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TIF classification project - open to feedback

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While we classify TIMs as AGP and HSTS, I've noticed that there is a lack of consistent TIF typology. So, I went ahead and made one.

My sources: almost a year of undercover activity on trans forums (3 different characters, 2 TIFs, 1 TIM), 5 real life run-ins with TIFs (all types), a talk with a female victim of a predatory one, a predatory TIF in my extended family.

Warning: upsetting issues ahead - rape, fetishism, violence, mental illness

Self-hating

Motivated by societal distress caused by being female. Lesbians, tomboys and/or rape victims. The most known and arguably common type. Most of detransitioners come from this group.

Sexuality: Either homosexual (“straight” for them) or so obliterated by trauma so as to be completely non-existent (“asexual”). If not asexual, then either masochists/submissive, or “vanilla” (not perverted).

ID: Most are “men”, but there is a significant minority of those who ID as sexless (agender, nonbinary, neutrois etc.). They don’t really want to become men, as much as they want to stop being women.

Detransition rate: Very high. Feminism empowers non-conformists, lesbians, and victims, and so serves as a safe place for them to go. Furthermore, the general society views “I just wanted to be accepted” as an acceptable feminine motivation. The one exception are those who are 10+ years into it, didn’t get any nasty side effects from procedures, and have a partner and a job. They’ll stick with the devil they know.

Common mental disorders: Anorexia, dysmorphia, anxiety, depression, autism.

Interests: Vary a lot. Plenty of quiet, bookish types. Often some sort of stereotypically masculine sport. Not that many of them are otherkin or furries, but plenty are therians. They often shun stereotypically feminine hobbies they genuinely enjoy and push themselves into things men in their lives do.

Transition: Baggy clothes, short haircuts, binding breasts. Normal male or unisex names. Hormones. Mastectomy and hysterectomy are common, but phallus is usually not constructed. They mumble something about “not good enough yet”, but it’s actually because they want to desex themselves and find penises disgusting.

“Goals”: Either a normal, respectable dude, or a sexless being.

How to approach: Gentle conversation is the best. Affirm that loving women is okay, that any “masculine” interest is cool, that she didn’t deserve her assault/trauma – without calling her a woman outright. She has a lot of baggage attached to that word. Slowly build a friendly relationship, gently bring up side effects of hormones and surgeries. Once you see doubt, direct her towards detransitioners.

Kweer

Motivated by desire to be special and shallow aesthetics of the gender-special movement. Often there is a mild autoandrophilic element (caused by too much yaoi).

Sexuality: Straight (or “uwu gay boys”). Some of them identify as bisexual, but it’s hard to determine if it’s genuine bisexuality or attraction to manly men and she/her “femboys”. Fetish-wise, into a lot of weird stuff. Furries, tentacles, latex, transformation, this sort of thing, often as a switch (both the doer and the target of the act). Sometimes come across as pedophilic, due to inappropriate conduct around children, sharing NSFW information with them etc. This, however, usually comes from the “sex positive” ideology, rather than genuine pedophilia (this is more of a “predatory” thing).

ID: Actually, a minority of them are “men” (I’d say 20-30%). A lot of them call themselves half man, half woman (bigender, genderqueer etc.) or “genderfluid”.

Detransition rate: Complicated. Young and “out” only on tumblr? Will go away. 25+ and a head of a LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ organisation? Not likely to back down. With every IRL thing done in the trans direction (coming out, hormones, surgeries, legal stuff, joining organisations), the chance of detransition drops significantly.

Common mental disorders: Narcissism, borderline, schizotypal, maladaptive daydreaming, sometimes a mild form of psychosis.

Interests: Cartoons, especially anime, drawing, making jewellery (with various obscure flags, to sell on Etsy). Lots of them are otherkin – the more special, the better (fairies, dragons, deities etc.), furries are also well-represented among them. Some of them are self-proclaimed witches or “spiritual” types. Overall they have a very poor relationship with reality.

Transition: Loads of flag patches, colourful hair, either binding without packing or packing without binding (uwu androgyny). Batshit insane names, often neopronouns. Further transition varies, from all the way to “my body is a boy’s body because it belongs to a boy!” Often get tattoos and piercings.

“Goals”: Feminine bottom gay boy, handsome-but-still-pretty top yaoi boy with a hairless body of a Greek god, or a sparkling hermaphroditic alien who is adored by everyone.

How to approach: Don’t feed her delusions. Don’t give her undue attention. Allow her to talk about her gender fluctuations and kin memories, and just go “mhm”. No “omg, you’re so valid”, but no “you’re fucking crazy”. Include her in women-only spaces and events, keep her away from queer spaces/websites. Practical activities, like horse riding or camping are great ideas. The younger she is, the easier for her it will be to shake it off.

Predatory

A complicated, mostly invisible type. Born with psychopathic traits, which causes them to not socialise as female fully (as they lack empathy, enjoy hurting others etc.) and therefore relate to male culture strongly.

Sexuality: Orientation wise, all over the scale, mostly in the middle. Usually call themselves bisexual or “pansexual”, very often “aromantic” (incapable of feeling love). Sadist/dominant, with fetishes like rape, impregnation (with them in the male role), mutilation, cannibalism etc. Often pedos or into bestiality. Two huge elements in this type’s sexuality are what I’d call autohybristophilia – attraction to the image of oneself as a male killer/rapist – and corruption fetish – the fantasy of destroying someone, body and mind, and “remaking” them - they enjoy the thrill of exposing children to fetishes or “cracking eggs”.

ID: Almost all “men”.

Detransition rate: Zero, or at least very low. I've never met one that had any regret or doubt, and I've never met a detransitioner who used to be this type. They seem to more self-assured that the other types, have less interest in fitting in, women usually find their company repulsive or dangerous, mainstream society doesn't find "it got me off" a feminine motivation...

Common mental disorders: Psychopathy, various paraphilias.

Interests: There is always some strong interest in the grotesque/macabre, horror, gore etc. They like people getting hurt, and watch horror films or even real-life gore like most dudes watch porn. Some are otherkin (usually something vague like “monsterkin”, in stark contrast to kweer ones, who have entire characters), but they are less active in the community. Other interests vary wildly, they usually don’t obsessively hide “girly” interests like self-hating ones do.

Transition: Normal male fashion, packing (stuffing underwear) with or without binding. Names might be normal or batshit insane, they are usually less anal about pronouns, whatever they use. Go all the way – hormones, all surgeries etc. Very common of them to take up weightlifting and get tattoos. A lot of them use special huge strapons that transfer sensation or even ejaculate (anatomic autoandrophilia) instead of or before surgery.

“Goals”: The potential to hurt outweights aesthetics. Typically the “ideal body” has huge muscles and a big penis, but it might be very ugly or even nonhuman. Worth mentioning, this is not the same as a revenge fantasy some women (including self-hating TIFs) indulge in. That is “I don’t have power, but if I could hurt the people who hurt me, I’d have power at least over that situation”, this is “I like hurting people, and if I had power, I’d hurt them even more/without consequences”.

How to approach: sigh Tell me if you know. I'd argue it's better not to aproach them - you'll get laughed at at best, pulled into a weird mind game at worst. Stay away from them in real life. Out of 3 I met face to face, two were sex offenders and one beat me up. If one is your child - if she's really young, you might teach her empathy and emotional regulation, otherwise you're probably out of luck.

Notes:

It's possible for one to be two or all types at once. It's possible for one to pretend to be the other for various reasons. It's possible for a non-trans woman to have some traits of one or more type (if she's at risk of transition and/or a TRA ally).

There are two additional factors, both for TIMs and TIFs, - DSD/intersex conditions (which can cause weird socialisation) and actual delusions ("I'm a man on an astral plane" or "I have ovaries, but my doctor can't find them").

Hey, cynical lurkers - none of those are "true trans".

I'm open to constructive criticism.

I can talk about my experiences if you're curious.

Across the world, there are various laws regulating the age at which a female can legally make the decision to have sex. The age is entirely arbitrary, and ranges from as low as 12 to as high as 19, depending on the location. Generally in the developed world, 16 is the accepted norm.

The fact that it fluctuates so much between locations goes to prove that it is without any biological basis. It is visibly evident that there is no biological difference between a girl of 15 years and 11 months and a girl of 16 years.

Making the situation even more ridiculous is the fact that a girl is indeed legally allowed to have sex with boys her own age or younger before she reaches the magic number. Thus it is that she is considered to be entirely capable of issuing consent to a man, it is simply that she is not capable of issuing consent to an older man.

The final layer of absurdity is that it is not the girl who is punished for engaging in the illicit act, but the man whom she has targeted to loose her wiles upon. What this creates is a situation where a girl can target a man for seduction, lie about her age, and get him locked up. Furthermore, governments can potentially entrap a man with a fully developed girl of 15 years and eleven months, sending her to seduce him and then arresting him on crimes against consent.

What exactly is this “consent,” which is so capable of being twisted into various shapes in order to criminalize men?

The legal definition of the term is this:

Voluntary Acquiescence to the proposal of another; the act or result of reaching an accord; a concurrence of minds; actual willingness that an act or an infringement of an interest shall occur.

So, in theory, a woman is incapable of acquiescing to a proposal of sex from a man – but only an older man – until she reaches the mature age of 16 (or whatever the age might be in your region).

The frightening thing is that the concept of “age of consent” assumes that there is ever any age at which a woman is capable of making informed and responsible decisions about something as serious as sexual activity.

However, in America, most adult women are fat. This means that as adults, they are incapable of making proper decisions about what they eat. But somehow we have reached the conclusion that they are capable of making decisions about their reproductive behaviors? This is absurd on the face of it.

As such, it is my view that the concept of consent must be abolished entirely, and women must be disallowed by law from engaging in sexual activity without the permission of a male relative or, if no male relative exists, the state.

The fact that we have the concept of an age of consent in our society means that it is acknowledged by society that there is a state in which a biologically fully developed female is incapable of deciding who she has sex with. And I am not aware of a single “my body, my choice” feminist who takes issue with this.

In other words, from the most staunch conservative to the most radical leftist, we all agree that a woman under the age of 16 is utterly infantile to the point of needing her biological functions restricted by men with guns. I do not see evidence that a woman ever exits this infantile state. In fact, it would appear that women become less capable of managing their lives as they age. A high school girl is generally much better behaved than a college girl, and a female who has graduated college is radically irresponsible. Women are so completely infantile that they will forego their childbearing potential by spending all of their most fertile years drinking, doing drugs and having “consensual” sex with a parade of different men. When the woman reaches thirty, and her looks have faded and she is alone, she will enter a state of confusion and begin blaming others for her unfortunate predicament. Women in their forties and fifties will then get divorces and utterly destroy the lives of every member of their families in order to pursue some type of vague “personal happiness” agenda. Women in their fifties and sixties begin engaging in bizarre and anti-social political activism which serves the sole purpose of harming society at large. It is not until her biology slows down her ability to move freely that a woman ever becomes less dangerous and destructive, less of an existential threat to society at large, less of a public nuisance, than she was at the age of 16.

With so-called “consent,” we have created a system where the completely unregulated sexual desires of women completely control all aspects of society. Women are able to give or deny consent on an industrial scale, and use this mechanism to completely control the behavior of men. They use this power granted them by the state to transform society into something which they apparently believe benefits them, but which does not bring a single objectively good thing to the people. Every outcome we have seen from giving women consent has been negative. We have only barren wombs, incels and broken families to show for embracing the imbecilic concept that a woman is capable of making responsible and informed sexual decisions.

Society does not benefit from women of any age being given sexual consent rights. Men do not benefit from it. Not even the women themselves benefit from it. Nothing good has come from giving women consent rights. The application of Consent Theory was a weird experiment and it failed, and it is time for the state to revoke these rights.

All female “rights” are given to them by men, as is clear by the simple fact that women are not capable of surviving without men, nor are they capable of physically overpowering men. Consent was a privilege given to women by men and it can and must be taken away just as easily. Applied Consent Theory is totally unsustainable due to the anti-natal results, and will eventually lead to a birthrate of zero. We cannot afford to continue to play this ridiculous game.

We need to replace the consent system with a system of strict regulation where the concept of consent is no longer considered. We can call this “no consent at any age.”

Furthermore, it is the woman who chooses to have sex, not the man. A man, particularly a young man, is virtually incapable of resisting sexual urges if a woman throws herself at him. So, it is the woman who should be punished for violating “no consent at any age” laws. Women who violate these rules and engage in unregulated sex need to be punished severely with lashings. A woman who repeatedly breaks consent laws and consents to unregulated sex must be branded on her hand or face with a permanent mark so that all of society can see her disgusting and anti-social crimes.

This is the only way we are going to successfully create a functional society where all stability is not solely dependent on the unbridled sexual desires of infantile women.