of the Bible in the life of a homosexual.

When I first saw an episode of American Dad!, I knew that MacFarlane was far from God, and I was correct. MacFarlane denies God's existence altogether, which explains why he can produce such evil works like “American Dad!” The show mocks God and makes fun of Christianity regularly, as to be expected. It shouldn't come as a surprise that an atheist would be an active supporter of homosexuality.

David J. Stewart #fundie #wingnut #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

The Communist Agenda of Gay Rights and Evolution

I did some research on singer Taylor Swift, and of the 350,000,000 souls in America, I am the ONLY person who exposes this rotten satanic filth. Am I the only one who notices and get angry over this demonic attack against our youth? It would seem so. Kindly, Taylor Swift has sold her soul for fame and fortune, but her day of reckoning before God almighty is coming!!! Life is short and she cannot take one penny of her $280,000,000 with her into eternity. Truly, Miss Swift is one of the poorest of the damned rich who know not God in history.

To no surprise, when I uploaded my article exposing Taylor Swift's satanism, which is the truth, a false rumor was started (no doubt by her handlers) that she was a high priestess in Anton LaVey's Church of Satan. The reason obviously is to hide the truth of my article. This Church of Satan rumor about Miss Swift has never been verified, so it ought not be taken as credible. However, the music video screenshot in this article I wrote speaks 1,000 words and is satanic to the core, showing that Taylor Swift is clearly fulfilling the agenda of the Luciferian elite to corrupt our youth. Why you say? It is to destroy the Old World Order (family values, faith in God, national patriotism, individuality and morality) and build a New World Order (i.e., the Beast system of the coming Antichrist, the man of sin). Only an ungodly, immoral, senseless people will embrace the man of sin when he comes (which I believe to be quite soon). Any honest observer, who has been around long enough to witness the changes, knows that the whole world is gradually moving toward apostasy (a turning away from Biblical Christianity). Instead, a pagan religion of feel good, love everyone (it is a superficial fake love), sin all you want just so long as you don't hurt anybody (sin always hurt the innocent),

Homosexuality is confusion. Sexual immorality is a sin. God says it is confusion. Young people are being deliberately confused. If parents truly understood the sinister satanic agenda behind Walt Disney, they'd burn the place to the ground. The smut picture industry is a major business today. God hates dirty images. It is a sin to look upon the nakedness of the opposite sex, to whom you are not married. Our baby-murdering, arrogant, neighbor-destroying, God-cursing, ungodly society, scoffs at such high Biblical moral standards. Please don't misunderstand me. We ought not be unkind to those living in sin. However, we must never excuse, pardon or condone such wickedness! Homosexuality is a sin! God hates it! It is confusion. God created human beings male and female. Anything else is total confusion. As long as things are confused, Satan is happy and God is grieved. Anything outside of God's plan is confusion. We are are messed up in America. Europe is messed up! Australia is messed up! Africa is messed up! The world is messed up!

God is a God of order, not disorder! Evolutionists are having a hard time with the discovery of DNA. Why you say? It is because all DNA shows incredible order, and intelligent design, behind creation. Science cannot explain such a great mystery without an omnisapient (all-wise) and omnipotent (all-powerful) God. Ironically, the heathen world has been making many movies to suggest that human life began with aliens. Well, what do you think God is? God is extraterrestrial (not of this earth). I don't believe God is a little green man who travels around in a flying saucer, but by very definition, God is an alien. Could not God be an alien? Ask this question to the next professed atheist who believes in the possibility of alien life. The truth is that they just don't want to believe in a righteous God, because then they are accountable for the sins they commit against Him (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).

The perverted gender identity fraud plaguing America today is intended by Satan to confuse everyone, especially young people. But there is no controversy if you believe the Holy Bible. God created all humans either male or female (Genesis 1:27). It's that simple.

James A. Wilson #fundie #sexist #homophobia #forced-birth #kinkshaming conservatism.referata.com

[From the "About" page of the NTBC's official website (if you could call it official)]

[li]We believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is how the One True God is manifested. We reject any "oneness doctrine" and the "Jesus-only" movement as heretical.[/li]
[li]We reject any idols or any other gods, such as Allah, Buddha, Taylor Swift, and all these other Mormon "gods" and the false gods Jehovah's Witnesses worship.[/li]
[li]We accept the passion, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the only remission of sins, and no "hocus pocus" including "sacrificial" worship has any impact on grace.[/li]
[li]The world is in a fallen state, and anyone who desires to be saved must accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior. We reject Universalism here.[/li]
[li]We believe in baptism by immersion only, and only to be done upon those who are of the age of reason. Baptism is a symbolic act showing the believer buried with Christ and cleansed of sins.[/li]
[li]Likewise, we reject any concept of "original sin" as Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant groups understand it, and thus reject baptismal regeneration and the baptism of infants.[/li]
[li]Men are to be the sole breadwinners, and women are to be in charge of domestic household affairs. This is godly naturally ordained gender roles.[/li]
[li]We believe that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God, and that homosexuals cannot be saved since they are vile reprobate. They are damned eternally for being homosexuals.[/li]
[li]Abortion, capital punishment, physician assisted suicide, and other forms of killing are unequivocally condemned since God hath said "thou shalt not kill."[/li]
[li]Racism in all its forms are likewise unequivocally condemned by New Testament Baptist Church. All creatures are created in the image of God, and one's skin color is irrelevant to one's character.[/li]
[li]Modest attire that covers the entire body is required, and as such we do not accept the movement of men wearing shorts and women showing breasts and legs, for instance.[/li]
[li]All forms of secular music, television, film, and literature are to be treated with the utmost scrupulosity and to be cast out if offending material is found.[/li]

Bob Katter #fundie #homophobia pinknews.co.uk

An Australian MP has lashed out at gay people in a ridiculous rant, saying that “homosexual behaviour” from is responsible for suicides in the country.

Bob Katter, one of just four representatives who voted against Australia’s successful same-sex marriage bill just hours ago, also blamed LGBT people – who he said have only existed for a few decades – for murders. ? If that wasn’t enough, the Member for Kennedy in Queensland also accused gay people of killing children by donating infected blood.

Australian independent Bob Katter announces his decision to back opposition leader Tony Abbott to form government during a press conference at Parliament House in Canberra on September 7, 2010. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard retained power by a tiny, one-seat majority after winning the backing of two key independent MPs in the first hung parliament in decades. Katter, who has previously compared equal marriage to being eaten by a crocodile, sparked outrage with the rambling tirade, both in the House of Representatives and online.

During his rant, the anti-gay politician said: “The people advocating this proposition tonight, the LGBTIs, have maybe 60 years on their side. “I have 3.5 million years of genetic programming on my side, because we human beings, they tell us, have been around for 3.5 million years. “One thing that is absolutely certain is that we’ve all developed from heterosexual couples.”

Katter, who has claimed that homosexual people stole the word ‘gay,’ added that “this country continuously has the highest male juvenile suicide rates in the world”. But rather than back that statement up with statistics, Katter blamed – you guessed it – gay people.

“There is something going wrong here. We have an extraordinary incidence of homosexual behaviour in Australia compared with other nations, and I think the people who have been speaking for this bill would agree with me on that,” he said. After mentioning two murder cases involving only gay people, Katter made the absurd conclusion that these kind of homicides were scientifically more likely.

“There’s no doubt there is a DNA thing there, and some people can handle it but a lot of people can’t,” he told the chamber, before implying that there was a gay conspiracy. “There is a very, very ugly side to this, where the curtain comes down and we’re not allowed to talk about it,” said Katter.

Another LGBT conspiracy, he suggested, was that gay people had killed children by giving them infected blood. “They wanted equality in the giving of blood. “They said, ‘We as homosexuals have a right to give blood,’ so they did, and I think 72 children were injected with AIDS from the blood that was given. “It was hushed up,” he told his fellow lawmakers.

Katter also repeated the ridiculous argument put forward by the defeated No side ever since the postal vote began in September, namely that boys would be forced to wear traditionally female clothing. “If you want to make a young lad between the age of nine or 10 and 15 go to school wearing a dress, you’ll seriously mess with his head,” he said. The politician asked: “Do you think seriously that the LGBT group are going to stop here?”

It doesn’t seem that they will. After all, progress is neverending. Near the end of his speech, Liberal member Christopher Pyne stood up to tell Katter: “Bobby, this is rubbish.” Can’t argue with that.

CSaguaro #fundie #homophobia #quack en.wikipedia.org

I changed from homosexuality through Aesthetic Realism and I know that it has always been for justice and full civil rights for all people, including homosexuals. If, for example, men and women have the right to change their sex (and they should have that right), shouldn't there also be the right to change one's sexual preference, if that is what a person wants?

Joe Dallas #fundie #homophobia equip.org

The recent tragic rash of suicides among homosexual teens, who’d been bullied by classmates and peers, has raised the question of whether Christian teaching about homosexuality inspires bullying and violence against homosexuals. Although no evidence suggests that religious teaching inspired the suicide incidents, and no evidence indicates that Christian teaching influenced the youths who bullied the homosexual teens, a number of celebrity figures have nonetheless accused pastors and Christian leaders of inspiring teens to bully gays. Because this accusation has been repeated often, and through popular media outlets, a number of people seem to believe that biblical teaching on human sexuality inspires some unstable teens to mistreat homosexuals.

These accusations can be rebutted by examining the incidents themselves, the known religious affiliations of all parties involved, the lack of cause and effect links in these cases, and what polls have to say about what does and does not influence modern teens. But it’s also essential that we examine ourselves and our rhetoric, to make certain that our message to homosexuals, and indeed to all people, is biblically balanced, clear, and respectful.

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The answer, of course, takes us back to the basics. Because when it’s all been said and done, the right response to the homosexual movement, population, and individual can be found in three simple steps: We can know the Word of God, seek the Heart of God, and express both the Word and Heart of God to the homosexual. If we resolve to do this, diligently and consistently, we cannot fail.

Sue Bohlin #fundie #homophobia probe.org

Sue Bohlin looks a common myths concerning homosexual behavior that are prevalent in our society. These myths prevent us from looking at homosexuality with a biblical worldview and from dealing with this sin in a loving and consistent manner.

In this essay we’ll be looking at some of the homosexual myths that have pervaded our culture, and hopefully answering their arguments. Much of this material is taken from Joe Dallas’ excellent book, A Strong Delusion: Confronting the “Gay Christian” Movement.{1} While the information in this essay may prove helpful, it is our prayer that you will be able to share it calmly and compassionately, remembering that homosexuality isn’t just a political and moral issue; it is also about people who are badly hurting.

10% of the Population Is Homosexual.

In 1948, Dr. Alfred Kinsey released a study called Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, claiming that between 10 and 47% of the male population was homosexual.{2} He got his figures from a pool of 5,300 male subject that he represented as your average “Joe College” student. Many of the men who gave him the data, though, actually consisted of sex offenders, prisoners, pimps, hold-up men, thieves, male prostitutes and other criminals, and hundreds of gay activists.{3} The 10% figure was widely circulated by Harry Hay, the father of the homosexual “civil rights” movement, urging that homosexuality be seen no longer as an act of sodomy but as a 10% minority class.{4}

Kinsey’s figures were exposed as completely false immediately afterwards, and by many other scientists since. The actual figure is closer to 2-3%.{5} But the 10% number has been so often reported in the press that most people think it’s valid. It’s not.

People Are Born Gay.

Ann Landers said it, and millions of people believe it. The problem is, the data’s not there to support it. There are three ways to test for inborn traits: twin studies, brain dissections, and gene “linkage” studies.{6} Twin studies show that something other than genetics must account for homosexuality, because nearly half of the identical twin studied didn’t have the same sexual preference. If homosexuality were inherited, identical twins should either be both straight or both gay. Besides, none of the twin studies have been replicated, and other twin studies have produced completely different results.{7} Dr. Simon LeVay’s famous study on the brains of dead subjects yielded questionable results regarding its accuracy. He wasn’t sure of the sexual orientation of the people in the study, and Dr. LeVay even admits he doesn’t know if the changes in the brain structures were the cause *of* homosexuality, or caused *by* homosexuality.{8} Finally, an early study attempting to show a link between homosexuality and the X-chromosome has yet to be replicated, and a second study actually contradicted the findings of the first.{9} Even if homosexuality were someday proven to be genetically related, *inborn* does not necessarily mean *normal*. Some children are born with cystic fibrosis, but that doesn’t make it a normal condition.

Inborn tendencies toward certain behaviors (such as homosexuality) do not make those behaviors moral. Tendencies toward alcoholism, obesity, and violence are now thought to be genetically influenced, but they are not good behaviors. People born with tendencies toward these behaviors have to fight hard against their natural temptations to drunkenness, gluttony, and physical rage.

And since we are born as sinners into a fallen world, we have to deal with the consequences of the Fall. Just because we’re born with something doesn’t mean it’s normal. It’s not true that “God makes some people gay.” All of us have effects of the Fall we need to deal with.

What’s Wrong with Two Loving, Committed Men or Women Being Legally Married?

There are two aspects to marriage: the legal and the spiritual. Marriage is more than a social convention, like being “best friends” with somebody, because heterosexual marriage usually results in the production of children. Marriage is a legal institution in order to offer protection for women and children. Women need to have the freedom to devote their time and energies to be the primary nurturers and caretakers of children without being forced to be breadwinners as well. God’s plan is that children grow up in families who provide for them, protect them, and wrap them in security.

Because gay or lesbian couples are by nature unable to reproduce, they do not need the legal protection of marriage to provide a safe place for the production and raising of children. Apart from the sexual aspect of a gay relationship, what they have is really “best friend” status, and that does not require legal protection.

Of course, a growing number of gay couples are seeking to have a child together, either by adoption, artificial insemination, or surrogate mothering. Despite the fact that they have to resort to an outside procedure in order to become parents, the presence of adults plus children in an ad hoc household should not automatically secure official recognition of their relationship as a family. There is a movement in our culture which seeks to redefine “family” any way we want, but with a profound lack of discernment about the long-term effects on the people involved. Gay parents are making a dangerous statement to their children: lesbian mothers are saying that fathers are not important, and homosexual fathers are saying that mothers are not important. More and more social observers see the importance of both fathers and mothers in children’s lives; one of their roles is to teach boys what it means to be a boy and teach girls what it means to be a girl.

The other aspect of marriage is of a spiritual nature. Granted, this response to the gay marriage argument won’t make any difference to people who are unconcerned about spiritual things, but there are a lot of gays who care very deeply about God and long for a relationship with Him. The marriage relationship, both its emotional and especially its sexual components, is designed to serve as an earthbound illustration of the relationship between Christ and His bride, the church.{10} Just as there is a mystical oneness between a man and a woman, who are very different from each other, so there is a mystical unity between two very different, very “other” beings–the eternal Son of God and us mortal, creaturely humans. Marriage as God designed it is like the almost improbable union of butterfly and buffalo, or fire and water. But homosexual relationships are the coming together of two like individuals; the dynamic of unity and diversity in heterosexual marriage is completely missing, and therefore so is the spiritual dimension that is so intrinsic to the purpose of marriage. Both on an emotional and a physical level, the sameness of male and male, or female and female, demonstrates that homosexual relationships do not reflect the spiritual parable that marriage is meant to be. God wants marriage partners to complement, not to mirror, each other. The concept of gay marriage doesn’t work, whether we look at it on a social level or a spiritual one.

Jesus Said Nothing about Homosexuality.

Whether from a pulpit or at a gay rights event, gay activists like to point out that Jesus never addressed the issue of homosexuality; instead, He was more interested in love. Their point is that if Jesus didn’t specifically forbid a behavior, then who are we to judge those who engage in it?

This argument assumes that the Gospels are more important than the rest of the books in the New Testament, that only the recorded sayings of Jesus matter. But John’s gospel itself assures us that it is not an exhaustive record of all that Jesus said and did, which means there was a lot left out!{11} The gospels don’t record that Jesus condemned wife-beating or incest; does that make them OK? Furthermore, the remaining books of the New Testament are no less authoritative than the gospels. All scripture is inspired by God, not just the books with red letters in the text. Specific prohibitions against homosexual behavior in Romans 1:26-27 and 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 are every bit as God-ordained as what is recorded in the gospels.

We do know, however, that Jesus spoke in specific terms about God’s created intent for human sexuality: “From the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; and the two shall be one flesh. . . What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder” (Matt. 19:4-6). God’s plan is holy heterosexuality, and Jesus spelled it out.

The Levitical laws against homosexual behavior are not valid today.

Leviticus 18:22 says, “Thou shalt not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; it is an abomination.” Gay theologians argue that the term “abomination” is generally associated with idolatry and the Canaanite religious practice of cult prostitution, and thus God did not prohibit the kind of homosexuality we see today.

Other sexual sins such as adultery and incest are also prohibited in the same chapters where the prohibitions against homosexuality are found. All sexual sin is forbidden by both Old and New Testament, completely apart from the Levitical codes, because it is a moral issue. It is true that we are not bound by the rules and rituals in Leviticus that marked Yahweh’s people by their separation from the world; however, the nature of sexual sin has not changed because immorality is an affront to the holiness and purity of God Himself. Just because most of Leviticus doesn’t apply to Christians today doesn’t mean none of it does.

The argument that the word “abomination” is connected with idolatry is well answered by examining Proverbs 6:16-19, which describes what else the Lord considers abominations: a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises evil imaginations, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaks lies, and a man who sows discord among brothers. Idolatry plays no part in these abominations. The argument doesn’t hold water.

If the practices in Leviticus 18 and 20 are condemned because of their association with idolatry, then it logically follows that they would be permissible if they were committed apart from idolatry. That would mean incest, adultery, bestiality, and child sacrifice (all of which are listed in these chapters) are only condemned when associated with idolatry; otherwise, they are allowable. No responsible reader of these passages would agree with such a premise.{12}

Calling Homosexuality a Sin Is Judging, and Judging Is a Sin.

Josh McDowell says that the most often-quoted Bible verse used to be John 3:16, but now that tolerance has become the ultimate virtue, the verse we hear quoted the most is “Judge not, lest ye be judged” (Matt. 7:1). The person who calls homosexual activity wrong is called a bigot and a homophobe, and even those who don’t believe in the Bible can be heard to quote the “Judge not” verse.

When Jesus said “Do not judge, or you too will be judged,” the context makes it plain that He was talking about setting ourselves up as judge of another person, while blind to our own sinfulness as we point out another’s sin. There’s no doubt about it, there is a grievous amount of self-righteousness in the way the church treats those struggling with the temptations of homosexual longings. But there is a difference between agreeing with the standard of Scripture when it declares homosexuality wrong, and personally condemning an individual because of his sin. Agreeing with God about something isn’t necessarily judging.

Imagine I’m speeding down the highway, and I get pulled over by a police officer. He approaches my car and, after checking my license and registration, he says, “You broke the speed limit back there, ma’am.” Can you imagine a citizen indignantly leveling a politically correct charge at the officer: “Hey, you’re judging me! Judge not, lest ye be judged!'” The policeman is simply pointing out that I broke the law. He’s not judging my character, he’s comparing my behavior to the standard of the law. It’s not judging when we restate what God has said about His moral law, either. What is sin is to look down our noses at someone who falls into a different sin than we do. That’s judging.

The Romans 1 Passage on Homosexuality Does Not Describe True Homosexuals, but Heterosexuals Who Indulge in Homosexual Behavior That Is Not Natural to Them.

Romans 1:26-27 says, “God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” Some gay theologians try to get around the clear prohibition against both gay and lesbian homosexuality by explaining that the real sin Paul is talking about here is straight people who indulge in homosexual acts, because it’s not natural to them. Homosexuality, they maintain, is not a sin for true homosexuals.

But there is nothing in this passage that suggests a distinction between “true” homosexuals and “false” ones. Paul describes the homosexual behavior itself as unnatural, regardless of who commits it. In fact, he chooses unusual words for men and women, Greek words that most emphasize the biology of being a male and a female. The behavior described in this passage is unnatural for males and females; sexual orientation isn’t the issue at all. He is saying that homosexuality is biologically unnatural; not just unnatural to heterosexuals, but unnatural to anyone.

Furthermore, Romans 1 describes men “inflamed with lust” for one another. This would hardly seem to indicate men who were straight by nature but experimenting with gay sex.{13} You really have to do some mental gymnastics to make Romans 1 anything other than what a plain reading leads us to understand all homosexual activity is sin.

Preaching Against Homosexuality Causes Gay Teenagers to Commit Suicide.

I received an e-mail from someone who assured me that the blood of gay teenagers was on my hands because saying that homosexuality is wrong makes people kill themselves. The belief that gay teenagers are at high risk for suicide is largely inspired by a 1989 report by a special federal task force on youth and suicide. This report stated three things; first, that gay and lesbian youths account for one third of all teenage suicides; second, that suicide is the leading cause of death among gay teenagers, and third, gay teens who commit suicide do so because of “internalized homophobia” and violence directed at them.{14} This report has been cited over and over in both gay and mainstream publications.

San Francisco gay activist Paul Gibson wrote this report based on research so shoddy that when it was submitted to Dr. Louis Sullivan, the former Secretary of Health and Human Services, Dr. Sullivan officially distanced himself and his department from it.{15} The report’s numbers, both its data and its conclusions, are extremely questionable. Part of the report cites an author claiming that as many as 3,000 gay youths kill themselves each year. But that’s over a thousand more than the total number of teen suicides in the first place! Gibson exaggerated his numbers when he said that one third of all teen suicides are committed by gay youth. He got this figure by looking at gay surveys taken at drop- in centers for troubled teens, many of which were gay-oriented, which revealed that gay teens had two to four times the suicidal tendencies of straight kids. Gibson multiplied this higher figure by the disputed Kinsey figure of a 10% homosexual population to produce his figure that 30% of all youth suicides are gay. David Shaffer, a Columbia University psychiatrist who specializes in teen suicides, pored over this study and said, “I struggled for a long time over Gibson’s mathematics, but in the end, it seemed more hocus-pocus than math.”{16}

The report’s conclusions are contradicted by other, more credible reports. Researchers at the University of California-San Diego interviewed the survivors of 283 suicides for a 1986 study. 133 of those who died were under 30, and only 7 percent were gay and they were all over 21. In another study at Columbia University of 107 teenage boy suicides, only three were known to be gay, and two of those died in a suicide pact. When the Gallup organization interviewed almost 700 teenagers who knew a teen who had committed suicide, not one mentioned sexuality as part of the problem. Those who had come close to killing themselves mainly cited boy-girl problems or low self-esteem.{17}

Gibson didn’t use a heterosexual control group in his study. Conclusions and statistics are bound to be skewed without a control group. When psychiatrist David Shaffer examined the case histories of the gay teens who committed suicides in Gibson’s report, he found the same issues that straight kids wrestle with before suicide: “The stories were the same: a court appearance scheduled for the day of the death; prolonged depression; drug and alcohol problems; etc.”{18}

That any teenager experiences so much pain that he takes his life is a tragedy, regardless of the reason. But it’s not fair to lay the responsibility for gay suicides, the few that there are, on those who agree with God that it’s wrong and harmful behavior.

Sue Bohlin #fundie #homophobia blogs.bible.org

A recent email from a friend: "Sue, I'm seeing more and more 'evangelical' churches come out in support of gay marriage. Also, Christian friends are changing their views on the validity of the LGBT lifestyle being acceptable for a Christ-follower. I start worrying that I'm missing something, and even start questioning my beliefs."

No, my dear friend, you are not missing something, but it is a good time to question (not doubt) your beliefs so you can be more convinced than ever that the Creator God has not changed and neither has His word.

I think there are two big reasons so many confessing believers in Christ have allowed themselves to be more shaped by the culture than by the truth of God's word, drifting into spiritual compromise and even into apostasy (abandoning the truth of one's faith). This is not a new problem; the apostle Paul urged his readers in Rome, "Don't let the world around you squeeze you into its own mold, but let God re-mold your minds from within. . ." (Romans 12:2, Phillips).

Reason One: Rejecting the Authority of God's Word

The bitter fruit of several decades of shallow preaching, teaching and discipleship is that many believers have been especially vulnerable to Satan's deceptive question to Eve in the Garden of Eden: "Did God really say . . .?" When Christians ignore or flat-out reject the unmistakably clear biblical statements condemning homosexual relationships, they are playing into the enemy's temptation to justify disobedience by making feelings and perceptions more important than God's design and standards.

There are now two streams of thought on same-sex relationships and behavior, the Traditional View and the Revisionist View. The Revisionist View basically says, "It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, it doesn't mean what 2000 years of church history has said it means, it means what we want it to say."

People are redefining the Bible, gender and marriage according to what will let them do what they want, when they should (in my opinion) be asking the insightful question posed by Paul Mooris in Shadow of Sodom, "[A]m I trying to interpret Scripture in the light of my proclivity, or should I interpret my proclivity in the light of Scripture?"

The Bible:
Traditional View
The Bible is inspired by a Holy God and is inherently true and trustworthy. The Bible is written by men, but divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit and is sealed by a God of truth and authority.
Revisionist View
The scriptures which traditional Christianity understands to condemn homosexuality [such as Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 1 Timothy 1:9-10] have either been mistranslated, yanked out of context or were only appropriate to the culture of that time. Therefore, we no longer have to follow passages we don't like.

Sexuality:
Traditional View
Sexuality and sex are God's good gifts to men and women. While sexuality is an essential attribute of human nature, our Creator did not intend it to be the defining characteristic of humanity.
Revisionist View
Sexuality—the feelings and attractions one feels for other people—is God ordained, diverse, deeply personal and morally permissible. One's sexual orientation, whatever it is, should be celebrated as one of God's good gifts.

Gender:
Traditional View
God created both male and female in His image, and each gender reflects different aspects of the imago Dei. God's sovereign choice of gender for every person reflects His intention for that person's identity; it is one of the ways in which he or she glorifies Him as Creator.
Revisionist View
We are free to make a distinction between sex and gender. Sex is biological maleness or femaleness at birth, and gender is how one feels about their "true" maleness or femaleness internally. Based on Galatians 3:28, "there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Marriage:
Traditional View
Marriage is God-ordained between one man and one woman in a lifelong, monogamous, covenantal relationship. The Bible begins with the marriage of Adam and Eve, and ends with the marriage of the Lamb (Jesus) and the Bride (the church). The complementarity of husband and wife express God's intention of both genders in marriage.
Revisionist View
Homosexual behavior is appropriate within the confines of a committed, loving, monogamous, lifelong, Christ-centered relationship.

Both individual Christians and churches have drifted into endorsing same-sex relationships because it always feels better to follow one's flesh than to follow Jesus' call to "deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Me" (Matt. 16:24).

Reason Two: Snagged by the Gay Agenda

In addition to those several decades of shallow preaching, teaching and discipleship I mentioned earlier, many believers have not been submitting themselves to the truth of the Word of God. By default, then, they were easily shaped and swayed by the six points of a brilliantly designed "Gay Manifesto" spelled out in a book called After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s. Originally published as an essay called "The Overhauling of Straight America" that was published in a gay magazine, the authors laid out this plan which has been executed perfectly in the United States. (The quotes below are from the essay, found here)

1. Desensitization and normalization of homosexuals in mainstream America. Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and often as possible.

"The principle behind this advice is simple: almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances.

"In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent—only later his unsightly derriere!"

2. Portray members of the LGBTQ community as victims. Indoctrinate mainstream America that members of the LGBTQ community were "born this way."

"In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector."

"Now, there are two different messages about the Gay Victim that are worth communicating. First, the mainstream should be told that gays are victims of fate, in the sense that most never had a choice to accept or reject their sexual preference. The message must read: 'As far as gays can tell, they were born gay, just as you were born heterosexual or white or black or bright or athletic. Nobody ever tricked or seduced them; they never made a choice, and are not morally blameworthy. What they do isn't willfully contrary - it's only natural for them. This twist of fate could as easily have happened to you!'"

3. Give protectors a just cause: anti-discrimination

"Our campaign should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, should instead take anti-discrimination as its theme."

4. The use of TV, music, film and social media to desensitize mainstream Americans to their plight as gay people

Over the past 25 years, gay characters, on TV especially, have captured the hearts of American viewers because they were attractive, funny, smart—the kind of characters viewers would like to be. No one was shown the dark underside of gay bars and bathhouses, or same-sex domestic violence, or having to get one's HIV+ status checked.

5. Portray gays and lesbians as pillars in society. Make gays look good.

"From Socrates to Shakespeare, from Alexander the Great to Alexander Hamilton, from Michelangelo to Walt Whitman, from Sappho to Gertrude Stein, the list is old hat to us but shocking news to heterosexual America. In no time, a skillful and clever media campaign could have the gay community looking like the veritable fairy godmother to Western Civilization."

Use celebrities and celebrity endorsement. And who doesn't love Ellen DeGeneres?

6. Once homosexuals have begun to gain acceptance, anti-gay opponents must be vilified, causing them to be viewed as repulsive outcasts of society.

"Our goal is here is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream's self-righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilt. Second, we intend to make the antigays look so nasty that average Americans will want to dissociate themselves from such types.

"The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes whose secondary traits and beliefs disgust middle America. These images might include: the Ku Klux Klan demanding that gays be burned alive or castrated; bigoted southern ministers drooling with hysterical hatred to a degree that looks both comical and deranged; menacing punks, thugs, and convicts speaking coolly about the 'fags' they have killed or would like to kill; a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed."

This is how I see how we got to this place where so many people have been deceived. They didn't anchor themselves to the Truth of the Word of God, and they opened themselves to the cultural brine of Kirk and Madsen's plan to overhaul straight America.

And it worked.

I will close with three personal observations about this situation:

Christians have bought into the culture's worship of feelings over God's unchanging revelation
People love how being a protector of the underdog makes them feel
Not enough of us Christ-followers are living lives that demonstrate the beauty and satisfaction of abiding in Christ
To my sweet friend who asked the question, let me say: God's good gift of sex and the intimacy of the marriage relationship is still intended ONLY for one man and one woman for life. In the beginning, one (Adam) became two (when God formed Eve from Adam), and then the two became one again. That is a deep mystery that makes all variations and deviations on God's intention wrong.

I am indebted to Hope Harris for her insight and analysis of this question.

Taxman #homophobia freerepublic.com

I am so tired and disgusted that the word “gay” has been forced on American society by militant homosexual activists.

Homosexuals are homosexual, not “gay!” And there is nothing gay about being homosexual!

The English language is specific: call homosexuals “homosexual,” America!

Joe Dallas #fundie #homophobia jesuspeopleinfo.org

Answering a Homosexual Argument

The Destruction of Sodom

Genesis 19:4-9

By Joe Dallas

Before they [the angels visiting Lot to judge the wicked-ness of Sodom and determine whether or not to spare it] had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them [lit., ‘so we may know them’]." Lot went outside to meet them—and said, " No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men—." —And they said, "We’ll treat you worse than them."

Traditional Position:

The men of Sodom were attempting homosexual contact with Lot’s visitors. Sodom was subsequently destroyed for its great wickedness, homosexuality playing a major role in its destruction.

Pro-Gay Argument #1:

Sodom was destroyed because of the inhospitality of its citizens, not because of homosexuality.

Professor John Boswell, in Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality (University of Chicago Press 1980), supports this view, basing it on two assumptions: first, that Lot was violating Sodom’s custom by entertaining guests without the permission of the city’s elders, thus prompting the demand to bring the men out "so we may know them"; second, that the word "to know" did not necessarily have a sexual connotation.

The Hebrew word yada appears 943 times in the Old Testament; it carries a sexual meaning perhaps 10 of those 943 times. The argument, then is that the men of Sodom had no sexual intentions towards Lot’s visitors.

Response:

The argument makes no sense in light of Lot’s responses. His first response, "Don’t do this wicked thing," could hardly apply to a simple request to "get to know" his guests. His second response is especially telling: he answered their demands by offering his two virgin daughters-another senseless gesture if the men wanted only a social knowledge of his guests. And why, if these men had innocent intentions, was the city destroyed for inhospitality? Whose rudeness was being judged-Lots’, or Sodom’s citizens?

The theory raises more questions than it answers. While Boswell and Bailey are correct in pointing out the seriousness of inhospitality in Biblical times, inhospitality alone cannot account for the severity of Lot’s response to the men, or for the judgment that soon followed.

Pro-Gay Argument #2:

Sodom was destroyed for attempted rape, not homosexuality.

This argument is more common; it is proposed by lesbian author Virginia Mollenkott and others, and is far more plausible than the "inhospitality" theory.

"Violence-forcing sexual activity upon another-is the real point of this story," Mollenkott explains. Accord-ingly, homosexuality had nothing to do with Sodom’s destruction; had the attempted rape been heterosexual in nature, judgment would have fallen just the same. Violence, not homosexuality, was being punished when Sodom fell.

Response:

The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persua-sive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies, but her argument is weaken-ed by Professor Thomas Schmidt’s cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites ‘sexually promiscuous’ (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to ‘Sodom, which departed from the order of nature’ (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were ‘polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh’ (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom.

Pro-Gay Argument #3:

The real sins of Sodom, according to Ezekiel 16:49, were that it was "arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." These have nothing to do with homosexuality.

Response:

Again, the argument is partially true. When Sodom was destroyed, homosexuality was only a part—or symptom—of its wickedness. Romans Chapter One gives a similar illustration, describing the generally corrupt condition of humanity, while citing homosexuality as a symptom of that corruption. But Ezekiel also says of the Sodomites: "They were haughty and did detestable things before me" (16:50). The sexual nature of these "detestable" things is suggested in 2 Peter 2:6-7:

If he (God) condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men—

And again in Jude 7:

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Dr. Bruce Metzger of Princeton Theological Seminary mentions other references to Sodom’s sexual immorality in 3 Maccabees 2:5: "the people of Sodom who acted arrogantly, who were notorious for their vices." And again in Jubilees 16:6: "the uncleanness of the Sodomites."

The pro-gay interpretation of Sodom’s destruction has some merit: homosexual rape was attempted, and the Sodomites were certainly guilty of sins other than homosexuality. But in light of the number of men willing to join in the rape, and the many other references, both Biblical and extra-Biblical, to Sodom’s sexual sins, it is likely homosexuality was widely practiced among the Sodomites. It is also likely that the sin for which they are named was one of many reasons judgment finally fell on them.

scottinoc #wingnut #homophobia freerepublic.com

Common sense is why he’s President Trump. This is a no-brainer, and the kind of thing you can’t poll, because everyone wants to think they are tolerant and progressive socially. But it makes absolutely no sense, at a minimum, to enlist additional recruits whose main commitment in life is to be a different gender than what their chromosomes indicate. My guess is that the majority of thinking people found the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy good enough, and it should have been kept that way.

Various academics and Tom O’Carroll #homophobia telegraph.co.uk

"Paedophilic interest is natural and normal for human males,” said the presentation. “At least a sizeable minority of normal males would like to have sex with children — Normal males are aroused by children.” Some yellowing tract from the Seventies or early Eighties, era of abusive celebrities and the infamous PIE, the Paedophile Information Exchange? No. Anonymous commenters on some underground website? No again. The statement that paedophilia is “natural and normal” was made not three decades ago but last July. It was made not in private but as one of the central claims of an academic presentation delivered, at the invitation of the organisers, to many of the key experts in the field at a conference held by the University of Cambridge.

Other presentations included “Liberating the paedophile: a discursive analysis,” and “Danger and difference: the stakes of hebephilia.” Hebephilia is the sexual preference for children in early puberty, typically 11 to 14-year-olds. Another attendee, and enthusiastic participant from the floor, was one Tom O’Carroll, a multiple child sex offender, long-time campaigner for the legalisation of sex with children and former head of the Paedophile Information Exchange. “Wonderful!” he wrote on his blog afterwards. “It was a rare few days when I could feel relatively popular!” Last week, after the conviction of Rolf Harris, the report into Jimmy Savile and claims of an establishment cover-up to protect a sex-offending minister in Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet, Britain went into a convulsion of anxiety about child abuse in the Eighties. But unnoticed amid the furore is a much more current threat: attempts, right now, in parts of the academic establishment to push the boundaries on the acceptability of child sex.

A key factor in what happened all those decades ago in the dressing rooms of the BBC, the wards of the NHS and, allegedly, the corridors of power was not just institutional failings or establishment “conspiracies”, but a climate of far greater intellectual tolerance of practices that horrify today. With the Pill, the legalisation of homosexuality and shrinking taboos against premarital sex, the Seventies was an era of quite sudden sexual emancipation. Many liberals, of course, saw through PIE’s cynical rhetoric of “child lib”. But to others on the Left, sex by or with children was just another repressive boundary to be swept away – and some of the most important backing came from academia.

In 1981, a respectable publisher, Batsford, published Perspectives on Paedophilia, edited by Brian Taylor, a sociology lecturer at Sussex University, to challenge what Dr Taylor’s introduction called the “prejudice” against child sex. Disturbingly, the book was aimed at “social workers, community workers, probation officers and child care workers”. The public, wrote Dr Taylor, “generally thinks of paedophiles as sick or evil men who lurk around school playgrounds in the hope of attempting unspecified beastliness with unsuspecting innocent children”. That, he reassured readers, was merely a “stereotype”, both “inaccurate and unhelpful”, which flew in the face of the “empirical realities of paedophile behaviour”. Why, most adult-child sexual relationships occurred in the family!

The perspectives of most, though not all, the contributors, appeared strongly pro-paedophile. At least two were members of PIE and at least one, Peter Righton, (who was, incredibly, director of education at the National Institute for Social Work) was later convicted of child sex crimes. But from the viewpoint of today, the fascinating thing about Perspectives on Paedophilia is that at least two of its contributors are still academically active and influential. Ken Plummer is emeritus professor of sociology at Essex University, where he has an office and teaches courses, the most recent scheduled for last month. “The isolation, secrecy, guilt and anguish of many paedophiles,” he wrote in Perspectives on Paedophilia, “are not intrinsic to the phenomen[on] but are derived from the extreme social repression placed on minorities —

“Paedophiles are told they are the seducers and rapists of children; they know their experiences are often loving and tender ones. They are told that children are pure and innocent, devoid of sexuality; they know both from their own experiences of childhood and from the children they meet that this is not the case.” As recently as 2012, Prof Plummer published on his personal blog a chapter he wrote in another book, Male Intergenerational Intimacy, in 1991. “As homosexuality has become slightly less open to sustained moral panic, the new pariah of 'child molester’ has become the latest folk devil,” he wrote. “Many adult paedophiles say that boys actively seek out sex partners — 'childhood’ itself is not a biological given but an historically produced social object.”

Prof Plummer confirmed to The Sunday Telegraph that he had been a member of PIE in order to “facilitate” his research. He said: “I would never want any of my work to be used as a rationale for doing 'bad things’ – and I regard all coercive, abusive, exploitative sexuality as a 'bad thing’. I am sorry if it has impacted anyone negatively this way, or if it has encouraged this.” However, he did not answer when asked if he still held the views he expressed in the Eighties and Nineties. A spokesman for Essex University claimed Prof Plummer’s work “did not express support for paedophilia” and cited the university’s charter which gave academic staff “freedom within the law to put forward controversial and unpopular opinions without placing themselves in jeopardy”.

Graham Powell is one of the country’s most distinguished psychologists, a past president of the British Psychological Society and a current provider of psychology support services to the Serious Organised Crime Agency, the National Crime Squad, the Metropolitan Police, Kent Police, Essex Police and the Internet Watch Foundation. In Perspectives on Paedophilia, however, he co-authored a chapter which stated: “In the public mind, paedophile attention is generally assumed to be traumatic and to have lasting and wholly deleterious consequences for the victim. The evidence that we have considered here does not support this view — we need to ask not why are the effects of paedophile action so large, but why so small.”

The chapter does admit that there were “methodological problems” with the studies the authors relied on which “leave our conclusions somewhat muted”. Dr Powell told The Sunday Telegraph last week that “what I wrote was completely wrong and it is a matter of deep regret that it could in any way have made things more difficult [for victims]”. He said: “The literature [scientific evidence] was so poor in 1981, people just didn’t realise what was going on. There was a lack of understanding at the academic level.” Dr Powell said he had never been a member of PIE.

In other academic quarters, with rather fewer excuses, that lack of understanding appears to be reasserting itself. The Cambridge University conference, on July 4-5 last year, was about the classification of sexuality in the DSM, a standard international psychiatric manual used by the police and courts. After a fierce battle in the American Psychiatric Association (APA), which produces it, a proposal to include hebephilia as a disorder in the new edition of the manual has been defeated. The proposal arose because puberty in children has started ever earlier in recent decades and as a result, it was argued, the current definition of paedophilia – pre-pubertal sexual attraction – missed out too many young people. Ray Blanchard, professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto, who led the APA’s working group on the subject, said that unless some other way was found of encompassing hebephilia in the new manual, that was “tantamount to stating that the APA’s official position is that the sexual preference for early pubertal children is normal”.

Prof Blanchard was in turn criticised by a speaker at the Cambridge conference, Patrick Singy, of Union College, New York, who said hebephilia would be abused as a diagnosis to detain sex offenders as “mentally ill” under US “sexually violent predator” laws even after they had completed their sentences. But perhaps the most controversial presentation of all was by Philip Tromovitch, a professor at Doshisha University in Japan, who stated in a presentation on the “prevalence of paedophilia” that the “majority of men are probably paedophiles and hebephiles” and that “paedophilic interest is normal and natural in human males”. O’Carroll, the former PIE leader, was thrilled, and described on his blog how he joined Prof Tromovitch and a colleague for drinks after the conference. “The conversation flowed most agreeably, along with the drinks and the beautiful River Cam,” he said.

It’s fair to say the Tromovitch view does not represent majority academic opinion. It’s likely, too, that some of the academic protests against the “stigmatisation” of paedophiles are as much a backlash against the harshness of sex offender laws as anything else. Finally, of course, academic inquiry is supposed to question conventional wisdom and to deal rigorously with the evidence, whether or not the conclusions it leads you to are popular. Even so, there really is now no shortage of evidence about the harm done by child abuse. In the latest frenzy about the crimes of the past, it’s worth watching whether we could, in the future, go back to the intellectual climate which allowed them.

Porcupine #homophobia animenewsnetwork.com

If you think about it in terms of what is most nasty and unnatural, I think the true order ranks like this:

Most natural and least nasty - Pedophilia. Especially involving any girl already past puberty regardless of her age. If she's 10 years old but can have kids and looks attractive, I think liking such a girl is totally natural (and vice versa for guys).

Semi-natural and fairly nasty - Homosexuality and Lesbianism. Yuck! Although since I'm a guy I don't think Lesbianism is yucky, and many girls probably don't think Homosexuality is yucky either. Hahaha. Actually, there may be ways to argue why one might be naturally yuckier than the other, but I don't want to get into that.

Defeat Modernism #homophobia youtube.com

Police Film: Homosexuals are Predators and Pedophiles

Beware: American film preventing homosexuals from predators. This Police Officer relates the intrinsic link between homosexuality and pedophilia. Boys and young men, protect yourself! They are now in the wilderness.

Porter ODoran #fundie #homophobia orthodoxchristianity.net

Homosexuality is the shutting off of a human biological purpose and the death of a human genetic line. As such, it is "wrong" in "scientific" terms if nothing else. It is also the thwarting of a human social purpose, peace and harmony between the human sexes which tend to find themselves opposed while loving connections between them very much work to soften that opposition and unite the sexes in human purpose. The very ancient and nearly-universal religious objection no doubt has these in mind but may make the matter personal as well, one of the heart of creature toward Creator, a heart that should be disciplined by gratitude in all areas of human life.

I could go on, but these things are really not very material, as (which I pointed out before) the situation in Germany is not one of condemning or not condemning homosexuality -- but of repurposing marriage for some reason. And, no, you haven't even attempted to answer why that should be done, what "good" it is. When an entire population and its social and legal framework is to be revised, perhaps there should be a compelling -- a very compelling -- reason. By changing the subject you're obviously hoping to move the onus.

Psalm 144 #homophobia freerepublic.com

For nearly the entirety of its history, the Soviet Union prosecuted homosexuality as a felony. Silence in the West.

The Russian Federation now restricts the propagation and promotion of homosexuality among children, and treats it as a misdemeanor, and they are the worst thing since Hitler enslaved negroes to build the pyramids without straw. Horse puckey.

More puke thought from the degenerate Transnationale. May God reward them as they deserve.

David #fundie #homophobia chriskratzer.com

David: staying away from OT, since we mostly ignore all it says because it was pre-jesus, i stick to NT where it is just there in the pages. I have a third stance: i also think the Word says it,s not ok. i do not have a problem with gays or their community. I believe God loves them and wills for them to go to heaven. I am friendly to gays and their comminity, i believe i am to love others no matter what. I think if someone who considers himself gay wants to follow jesus, they will face these verses and will either choose to ignore them or not, but its all a process. There are verses i am in the process of living, and that doesnt make me un-christian, but im not trying to change their meaning either. Maybe i dont feel like forgiving someone who really did something bad to me, and the word says i must, but i dont do it— Maybe one day, ill grow in my walk with him enough to finally forgive, but i will not change the verse to fit me, i should change to fit it.

Christopher: Except the word has changed over the centuries. Be have been altering and adding, subtracting to the text since the Bible was first formed. Anyone who has actually studied it and its history will know this and that no modern translation of the Bible is perfect nor 100% accurate.

David: I think the text we have today is reliable enough. But for the sake of dialogue, I would offer this thought: So the text we have today, in this matter, is either accurate or not accurate. If it is accurate, the warning is that (as well as many other offenses), homosexuality can derive in eternal death. Anyone who chooses to believe the text is not accurate, as you argue, would then have to be willing to run the risk of not partaking of life eternal. What if that person gets to heaven and in the judgement they find out the text was accurate? So for example, imagine you’re about to get a blood transfusion. The blood may or may not be contaminated with a deadly virus or bacteria. Would you take the risk?
If not, then why take the risk with your eternity?

Christopher: The fact that there are different translations that said different things over the centuries shows that the texts we have today are not accurate. No modern translation is perfect and there whave been things that have been added to the scriptures. One of which is the doctrine of Eternal Hell and condemnations of homosexuality; neither are in the original langauges, in fact gay marriage was in practice in the early church, notably with two martyrs Sergius and Barcchus. I have seen Orthodox Jews and experts on the original Greek and Hebrew that affirm that the modern translations against homosexuality are inaccurate, backed up by Orthodox scholarship (Hope Remains Online is the place to start and is quick to answer further questions on its contact forms). These guys are experts in the languages with decades of study under their belt. Actually studying the history of the Bible you’d see this, it’s not hard to look up nor are the imperfections of every mordern Bible plain to see. The Bible is as in error as eveything on this earth, especially as far as translations go.

David: Sadly, again, there will be another set of “scholars” and “experts” on the matter who would contradict what you just said. It will be up to you and me to choose who to believe, but surely a group is correct and the other one is wrong. I believe the description in Romans 1 is quite clear. You can find a quote online saying on the matter: Most scholars hold that Paul had two passages of the Book of Leviticus, 18:22 and 20:13, in mind when he used the word ??se?????ta?, — with most commentators and translators interpreting it as a reference to male same-sex intercourse. (note “most”) — so again, you can choose to believe either group, yet what is at stake is too important.
I think in this matter, I’d be looking for certainty, since we are talking about a very serious issue – again, the penalty for such actions could be eternal death (note I did not say Hell—). It is ultimately up to you and whoever reads the texts we have today to decide to take the risk to accept or reject the classical interpretation on this matter.
I believe an honest heart, a humble heart can hear from God in the matter beyond what other people say and what scriptures say. So I would just pray for a God confirmation on the matter. That way, the moment I’d face Him I’d know my conscience is clear from any sin on the matter. Jesus said to deny ourselves and follow Him. Every area where the text says we should deny ourselves, we should. Being honest is not always easy, being faithful to your spouse is not always easy, being loving to all is not always easy— and we are all in a process. Eventually sexuality should not keep us away from God. It’s not that important. It eventually fades. People should not exchange an eternity without God for a few years of exercising sexuality. Sex is a temporary thing. And again, I say this of the whole list – fornication, adultery, “immorality” (whatever that one means), and yes, homosexuality.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesusisprecious.org

Dr. Nixon Downplays the Perverseness of Homosexuality

Again, Dr. Nixon states on page 21:

These are perfectly “normal” people who have been created by God for unique purposes.

SOURCE: Dr. David J. Nixon with R. G. Hamm, “BORN THAT WAY AFTER ALL,” P. 21; ©2016, BORN THAT WAY MINISTRIES, INC.; ISBN: 978-1-942559-05-4.

I've already shared with you details from Dr. Nixon's book about a young man named Sam. When Sam gets to college, he is approached soon thereafter by a homosexual classmate, who says that he and some other sodomite boys think Sam is queer too. The next thing you know, that queer student is literally sodomizing Sam. Listen to what Johnny Nixon writes about this wicked, perverse, vile, young male dog:

It would be easy for us to think that the motives of the young man who approached Sam were in some way sinister. I prefer to think that he was probably another Sam, just a bit further down the road.

SOURCE: Dr. David J. Nixon with R. G. Hamm, “BORN THAT WAY AFTER ALL,” P. 16; ©2016, BORN THAT WAY MINISTRIES, INC.; ISBN: 978-1-942559-05-4.

Folks, the Holy Bible literally calls sodomites “dogs.” Deuteronomy 23:17, “There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.” A dog will do the most disgusting things to other dogs, and to itself. They are dirty animals. Dogs have no regard for morality, because they are animals. When people live without morals, they are acting just like filthy dogs.

Shep Voice #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

[=Looking at the guys disqus profile, you see that he goes on this rant on numerous pages following the Orlando Massacre in 2016=]

Some say homosexuality harms no one but this is not true. If it was simply about “separation” of church & state that might be 1 thing. But its not:

“Normalizing” same sex relationships & marriage does have a major negative impact, harming hetrosexual families. You may not understand “cause & effect” consquences but by approving same sex lifestyles you have a negative effect on inocent gullible impressionable children. They copy adult behavior.

I call it the “undertow effect” as more children get swept into this behavior. They start with thinking 2 guys kissing or holding hands, etc. is normal behavior & later that its not bad & some take it farther. It will make it easier for gays to recruit more older children right under your nose – cause & effect laws of physics which cannot be broken w/o Jesus in your life=breakdown of the fabric of society just as Jesus prophecied 2000 years ago=spiritually selling & eating your children=acceleration of slavery to sin. The world & the US are making a grave mistake approving gay marriage.

The gay perversion is 1 of the hardest sins to get out of because it goes to the very core of your brain, spirit & being (internal sins are the worst. Its why the Bible calls it an abomination). The gay perversion is like a social cancer. Leave it in place & it will spread though out the body. Its now spreading through out society. Many ways SEEM right but its end=death (Hell, where you live alone forever). Find and carefully study my other posts. They all go together.

There are real reasons for not accepting gay and related behaviors as normal. Thus not all who are against homosexuality are homophobic nor are all whom are against such behaviors coming from hate as a motive.

Pride comes before the fall of a man. Pride parades come before the fall of mankind. However, many confuse TRUTH (upsets & offends many) and HATE. Telling someone the truth does not mean you hate them. Many ways SEEM right but its end=death (Hell).

Sleeping with/marrying your own gender is in effect SLEEPING WITH/MARRYING YOURSELF which equals being LOVER OF SELF which is an abomination [God's VALID REASON against this practice (right vs wrong love)]. It wrongly distorts, merges and blurs God’s male/female creation differences, characteristics, attributes and purpose-Lev 18:22, Rom 1:26-32, 1 Pet 4:3-4: Gal 5:19-21: 1 Cor 6:18-20. Also, even 1 man/1 woman marriages cannot be rightly put together w/o understanding God’s purpose for it (why there are so many divorces).

Accepting, promoting or participating in gay lifestyles are against God. You cannot remain a Christian if you do these things. It mocks God. Jesus was not talking out 2 nor 1000s of sides of His mouth=no confusion. Only one God can occupy true 360 deg infinity and that God is the God of Israel. Two true 360 deg infinities can not exist at the same time. Occupying this position you can never die=no other legit gods can exist.

Also, under the NT slavery (and killing anyone) was never approved. Neither God nor Jesus were ever into race nor were they ever against interracial marriage. What comes from God lasts forever. What comes from man, including his manmade religions & gods die with him. Why should God want you to live with Him forever if you do not want to know Him, His way, not yours?

Because God is real and made Commandments to His true believers, they must in turn not accept anything God does not approve of. In fact, true Christians should only grieve for the families (not the dead) in private or among themselves. They should not do anything publicly that even looks like they support homosexuality (it is called an abomination because it goes to the very core of one's brain and soul, making it one of the hardest sins to get out of=worst sins). We are not even to look like we accept, support and/or we are participating in their sin as that makes it look like we are promoting their sin which the Bible warns us not to do.

In other words, true Christians do not go to gay anything (i.e. clubs, parades, weddings, wakes, funerals, stores, watch gay shows [like the primetime ones aimed at children], movies (drives up ratings) or send your children to Boy Scouts or other organizations, etc. that install gays as leaders or try to get children to see gays as normal.

If a preacher said to kill them he is dead wrong. However, many are making a huge mistake. There is a huge difference between God's true love and worldly ideas of what love is coming from their sin nature and lack of understanding of who God and Jesus are. There is no use praying for the dead - Lk 9:60 (the unsaved are dead already and the dead cannot hear you nor can they do anything to change their status once they are dead); Lk 12:20.

No human is a child of God unless they become a true follower of Jesus = Jn 3:16-*18-21; *36; 1:12-13 = you must turn to Jesus to become a child of God (see Jn 3:3,5 - Nichodemus was a very religious man yet Jesus told him even he must be born anew or he cannot be a child of God. God's true love to the unsaved is to tell them that they need to be born anew and rightly follow Jesus not joining in in acceptance of them as they are. Find and carefully study my other posts (Hos 4:6). They all go together.

Martin Palmer #homophobia #wingnut orthochristian.com

How refreshing it is to finally hear someone say what is right about Russia instead of all the unnecessary bashing. I am sick of having the gay agenda not just throw in my face but having it practically rammed down my throat. Until 1967, the UK jailed homosexuals and now, because of massive guilt over their past, they advertise this lifestlye as being somehow more than normal;i.e., larger than life. Watching British TV and dating lifestyles, one would easily imagine that 25% of the population is gay. Fine with me. Let them breed themselves into oblivion. If homosexuals want to be accepted by society, maybe they should finally begin to take themselves seriosly; conforming to society, instead of trying to make society conform to their abberrant lifestyle. Who would have thought that 50 years ago Russia, in the world arena, would serve as a model to us all.

LightPiercesDarkness #fundie #conspiracy #homophobia reddit.com

The media is CONSTANTLY taking turns kicking Christianity. If you dont believe in something why keep talking about it? Why is satanic imagery and every sinful work imaginable continuously pushed in the media? Why Does the Simpsons, American Dad, Adventure Time, countless music videos, countless movies, countless TV shows bash God if He doesn't even exist? Why do they bother? Why does Imagine Dragons say in their song called "Thunder" say "Before I was lightning I was Thunder" which is a direct reference to satan himself, then in the music video for that song have a character that looks, well, like satan himself dancing around sheep of all things? Why does the female demon in that song have the tongue of a serpent?

Why does Kesha in her songs music vid called "Praying" bow at an altar with the all seeing eye on it which represents lucifer? Why are the pig men in that video who chase her wearing black suits with lightning bolts on it, which again represents satan? Why does the lead singer of Panic at the Disco bother to have the Baphomet satanic pentagram put over his face in one of his vids? Why is it that in the same video you see a satanic ritual happen? Why is it that in Katy Perry's corny basket ball music video the bad guys are called "Sheep?" and why does Katy Perry's team gain so much power after what is obviously witchcraft is performed in the half court circle? You see that over and over again in music videos and in performances. They perform in a circle the with weird spiritual unnatural imagery the same as a witch does her craft within a circle. Is there really no agenda?

Why is it that in nearly every single trending hit music video homosexuality is being pushed, one after another, knowing that aids kills? Why do they continue to glorify smoking even AFTER science now knows very well that it kills you? Why does Thirty Seconds to mars in their video "Walk On Water" push the idea of the NWO, homosexuality, in one quick deceptive flash even pedophilia, and when talking abut faith show muslims bowing to their God more than once, and the only thing they show remotely close to Christianity is an older man putting his hands on a teenage man's head in what looks like could be a church, but looks like no church service I have ever seen? Why does 21 Savage glorify gun violence? Why does Miley Cyrus throw a big fit saying we need gun control although she has held guns in her music video? Come to think of it, dang, thats most of them! "No guns, no guns!" But their music videos glorify it! Hypocrites! No agenda?

Why does Miley Cyrus in her video for "Malibu" close one eye three times throughout the vid? Why does she HAVE TO BE half naked? Why does she have a pyramid and eye tatoo on her fingers? Why is Beyonce glorified as a godess? Why did people cut themselves for her on the night of the blood moon? Why was she lifted up on a throne dressed as a goddess while many bowed to her on stage? Why did those bowing to her form a perfect circle around her? Why does she say that she has a demon in her named Sasha and that it is Sasha who gives her her ability to perform so well? Want more? Oh but, but the devil and God don't exist!??

LoreMariano #fundie #homophobia en.wikipedia.org

(This fundie is a member of a obscure NY-based cult that was famous in the 90's for claiming they could cure gay men of homosexuality.)

There is nothing being whitewashed here. The subject of homosexuality has not been presented at the Aesthetic Realism Foundation in over 20 years. There are men who have changed from homosexuality through the study of Aesthetic Realism who deserve to live their lives as they have chosen, just as gay men deserve to live their lives as they choose. As has been said many times, Aesthetic Realism has always been in favor of equal civil rights for gay men and women.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia #forced-birth jesus-is-savior.com

I do NOT hate anyone here at Jesus-is-Savior.com; on the contrary, I LOVE people very much. The whole purpose of my ministry is to HELP people. There is a war on for our minds and souls. I do not discriminate in any way. I simply present the truth, particularly the truth of God's Word, and expose those who seek to distort, confuse, and corrupt the truth. The Devil is a beautiful liar. The best way to expose the darkness is to shine the light. John 8:45, “And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.” —Jesus Christ

Galatians 4:16, “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” —The Apostle Paul I do NOT intend to be unkind to anyone. I simply speak the truth. My website preaches to me as much as anyone else. I do NOT hate anybody. What I DO hate is evil and damnable heresies that ruin people’s lives and lead them into Hell. "The fear of the LORD is to HATE evil..." —Proverb 8:13

I do NOT hate the sinner, no not one. As Christians we like people for their good qualities, but we are supposed to love them despite their faults. No one is perfect. In fact, Jesus only died for “the ungodly.” Romans 5:6... “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.” —Romans 5:6

There is no sinner that God doesn't love. Only a hypocritical, self-righteous person would claim that God doesn't love the worst sinner. Christ died for the UNGODLY, which is what you and I are. There is hope for anyone who acknowledges their guilt of sin and looks to Jesus Christ for forgiveness. It's not what you're doing that gets you to Heaven, it's where you're looking. Look to Jesus!

No one hates sin any more than God, yet He sent His only begotten Son in the flesh to die for men's sins... "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." —Romans 5:8

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, HATRED, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” —Galatians 5:19-21

“Hatred” of people is a work of the flesh, it is sin. Hatred is normal for the unsaved or “carnal man” who is living in sin, but the Bible teaches that hatred of people is not acceptable with God. God wants believers to be “spiritually minded.” God's love is an unconditional love, which is not dependent upon how people live or treat us. Few people understand the love of God, that sent Jesus to die for the sins of a rotten world that deserves nothing better than eternal punishment in Hell. If God didn't unconditionally love sinners, including the unsaved, then all humanity would immediately plunge into the depths of Hell. The Bible teaches that humanity is prone to DISOBEDIENCE and WRATH...

“Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the CHILDREN OF WRATH, even as others.” —Ephesians 2:2,3

God describes humanity as the “children of disobedience” and the “children of wrath.” Human nature is prone to disobey God. History evidences that mankind is destined to war and destruction. There is so much hatred in the world today. It's a dog-eat-dog world. We see much hatred in the manure-spreading newsmedia. We see much hatred in today's youth, who despise Christianity and have been taught to feel sympathy for godless homosexuals and abortionists. Very few people these days genuinely love the God of the Bible. "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned EVERY ONE to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." —Isaiah 53:6

As believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are NOT supposed to hate anyone. The Bible commands us to hate sin and evil, but never the people. This is not to say that we ought to sinfully compromise and yoke together with heathens, it just means that we are no better than anyone else and we'd all immediately plunge into Hell if it weren't for God's grace. As mentioned already, this is NOT a hate sight. It is actually a “Love Site.” My love for the Lord prompts me to contend for the faith and exercise my God-given religious freedom. Our rights do not come from the Bill of Rights or the U.S. Constitution, they come from God Almighty. The Constitution only outlines our rights. We are born with certain inalienable rights. One of these rights is the freedom of speech. Evil men may take that right away from us, but God certainly doesn't. We have a right to speak out against the evil and corruption hurting our community.

As a matter of fact, God commands us to refute evil. Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." I mean no harm to anyone, nor do I seek to offend. The truth may hurt, but it needs to be spoken. The truth makes some people mad. The truth offends most people. Is it any wonder why God calls us “the children of disobedience?”

John 8:40, “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth—” —Jesus Christ

Hopefully you will find this ministry a blessing and a benefit (as so many have). If you are offended, please know that it was not my intention. It is the truth that offends people, not me. I am not trying to upset anyone, though the truth often upsets people. I am just a voice. I am only expressing my heart-felt Christian beliefs. It is my hope that you will “have mercy on me” as you browse over my website, i.e., my ministry. Surely with all of the truths on a website this large, something will rub you the wrong way. I respect your right to disagree. It's ok to agree to disagree. I do not mean to offend anyone; however, I make no apologies for speaking the truth.

I do NOT enjoy upsetting people. There's hardly a day that passes when I'm not surprised by something new I've learned. My website is the accumulation of 7-years of things I have learned, and I've just scratched the surface. You needn't believe anything I say; but rather, verify the facts for yourself. I avoid topics such as UFO's that cannot be verified. There's a lot of deliberate misinformation on the internet, intended to discredit legitimate websites that promote the truth. I want to deal in FACTS, which cannot be explained away.

I praise God for the Constitutional right to express my opinion. This is every American's right. My purpose is NOT to attack people, God forbid. I am simply trying to expose false teachings and false religions, that send men and women to Hellfire by the tens-of-thousands every day. When you love someone, you tell them the truth, even if it makes you unpopular. I recently went to the grocery store. I had a nice conversation with a young man and a young woman who worked for the store. The young man helped to unload my groceries and place them onto the checkout counter. I thanked him. The young woman was working the register. He rolled the cart to the end of the counter and left a case of root beer in the cart. I mentioned the case of root beer to the cashier, but she didn't charge me for it. I knew they were trying to be friendly and I knew they were trying to give me a free case of root beer, but I couldn't allow them to do it.

I again asked her if she had charged me for the case of root beer and then she apologized for missing it. She couldn't look me in the eye when she handed me my credit card back. They had tried to steal from the store to be nice to me. I wanted to make friends with them and didn't like refusing their token of kindness, but it was wrong, it wasn't their food to give away. Although I felt bad, and they felt bad, I did the right thing. I spoke the truth. I would rather have no friends than have thieves as friends. I am not perfect, but I have enough things to answer to God for without adding more to it. At some point in life, we need to get serious about serving God. If we love God, then we'll make an effort to do right.

2nd Thessalonians 2:10, “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” The Bible teaches in 2nd Thessalonians 2:10 that many people will be deceived in the Last Days by the Antichrist because they received not the love of the truth. The truth is important. The Word of God is truth (John 17:17).

“Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath.” —Ephesians 4:26

May I say, it’s ok to be angry. Jesus became angry when the priests had turned God's house into a den of thieves. However, notice the next part of the verse we just read... “and sin not.” Jesus became angry, but he didn't sin. Jesus never sinned (2nd Corinthians 5:21). As an example: I hate abortion! I think abortion is cold-blooded murder. Less than .01% of total abortions are caused by incidents of rape and incest. Yet, these extremes are often used to justify all abortions. Ninety-nine percent of all abortions are simply the evil deeds of irresponsible people. HOWEVER, I don't hate anyone involved with abortion, not one bit. I love them because God has commanded us to love all people. Don’t you think that if God wanted to put an end to this mess, He could? Of course God could! And He will friend, in His own time.

Psalm 47:8, "God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness."

I can't say much about blocking abortion clinics, because I would jump right in front of the door if it were my child about to be murdered. The Bible commands me to love my neighbor as myself (Leviticus 19:18). If that were me about to be aborted, I would want someone to save my life! Americans have hit a new moral low, now murdering their own babies? It is wickedness. Abortionists have the same sick philosophy as Adolf Hitler, i.e., that certain classes of people have a right to life, and others don't. Abortionists don't believe that the unborn fetus has a right to life. They effectively believe that the living are superior to the fetus in the womb. A society that will murder it's unborn is capable of any evil imaginable. Any evil imaginable!

The Scriptures teach, “Be ye angry, and sin not.” There is a fine line between faith and foolishness. We should be angered about abortion, day and night. However, we must be careful to channel that anger through constructive channels which will prevent further abortions, not put us in prison. The best way to fight abortion is by word-of-mouth and public education. We can all SPEAK OUT against abortion in an appropriate manner as civilized people. And we must speak out..."Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" —Psalm 94:16

Anti-abortion signs are working great nationwide. Thousands of babies have been spared the tortuous death of abortion. God bless the efforts of the folks at Repent America and Operation Rescue. We can do many good things to fight the New World Order, feminism, abortion, homosexuality, etc cetera; but we must not become hateful of the sinner. The best way to stop abortion is to hold up the graphic posters of aborted pieces of children for expectant mothers to view, and to educate them about available Christian adoption services. The wicked politicians and judges in America, who have permitted the murder of tens-of-millions of babies, will give account to God, just as wicked King Herod had to give account for murdering thousands of children in an attempt to kill Jesus. Most of all, the American public is to blame, for tolerating such wickedness and remaining silent concerning evil.

Admittedly, there are many religious “nuts” in the world. As true believers, the Bible should create in us a “sound mind” (which is spoken of in the book of Second Timothy)—“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND.” —2nd Timothy 1:7

"Sound" meaning "clear in thought." We are to be level-headed while the world is going insane. The world has become a large insane asylum. If crazy people want to murder their children, we must NOT join the craziness. No "sound" individual would take the life of their own child. I have only used the issue of abortion as an example of how believers are supposed to behave themselves. We are to HATE sin; but not the sinner. Unfortunately, it's getting to the place where Christians won't even be able to speak out anymore against sin if the heathen get their way. We are living in a rotten society. I foresee the day when churches will lose their tax-exemption for speaking out against homosexuality, and be prosecuted for not hiring them. The Bible says the day is coming when the wicked will kill believers, thinking they are doing God a favor...

"They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."
—John 16:2

We read that evil men and seducers will become worse and worse..."But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit." —Jude 1:17-19

"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." —2nd Timothy 2:13

God’s people are to be peace-loving people—“If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.” —Romans 12:18

God’s people are to be peaceful people—“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” —Hebrews 12:14

Dr. John R. Rice wrote a book entitled, “I Am A Fundamentalist!” In that book, there is a chapter called, “I Am a Fundamentalist, Not a Nut.” There’s plenty of nuts in the world; God’s children should NOT be in that group. Hating evil is a Biblical command (Psalm 97:10). Taking a stand against evildoers is Biblical (Psalm 94:16). I speak the truth in love as Ephesians 4:15 tells us to. Teaching the inspired Word of God is certainly not hatred. Abortion is murder and someone needs to speak out on behalf of those human beings in the womb. Genuine love speaks the truth.

So friend... having said all the above, I want to say once more... This is NOT a hate site, it is a LOVE site. May God bless you friend and always remember, GOD LOVES PEOPLE!!!

PlasticPill97 #homophobia reddit.com

[reply in thread titled "People against LGBT rights, what are the reasons you feel this way other than religious beliefs?"]

Bad for society due to lack of reproduction. I honestly would not have a problem with gay people if they acted like they used to. Get married, have a family, be normal, and maybe do gay shit on the weekends with the boys.

Another big problem I have is that homosexual acceptance, and the backlash of homophobia, has led to a world where male bonding is not really accepted like it used to be. Nowadays anytime two young men do something affectionate, they have to endure jeers from their friends about whether they are gay or not. Some of the young men may get so confused they start acting gay because everyone is saying they are gay. This didn't used to happen. Men should be able to effeminate sometimes without being accused of homosexuality. Like Liberace, he was super gay, but it was a massive surprise for people when he came out, this is how it should be. Sexuality should not be a defining factor of one's identity.

Pauline Hanson #homophobia southerncrossaustereo.com.au

PAULINE HANSON: SOMEONE WILL PAY THE PRICE FOR GAY MARRIAGE

Jackie O: What’s your stance on gay marriage?

Pauline Hanson: What a person does behind their own closed doors is their own business, but the fact is I don’t agree with gay marriages, or gay’s adopting children, or invitro fertilisation, and I have a lot of gay friends that agree with me, and that that’s my view on it.

Jackie O: That is a pretty old fashioned view isn’t it, the younger generation are a little more for it.

Kyle: The young ones they don’t care, they just say let’s just everyone do everyone, let everyone come in, this country was built on immigrants, let’s just open up the doors and let’s just dance.

Pauline Hanson: It’s wonderful that people have opinions and views on these things, but the hard fact is at the end of the day someone’s got to pay the price for all this, people have to understand what happened in the past to discover this land, the diggers that fought for us

Kyle: Didn’t they fight for us to be free… so that we can all have gay sex!

Pauline Hanson: It’s not for me Kyle.

Kyle: It’s not for me either, but nearly every single but there’s a lot of friends I have… the main question that I’ve noticed is, it’s treating people like second class citizens, if they want to get married let them get married.

I’ll put it to you this way, once the marriage is recognised by law, then they have the rights to adopt children,

Jackie O: But they should be able to have children Pauline.

Pauline Hanson: But then you look at the child, have they been asked? You have a man, and then you have a women that’s what it’s all about. You think of the children as well.

Jackie O: Your old fashioned views… your generation won’t be around in 20-30 years time…

Pauline Hanson: And I’ll be quite happy about that too because I don’t like the way the world is going.

Jackie O: The new generation they’re a lot more open to it, I don’t think they’re as judgemental, if you’re in a gay relationship you absolutely should be able to have children.

Kyle: Pauline have you ever been in a lesbian relationship?

Pauline Hanson: Kyle! (laughs) I can’t even believe you’re asking me that question.

Gerhard #fundie #homophobia premier.org.uk

It is funny to see those LGBT's here to claim to be hated so much by other Christians. How deluded must they be to think to tell you off for doing wrong equates to hate - but then they are also been victims of their selfish delusion that to be loved means that people have to condone their actions. They are like stuck in puberty thinking Jesus would praise them as a sign of love. The delusion is strong in them but that is what was prophesised

allendale #homophobia freerepublic.com

It is delusion to ignore the reality that at the core of every homosexual there is a child molester. Honest homosexuals will admit that their initiating and imprinting homosexual experience was when they were minors and their “partner” was an adult.

Jared Musgrove #fundie #homophobia tvcresources.net

The Truth About David and Jonathan

”But, dude, they were gay.“

That was the response from a young collegiate after I shared a devotional on David and Jonathan with a group of Christian college men years ago. Such was the firestorm that followed. Several guys approached me asking why I would argue that Christian men take a page from David and Jonathan. ”They were gay,“ these guys said.

”Were they?“ I responded. ”Where in the story do you see that?“ They pointed out part of the passage from which I’d been teaching – ”the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul“ (1 Sam. 18:1-5) – and stated that there must be some homosexual context.

I’ve consistently encountered such misunderstanding, as well as bold-faced attempts to hijack David and Jonathan for the sake of normalizing (and wrongly biblicizing) homosexual relationships. There are literally books on the subject. These allegations are based on a cursory reading of the Bible’s description of David and Jonathan being characterized by ”love,“ a knitting of souls and their making of covenant with each other.

But there are few better examples of biblical truth colliding against modern cultural views than in Jonathan’s love for David. Their relationship defied social norms and carried political ramifications – but not in a homosexual manner.

These were two faithful men concerned for God’s good and well versed in the Scriptures. They loved God’s law and plan for relationships. To force a homosexual explanation upon Jonathan and David ignores everything we know of them.

If you choose to hang your ideological hat on the use of the word ”love,“ know that the exact same word (in Hebrew and English) is used to describe all of Israel and Judah’s love for David (1 Sam.18:16). Was the entire nation involved in some romantic tryst with David? Certainly not.

Just verses later, the same word describes the feelings of David’s wife toward him. There are ambiguities and nuances with the Hebrew word ahab (love) as much as there are in our English interpretations of the word ”love.“ It doesn’t always refer to eros. To force it upon David and Jonathan isn’t true to the text or intent.

As for David and Jonathan themselves, a godly friendship and more are on display. Just not the ”more“ that homosexual agendas would have you think.

Jonathan, King Saul’s own son and warrior prince of Israel, seems the most likely and right choice to assume the throne of Israel after his father. But Jonathan is aware at the time of their meeting that David is God’s choice to be king. Jonathan’s response is not one of suspicion but of spiritual unity. He heard David recount God’s power to slay the giant Goliath. Upon David’s testimony of this battle, Jonathan’s spirit was attached (”knit“) to David’s in alliance, and they felt they were one – spiritual brothers under the heavenly King.

Such selflessness and spiritual friendship is impossible apart from God’s irrevocably changing a heart. Homosexuality is not about the selfless love on display in David and Jonathan, but is at its core a lust concerned with worshiping the form of someone who mirrors yourself in body and form.

David and Jonathan show us that redeemed men don’t need sex to relate to one another. Apart from laying down our prizes and armaments before God’s choice King, not one of us can ever hold fast to what is good, nor love each other with brotherly affection and outdo one another in honor (Rom. 12:9-10). It is the common bond of Jesus Christ that can alone lead men to genuine love.

Read on in 1 Samuel to see the truth behind David and Jonathan and how their relationship played out. They had an honorable, intimate and God-revering friendship centered not on themselves but on the God who keeps covenant with those who love Him and keep His commands.

If homoerotic overtones are to be the new norm applied to male friendships and affection in this young century, we men of God need the godly truth about David and Jonathan to stand in stark contrast against a sexually misguided and increasingly corrupted cultural view of male relationships.

andrew_lc #fundie #homophobia dailymail.co.uk

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Transcript (Instagram screenshot):

liamhemsworth ✅ [following]

liamhemswarth I personally do not believe
that same sex marriage should come dovn
to a vote. I believe it's HUMAN RIGHT to
be able to marry the person you love
regardless oi gender. To all the Australians
that care about equality and human rights
please say YES to same sex marriage, Let's
not be silly about this. Vote YES for same
sex marriage in Australia.

kateinoz @majo.padicas he's an open
minded person Who believes we are all
equal

andrew_lc @jiyongs_gal88 Lust is
not Love. Wish more people would realize
that. And read Jeremiah 17:9.

shanmo13 "i personally believe"
@angelakelly11 😀

Vincent #fundie #homophobia premierchristianradio.com

Strategy, fellow LGBT zealots, Strategy!

Having achieved marriage for ourselves and muddied the waters of God's design with our gender fluidity agenda, the next stage is consolidation.
This means every and any institution, where men and women have competed in partnership, must become a flag bearer for our movement.
And remember to rub their noses in it - by them I mean anyone who disagrees, of course.
But don't forget-the real aim is to distort the image of God in human beings, thus causing hurt to God by sowing confusion and perversion, hurting those who he loves so much, wherever we can.

Incidentally try to ignore those dark feelings and dreams of eternal judgement and fire. They can't be warning of something real, can they?

Mark Jones #fundie #homophobia premier.org.uk

[=Context and Authors Note: This is regarding a social worker Felix Ngole behing fired from a University for posts regarding gay marriage. The following conversation also has other fundie qoutes, is trimmed save for the most stand outish and relevant ones.=]

Martin: Christians cannot trust judges to act in a fair way toward them. We’ve seen a number of judgements like this that demonstrate the bigotry of the judiciary. It is perfectly OK, apparently, for social workers to apply their beliefs as long as they coincide with this judges beliefs.

Perfect Love casts out fear: you don't speak for Christians, Martin, you only speak for conservative evangelicals - a tiny proportion of those who hold the title of Christian. It is you who demonstrates bigotry in this case, not the judge. How could this man ever be a social worker when he holds and proclaims views that gay people are not entitled to equality??

Snoring: No most Christians think same sex sexual relationships are a sin I used to think it wasn't a sin until May. Then Jesu audiably told me it is a sin and marriage is only for one man and one woman. Same sex attracted people need to serve the Lord and be celebrated is also what Jesus told me as per Paul's teachings. Christians trust God not man.

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Sandi Luckins: Because he recognizes that there is something much more important to the homosexual - a relationship with Jesus. And, just because we care to see them in a relationship with Jesus, does not mean that we don't want them working, etc. We just want to see them on their way to Heaven.
2 Peter 2:18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves[h] of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. As far as equality, we are trying to make them equal with us - forgiven.

Perfect Love casts out fear: get over yourself, Sandi. Homosexuals don't have the monopoly on sensual passions of the flesh and heterosexuals don't have the monopoly on forgiveness. We are already all equal in the sight of God.

Mark Jones: OK, so when scripture is brought into play, the best you have is “get over yourself”? Let me ask you one question, can you show me just one verse in the Bible that affirms the LGBT lifestyle? But, the verse you choose cannot contradict scripture elsewhere.

Sandi Luckins: thank you :)

Perfect Love casts out fear: we aren't discussing "lifestyle" here, we are discussing one man's right (or not) to discriminate about another's sexuality whilst claiming to be a fit person to work as a social worker, where his views will almost certainly cause uncomfortable situations in his chosen career. How could he make the necessary compromises to his beliefs if he were to be assigned as a case worker to a gay couple with children, for example? He couldn't and wouldn't. I actually do believe that conservative Christians should have the right to refuse to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding or let their B&B to a gay couple - I have no problem with that - it should be their choice with whom they do business. Social work is a different beast - it is about people, not business - and there is no room for discrimination.

Mark Jones: Actually we are discussing lifestyle here. See Ngole raised that he stands by a Biblical worldview, something that any true Christian should do. And was kicked off his course for the acquiescing to the demands of the minority but popular culture. Having a different opinion is not discrimination, however being removed from a course of a study because of religious beliefs is discrimination, and religion is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act. So it is actually Ngole who has suffered discrimination here. But that reality will be missed because he is a Christian and the subject is the LGBT lifestyle.

Perfect Love casts out fear: it isn't a religious belief - it is a personal belief. I am a Christian and I don't hold the belief that one can criticise another for their born sexuality.

Mark Jones: Actually in terms of the legalities it is a religious belief. And you may believe what you choose to believe, that doesn’t mean it’s Biblical, right, or even true.

Perfect Love casts out Fear: that goes for Martin and Sandi as well as me.

Mark Jones: It does yes, however they are on the right side of God here ... you, are not.

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Joan Martin: And many homosexuals who remain celebate will experience Heaven

Sandi Luckins: No. They will be Christians plagued by the sin of s/s attraction. Christians do not identify themselves as sin. What a slap in the face to Christ. See my next comment to you, please.

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Mark Jones: Sorry, but Ngole actually held to Biblical beliefs. As is Martin here, so if we’re bigoted that means God’s word is bigoted. Is that what your saying “perfect love casts out fear?”

Perfect Love casts out fear: I'm a God believing Christian who does not accept the inerrancy of the Bible. I am guided primarily by the prompting of the Holy Spirit in my life rather than documents written 2000 years ago in a different society and context and translated (often badly) by mere humans. As has been said many times on Disqus, subjects such as slavery, polygamy and male domination are treated as normal and acceptable in the Bible passages but are now considered out of time and context by Christians and non-Christians alike. Yes, God's Word is perfect and unchanging - just be careful, though, that you are listening to that Word and not the "words" of flawed human beings.

Mark Jones: If you don’t accept inerrancy then you’re really not a God believing Christian. Because the Bible which is breathed out by the Holy Spirit (the one you claim guides you) states such, quite clearly. But to clarify polygamy is never condoned in scripture, it is recorded ... because the Bible records history. I listen to God, not people, this clearly is not the case for you in reality.

Perfect Love casts out Fear: polygamy isn't condemned in scriptrure - not anywhere. Hence,by definition, it is condoned. I accept God's inerrancy but not men's and definitely not yours.

Mark Jones: Actually we’re told in scripture that marriage is to between one man and one woman, therefor polygamy is not condoned as it does meet the terms God lays out for marriage in scripture. And just to correct you, you don’t accept God's inerrancy, because God’s inerrancy is His word. So if you don’t trust the Bible you don’t trust God. Therefore you are not a true believer.

JudyinCanada #fundie #homophobia freerepublic.com

Our free speech is eroding. I know we have pastors who have had problems for speaking out against homosexuality. We also have had our free speech clamped down on if we say anything that promotes hatred toward islam.

Naturally, it was a muslim who brought this bill into law and nobody dared say anything. Our dreamy man/child Prime Minister loves the muslims. He also loves the homosexuals, so I don’t know how that lines up, but, whatever. I guess he just never has a photo-op with both groups at the same time.

bishop Vlado Košić #fundie #conspiracy #homophobia #transphobia sibenskiportal.rtl.hr

{original article is in Croatian, translation and additional notes are by Vman. You can see the video of the speech (also in Croatian) in the middle section of the article}

September 29, 2017

Vlado Košić, the (Catholic) bishop of Sisak, led a holiday mass honoring St. Michael, the protector of the Croatian city of Šibenik. He also spoke about secular topics like the media, the Homeland War (1991-95) and the Istanbul Convention. (link was not in original text, it's given here for explanation's sake)

"These days Satan has camouflaged himself within the most influential media, which are more against Croatia than for Croatia. Indeed, look at how many untruths and half-truths they constantly frame people for, and how they accuse their brothers of having committed fictitious crimes, while the other people have almost no space in our media," said Košić.

The bishop of Sisak asked himself how to win and overcome evil in such circumstances. He claims that truth will win, and victory is God's and of his people.

"St. Michael is like a heavenly military commander who defends this nation from the Devil. It may seem as if these days we don't need him so much anymore. However, we could argue that today his protection is more necessary than ever, because modern man is increasingly losing his direction," Košić noted.

[...]

"The Istanbul Convention misleads us all because it brings gender ideology. We must decisively say 'no' to this swindle. It gives a distorted image of man and seduces the youth in order to create a new order and a society without God and moral values. The Devil wants to destroy the family because through that he aims to destroy man," said Košić.

Is it not the most normal thing that Croatia, with the greatest number of Catholics, isn't [sic] being compared to Poland, asked the bishop.

"Croatia is trying to be among the countries which dechristianized themselves, allowed same-sex unions, allowed abortion and euthanasia, legalized drugs and accepted a large number of non-Christian immigrants who are mostly unintegrated and violent towards the native people and our Christian culture. What do we want to follow, which examples? We are called upon to join in so we could take part in God's victory," bishop Košić concluded.

Rudy Schellekens #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

[=Comment on "Would You Rather Have a Gay Child or a Dead Child ?"=]

"...parents asking their kids to change something inherent, something that son or daughter can’t change...." But that is the problematic issue, isn't it? the jury IS still out on whether it is a "born with..." issue. And yes, you can jump all over me, but an objective look at the studies cannot come to any other conclusion.

So, that being out of the way, the really important thing is how a deals with a child that is different. And by different I mean in any possible way. My child will always, no matter what the circumstances, be my child, and therefore loved by me. Even should my child turn out to be a a Bundy or a Dahmer. I will love.
But loving does not mean that I will support ar approve every kind of behavior. And that is where problems arise.

I believe the Bible clearly teaches that homosexual behavior is sin. I do not believe that homosexual behavior is acceptable to God when "two people really love each other..." We do not make that exception in any other relationship (Well, it's okay for a 25 yr old to have a sexual relation with a 13 year old. After all, they love each other). Or polygamous relationships. We do not accept the same excuse!

Unfortunately, homosexual behavior is in the spotlight (currently). The law in the US does not allow polygamous marriages, no matter how much the woman loves her three husbands. Biblically, we have the same condemnation. Whether we like it or not, we cannot invent reasons why God should (and would) allow relationships He has forbidden. Not once, not twice...

From a personal point of view, I do not have the right to change what God has written to fit my desires. And from a personal point of view, I would love my child - but will not accept or condone behavior which is not Biblical, be that sexual or any other kind of behavior. That is part of the price of our convictions. We may not be liked and may even be ridiculed or called names or lambasted on a public forum. But that, too, is part of the price of my convictions.

A1 #homophobia answers.yahoo.com

Is Homosexuality a social issue a mental issue or a spiritual issue?perhaps all three..?

Update: BTW I am out of question space...will there be a witch hunt for homosexual deniers just as there is for e holocaust deniers..

lilnas313 #fundie #homophobia reddit.com

'Although I was born in America I identify myself still as being from Yemen when I'm asked. Identifying ourself with the lands of kuffar makes us forget who we are and it desensitizes us to their crimes and makes us accept their culture of kufr thinking it's ok. A little harsh but that's the truth.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/2vibzy/three_killed_said_to_be_muslims_in_chapel_hill/coiaiw0/?context=3)

'in any hood I lived in wether it be Detroit, Harlem, Bronx, Brooklyn if you get hit up but don't aim back you a bitch you not a real nigga cause you got slipping' (https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/33wy4q/lil_waynes_tour_bus_shot_up_after_show_in_atlanta/cqqs4uu/?context=3)

'I was 80 east side skyline piru (one of the original sets that made up the bloods)

I joined up when I was 13

Got jumped in by 5 YG's for 30 seconds then given my flag

I did the usual gang banged, jumped people, robbed people, shot people, fucked hoes, sold dope.

Became somewhat known because I was middle eastern and not black so people took notice. At first it was cool but then I noticed I caught the wrong peoples attention for the wrong reasons.

I was active up until I was 21 almost at Y.O.G status.

I stopped because I moved every few years and everywhere I went I noticed bloods and crips and every city had different "knowledge" (gang history you're taught prior to initiation)

For instance on the west coast it's more of a block thing everyone knows the big homies so if you claim you're part of a set and people approach that sets big homie and he don't know you, that's your ass. On the east coast it's UBN (United blood nation) and its ran like the mob rather then OGs YOG YG and BG they have bosses and capos. UBN knowledge starts with how the millers made a NYC connection and the nine trey set was started in the 90s completely different from what I was told. When I went to the south I seen that the crips had gangster disciple knowledge and bloods had vice lord knowledge and most of they're sets were non-existent in the west coast.

The gang shit is hella flimsy. I left that life alone and I have a family now and own my own businesses. But sometimes these these young bitch made motherfuckers step up and I have to let them know who the fuck they're talking to.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3qoyte/serious_former_gang_members_of_reddit_what_was_it/cwhip2y/?context=3)

'Shooting someone doesn't make you hard or respected. All it does is it makes people cautious of you. Because of me being an angry edgy teenager I got into fights and committed violent crimes (even though I came from an educated well off family). People started to distance themselves from me include a lot of gang members who weren't as active and seen me as a destructive person, so I just kicked it with other G's who had the same classification. It bothered me not being invited to party's anymore, girls being afraid to talk to me. The old ladies in the neighborhood would avoid eye contact with me. There's no glory in being a killer, you don't do it cause you want to you do it for the set cause you have to.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3qoyte/serious_former_gang_members_of_reddit_what_was_it/cwhrumo/?context=3)

(In response to the claim that it is a myth that all gay men want to have sex with all men) 'I get my fair share of attention from the ladies, but the amount of gay men and trannies that check me out on dating apps is ridiculous so this isn't really a myth.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/42asa3/which_persistent_misconceptionmyth_annoys_you_the/cz96zrz/?context=3)

'O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks,drugs,stimulants that alter the mind), gambling, Al-Ansab , and Al-Azlam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaitan's (Satan) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful. (5:90)' (https://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/3vavvm/got_high_and_tried_to_convert_myself_to_islam_and/cxmq7oq/?context=3)

'I mean I'm pretty strict when it comes to my religion and at times have been called fanatical however islamically women are equal to men if not have a higher place in society due to them having more rights than men according to sharia law. On the topic of homosexuals they aren't lesser human beings because In Islam homosexuality is seen as a mental illness. You can not punish one for having homosexual thoughts however there is punishment carried on someone who commits homosexual acts, such as punishment for someone who has pre marital sex, adultery or rape.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4l1jkj/switzerland_muslim_students_must_shake_teachers/d3kot5g/)

(In response to the claim 'The fact that Palestine still exists should show that Israel isn't the warmongering oppressors that the media paints them to be') 'Jews still exist guess the nazis aren't the warmongering nation the world made them out to be.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4n6nrr/shootings_reported_at_food_and_retail_center_in/d41v952/?context=3)

'Let me dumb it down for you ,culturally homosexuality has never been accepted, neither has it been accepted in Islam. So I as an individual don't accept it now nor will I ever. You on the other hand can go have as much fun as you want.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/4nykwl/saudi_arabia_condemns_orlando_shooting/d48az9i/?context=3)

'Yemeni here, Islam is the only thing that unifies us and keeps us in line. Now that islam isnt the implemented law of the land we've gone back to solving simple disputes with murder. I've seen it to many times, customer mad about price of tomatoes or any other produce, argument ensues, Ak47s are pulled (it's customary to walk around with an assault rifle hanging off your shoulder) then someone dies. The army is to busy now to do anything so usually the tribes of the two familys clash leaving more dead.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/4qa1b8/til_that_abdullah_i_of_jordan_secretly_agreed/d4rszf4/?context=3)

(In response to the question of why God created evil) 'As a test to mankind. All life is, is a test. This life isn't forever. What comes next is eternal.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4r4s35/youre_standing_in_front_of_god_he_says_you_can/d4ymm0l/?context=3)

'Fuck attaturk bring back the empire and caliphate. Attaturks values are less than 100 years old, the caliphate values stood in place for hundreds of years.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4t18sh/coup_d%C3%A9tat_attempt_in_turkey_livethread/d5dybuj/)

(In response to a woman talking about how she got her date jailed for drug dealing and possession) 'That's fucked up. You ruin a mans life cause he left you at a restaurant? If that was me you would've had someone in your living room the next night.' (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/526dll/what_is_the_worst_date_that_you_have_been_on/d7i1nuq/?context=3)

proud American in Canada #homophobia #transphobia #conspiracy freerepublic.com

I have to log off now, but I had to address this. I minored in psychology in college, and in the ’80s, even being gay, let alone transgendered, was considered a mental illness, according to the DSM.

Thanks to propaganda from the media and Hollywood, things have certainly changed.

Oh, btw...a couple of years ago, I was visiting my dying father in Chicago and staying at a hotel. I went to the front desk to ask for something, and this man came up, wearing a pink dress, pink earrings and pink heels. He had a beard and gray hair.

Everyone there tried to pretend that it wasn’t the weirdest thing they had ever seen. LOL!

Lady Checkmate #fundie #wingnut #homophobia disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Alt-Left Angry: 'Hazards of Homosexuality' Flier Distributed at Values Voter Summit"

Thank God for Trump and Dr. Church. May God keep and bless them.

(NBC News story follows)

A flier distributed at the Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C., on Friday that promoted a book titled "The Health Hazards of Homosexuality" prompted outcry when photos surfaced on social media.

The flier was given out to attendees at the gathering where President Donald Trump spoke in complimentary tote bags that also included a sticker saying, "I don't believe the liberal media."

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MassResistance, a group based Massachusetts that identifies itself as "a pro-family activist organization that educates people to help them confront the attacks on the traditional family" on its website, created the fliers to promote the book by its founder, Bryan Camenker.

A request for comment from MassResistance was not immediately returned. The Southern Poverty Law Center has designated MassResistance a hate group since 2008.

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According to its preface, the book "aims to alert the public — especially young people and their parents — on the serious physical and physiological health dangers inherent in adopting a 'gay,' lesbian or bisexual (GLB) identity."

The book says the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on Obergefell v. Hodges, the case that resulted in the legalization of same-sex marriage nationwide, made "sodomy a right and a legitimate basis for marriage."

It also claims homosexuality is a mental disorder and the truth is being suppressed by "the homosexual lobby and their allies," including the "radicalized" entertainment industry, press and educational establishments.

The book touts an official endorsement from a Dr. Paul Church, where he is listed as "Urologist, Asst. Clinical Professor of Surgery (part-time), Harvard Medical School Boston, Massachusetts, October 2016." A spokesperson for Harvard Medical School told NBC News that Church has not been affiliated with the school since December 2015.

Church was fired in January 2016 from his position as a urologist at Beth Israel Deaconess, one of Harvard’s affiliated hospitals, for sending anti-gay emails to staff (i.e. it seems true medical science is rejected when it doesn't fit the alt-left's narrative...hypocrites).

Trump received a standing ovation at the Value Voters summit, which was organized by the Family Research Council (FRC), when he said in his remarks Friday that Americans "don't worship government, we worship God."

He became the first sitting president to address the annual gathering of evangelical conservatives, a powerful bloc that helped propel him to the White House in November.

According to its website, the FRC "does not consider homosexuality, bi-sexuality, and transgenderism as acceptable alternative lifestyles or sexual 'preferences'; they are unhealthy and destructive to individual persons, families, and society."

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

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