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justinjrussell #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

If you were to create a game/competition.
It is you who has sole right to make the rules, being the creator of the game.
You could stipulate that the contestants could make the rules up as they whent, rules that might help the free flow of the game or cause the game to come to a halt , but then you have already made a rule(there is no rules).
You could create rules, then the contestants being free willed could breake the rules because it suited them, you as the games creator at this point could
A:disqualify all cheating contestants,
B:turn a blind eye to the cheating
C: create a new rule that over writes the first rules
So the game will work as long as your rules are followed and every thing here would be well within your rite as the creator because it is your game.
This system works with games created by a collective group as long as the governing body is in agreement with each other, but when one dissagrees with the rules and has their own ideas the a slightly different game is invented

Atheism is different to this.
Atheism says there is no ultimate governing body over this game we call life, we are all playing our own "game" making up our own rules as we go along. If this were the case we would have no right to critisize or dictate the rules to another, for their "game" is there own created by them selfs. If someone violates the rules of your game, that is they are living by their own rules, in the eyes of the atheist it cannot be immoral.
Most atheists though cannot live like this, because they cannot live without at least some of there own rules being followed. and like wise society cannot exist if there werent rules handed down from a higher authority, namely God
For it is only the creator who has the exclusive right to impose rules. It would be immoral for a man or a society to impose rules on a nother man unless they were handed down from the creator of this world.

fred1 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

No fault divorce has been a disaster. If a couple wants to divorce, blame should be assigned to one or both parties for departing their Biblical role as husband and/or wife, and sanction applied to the guilty party. If wrongdoing cannot be done, no divorce should be allowed. No more divorce because "we made a mistake and were young" or "we've fallen out of love."

Born Wisdom Allah #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Atheist? Where do your rights come from?

God is the head of this nation and I think this is tough for some atheist and secularist to grasp.

We get our God given rights from our Creator and the government is set up as a secondary appendage to protect those God given rights but the government gets it's power from the people and not the other way around.

I think this is why you see this split.

Many liberals, atheist and secularist don't believe in God so are rights come from the state. This means the government is almighty and they push for a nanny state.

Most Conservatives have a belief in God and they want less government and more individual control because they believe our individual rights come from our Creator and government is there to protect our rights.

The question is if your rights do not come from a Creator then where do your rights as an individual come from?

If there's no God, then you have no rights except those that other men want to give you.

coadie #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Darwinism is idolatry and sorcery. Some sxzeem to think dabbling in it in moderation is OK.

When we see the evil and vile men involved in the evolution movement, Good Christians stay away from it.

the counsel of 1Blessed is the man that walketh not in the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

In Yeshua's name #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

1)Logic exist

2)Logic is absolute

3)Logic can't exist without a mind. (hence they are conceptual)

4) Logic transcends space and time.

Since logic is absolute, trascends space and time, and can't exist without a mind, therefore there must be an absolute, mind that exist and transcends space and time.

Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

God repeatedly told the Jews to listen to Him. They didn't. So he punished them. They still didn't listen. So then he said He would punish their children and they still didn't listen. So anyone who risks the lives of his children to ignore God isn't showing any love to his children by doing so. You would be wise to heed that as well because God won't allow people to desecrate His laws and His creation without consequences. Sorry.<winking smiley.>

Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

"Sorry but scientists have just shown that mice DNA is more similar to humans than human DNA. So would evolutionists then declare that humans came from mice? Probably. That's because most people can't think for themselves and are confused about reality. That's why they believe anything scientists say."

ChrisfromTN #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Lots of Christians will try to come up with convoluted explanations for why something God did was moral. Sadly, the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to do this.

Few people have what I believe to be a proper view of God: one that simply says 'God did it, therefore it is good'.

B.H.Streeter #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

how do you know your mother loves you?

What's the point of keeping the therad on "How do we know God is not satan" and watching it grow to amaznig proportions?

The question is elementry. The whole point of being a beilever is to know God. you have relationship with God you know he's love and that he's good, how? Read the title again.

Its' as simple as that. We know God is God and that he's good because we know him.

Supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

earth to Mark....science very rarely admits its wrong....about anything. Scientists don't like showing up their comrads.....it's a little game they play: "I won't step on your toes if you don't step on mine." And your little challenge, the way it is worded, is virtually impossible to beat because the way science generally dates rocks is by the fossils they find in them. Therefore, there is almost no way to prove circular reasoning because re-dating a fossil has nothing to do with the dating of the rock -- it's all about assumptions made on the date of the fossil. I'm sure fossils are redated all the time -- but it's not because the rock changed or that they misdated the rock because of the rock it was in ------ they just simply re-date the fossil whenever they want, plain and simple.

Slim1951 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[Was Jesus ever married? Did he have Sex?]

I believe this question is frivolous and without merit. It feels as if it is asked in a whimsical way.Jesus was not carnal. Sex is the ultimate carnality. Although he never states (like Nixon said "your president is not a crook" or Bill Clinton) that he never had sex with that woman, Mary Magdalene, everything we know about him says he was a pure as the wind driven snow. You can believe that he was lustful and acted on it, but I don't. If you preach that stuff you risk getting Jesus really annoyed with you. So...if I were you I would be careful regarding Jesus's so called sexuality.

Timotheus #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

If athiesm is true you may worship nothing but if christianity is true you are a creature worshipper. Your response "I don't worship anything" actually proves that you are not in line with what the Creator says about you. Which means you are definitely not honouring God in your statement, "I don't worship anything". We all do according to christianity. There is no in between there are either Creator worshippers or creature worshippers so if Christianity is the gospel truth then your statement that "I don't worship anything" would be an evidence to a christian that you in fact are a creature worshipper. Now to an athiest it is evidence that he/she is in line with athiesm for athiesm doesn't at all take Romans 1 into account or that he/she is a creature and should do all things to His glory of his/her Creator whether that be eating or drinking. That is fine. But to just say "I don't worship anything" and some how we christians are going to abandon the thus saith the LORD in Romans 1 on your say so. I just don't think we are prepared to take your say so into account at this point. We are Creator worshippers by His grace in Christ not athiest worshippers!!!!

coadie #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Science is powerful in supporting out presuppositions. When Colubus sailed to the Americas claiming the world was not flat, the two boats that sailed over the edge never had the opportunity to write about their flat earth theory and prove it was flat. Only the three that made it lived.

YeshuMarine #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

For a long time, Evolutionists have made up plenty of just-so stories, but I"m not really all that convinced that they are really doing any field research or laboratory work of their own. My thoughts are that they've been copying off of the Young Earth Creation Science works and claiming it as their own. I'm just asking for one piece of legitimate work from an Evolutionist that hasn't been stolen.

Dylan #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

ok, fact based on something right? says alot does it?
Darwin couldnt explain the human eye Brother! Darwins Theory is Racist, did you know that? Common descent from where? How, i prefer the Genesis 11 explanation. So with missing Links apparently, evolution is now true and has been tested and verified?

Not really, look at the meaning of those words, i used many words to show you, you dismiss the meaning, it does say alot quiet frankly.

Science has made tremendous marks over time, funny they established those other findings and this one they call a theory!

Please explain the human eye to me. Were we blind at one stage, or are you going to say that the eye was the first thing that evolved and everything else followed?

Uberbeliever #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[This ENTIRE thread is an overload of stupid!]

What is evolution? It's a religious cult. The same religion that fueled the Panet of the Apes type fantasy. Evos are hopeful that this "scientific" process will eventually take place, making chimps grow smarter to eventually use as servants.

The biggest problem I have with their religion is that this process would take a very, very long time to take place. Probably millions. Life would have no time for this, as existence has been here for roughly 6,000 years (give or take a few). It simply could not have happened.

PraiseChrist #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Christian Holidays - Why do atheists keep them?

I've never seen an atheist who's hesitated to give his kids Christmas presents or send them on easter egg hunts. They remind me of spoiled kids who will eat dessert, but not dinner.

("Funny, why do you send your kids on a pagan (my Bible doesn't mention the easter bunny) easter egg hunt?")

I don't. Please do not speak lies about me.

I would never allow my children to participate in anything involving the pagan atheistic aspects that satan has brought into the Easter holiday. I and they celebrate only Jesus' resurection and the forgiveness of our sins.

Nancy #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Most abortions are from 9 to 12 weeks and according to recent studies from fetogolgiststhey do feel pain. Regardless, they are killing an innocent human being. Does that mean nothing do you? Aren't you glad weren't rip apart in the womb and thown away like disposable garbage.

Nikito #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

i have one question. How is one to compete or try to reach out to people in all places especially school when all they feed us is huxley's " Brave New World" or Oscar Wilde's " Picture of Dorian Grey" . how is one to show the irrationality of those books and the message they potrary, to pinpoint the flaws and errors in thier secular philosophies? When the bible is not even mentioned or even thought of. We must have to battle intellectually just for the very existance of god! my point is thinking critically, or LOGICALLY in away that makes sense and point toward the CROSS

coadie #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Atheist immorality.

An atheist can't speak to sexual sins. That is not a natturailst concept. Swaggart had snipers threats, bomb threats and all manner of satanic attack. It was sexual sin that made his fall. Atheism says sex is for the most powerful males of a species.

Swaggart has repented of his sin. Have you????

Scarlets79 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Worship is normal

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Billions in human history have believed in God or gods, supernatural powers, or have worshipped something or other.

Funny, that. Why would so many people do those things. We don't see animals do those things. Why would so many people do those things if there wasn't anything in it.

[This includes people who understand and are working in science and other intellectual pursuits so lack of intellect or understanding of science is not an explanation.]
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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

None of the beliefs of atheists can be verified anywhere in history. Nowhere. So why do they have beliefs that can't be verified? Where is their evidence that Jesus isn't the Son of God? The answer is that they don't have any. None. zero. Zip. So how do they think they have a case? They don't because the facts are on our side, not theirs.

Yet they are the first ones to clamor for evidence from others. There is no book, no document, no witnesses, nothing that says that anything else happened in Jerusalem during the time of Christ than what the bible claims. Nothing. All they need is even one person who lived in Jerusalem during the time of Christ who says that Jesus never performed any miracles and that would be evidence. But they don't even have that.

So until atheists understand that it's futile to try to change history, they're fighting a losing battle. And for what? Just to risk eternal torment. They only prove Jesus right when he said; "They hated me for no reason." There's no reason to try to change history when you have no proof that it happened any differently unless one simply wants to defame someone else. Absolutely none.

supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

...but if these dinos are only a few thousand years old, then any and all other so-called "old" creatures must not be old at all. This means any and all radiometric dating must be flawed and the whole old-earth paradigm slides down the pipes of the intellectual toilet where it belongs with all the other excrement.

George Yurich #fundie #homophobia christiandiscussionforums.org

Homosexuality is totally illogical and totally evil because God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. And the New Testament clearly states that homosexuals shall not inherit the Kingdom Of God. And thus logical and analytical thinking dictates that if homosexuals are not gaining entrance into Heaven then logically homosexual activity should be totally outlawed.

supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

"why do evolutionists dig up animals' bones out of the ground and want so badly to call them "transitionals?" There are tons of different animals that exist on earth today.....take dogs, for example.....with evolutionists' mentality, they could dig up chihuahua bones and then dig up Great Dane bones and then say: "Oh, look...see there....it's evolution in action." In reality, it's just two different animals that existed at more or less the same time."

Supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

my wife's wisdom teeth
...or lack of them.


My wife stands at 5'1 and, like most small/short people, has small features. Luckily for her she has no wisdom teeth...(probably because her head is small and has no room for them.) When she was 12, her dentist took xrays and informed her that she'd never have problems with wisdom teeth because she didn't have any to break through.

This is interesting to me, because both of her parents had their wisdom teeth taken out years ago.

Now if you're to listen and believe in ToE, you would believe that certain organisms just happen to be born with certain traits, and, if the said traits were beneficial (aka helped them breed more successfully) this is how the population evolves. And the thing is, "fit" parents are supposed to be passing on their "fit" traits to their offspring. If inheritance was not true and parents did not necessarily pass down specific traits according to whatever lucky genes they happened to possess, then ToE is thrown for a huge loop, as the offsprings' traits would be more of a biological crapshoot as opposed to a representation of their parents.

But my wife's parents both have wisdom teeth. So how and why did she end up with no wisdom teeth?

Also, everyone's heard the imaginary scenario that evos dreamed up about cheetahs, whereby faster cheetahs are more likely to breed, thereby supposedly having faster offspring...(which is how cheetahs came to be fast)..... But how does ToE -- or the laws of genetics -- stand if both parents have a physical trait, (such as speed or wisdom teeth), yet their offspring ends up not having it???

Coadie,Richard Lamb and Christdependent #homophobia christiandiscussionforums.org

Coadie : The European union wants to make homophobia illegal. That has to bring in the thought police.

How can they measure someones thoughts or fears about something they oppose? What if they strongly oppose homosexuality and have zero fears?

Is there a meter to detect phobia? Gays have rights. Those are easier to detect violation. If a gay wants to casually toss a label on someone as being homophobic, they are guilty by accusasation? In civil cases there must be damage. That will be hard to prove.

Richard Lamb : I wonder will the same bill include hetero-phobia provisions.

Christdependent : The real issue behind this push for societal acceptance of homosexuality is the intention to silence anyone who says it is wrong. Control of the language is where all oppressive political regimes begin, and in light of the fact that Jesus is identified as the "living WORD," and Satan is the father of lies, no one should be surprised.

Billi #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

If I pray to God to kill you, naturally He's not going to listen to my prayer!

If I don't pray in accordance to His will, of course He's not going to answer my prayers!

If your kids ask for stupid things, will you give them what they want?

If your kids ask for things that are good for them, wouldn't you always try to give what's good to them?

Do you understand now, how God is like a parent or you still wish to see God as a Genie in the Bottle?

George Yurich #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Well if you are not an atheist then you should agree that logical and analytical thinking dictate that there is a Supreme Intelligence governing the universe.

[Your original argument was a tautology. You claim that atheists don't think logically when they reject premise X, then you present their rejection of premise X as evidence for your claim that they lack logical thought.]

I accept God and Christianity because I utilized logical and analytical thinking to ascertain that God and Christianity are totally logical to believe in.

Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

So when will humans develp wings, a beak, or maybe alien traits since evolutionists claim that only fitter species survive?

And since they've already claimed that we came from our less fit ancestor apes, then what is more fit than humans? Aliens perhaps? So sorry, evolutionists, but your contradictions are exposed and your game is over even if you deny it. Claiming that animals turn into humans and explaining it by the survival of fitter species presupposes that humans will turn into a completely new and superior species than we are today.

So when will that be and what will that entail? A god perhaps? How anyone can adopt such a ludicrous and impossible notion that apes breed anything but apes & humans breed anything but humans not only contradicts biology and reality, but it is an embarrassment to humanity, not to mention those who consider themselves "experts" in biology. It only proves that "For the wisdom of the world is foolishness in God's sight." The theory of evolution is more impossible than anything in the bible. It would probably have been laughed out of science fiction books before the 19th century. That shows that humans are indeed in a state of decay, rather than more fit than the minds of previous generations.

scarlets79 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

*assuming here "intelligence" in species is something that can be measured, in some way

Think of the distribution of "intelligence" after billions of years of evolution. If you graphed it for every species excluding humans, sure some species would be smarter than others (e.g. circus animals smarter than my cat who's not the brightest), but not that much variation really.

Now add human beings, and you'd see a huge spike in your graph. It is reasonably to ask how evolution over billions of years could have produced one "species" that stands out so much. The only species to make its way to the moon. This species also has not even been challenged by another species for control of the earth (though the dinosaurs might have been a struggle).

Explain this one away evolutionists- doubt you can.

StElsewhere #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

The gays took something that was God-Given and twisted it into something that should be despised in every quarter...the Rainbow...What was the rainbow given for and by whom? ...And now look ...Those whom God despises the actions of the most...to the point that He has from the beginning...called it an "abomination"...have God's Rainbow... taken it a twisted it into something representing the most vilest thing in the LORD'S sight...The emblem of their solidarity...Is not the Rainbow the tie that binds all lesbians and gays together? You can call me a homophobe or intolerant...it matters not...the one thing I can't be called is... a LIAR! Each time I see a Gay Pride Parade...awash in God's heavenly Rainbow...it sickens me...I can only imagine what it does to our LORD...These are my views...What are yours?

Supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

15.) The theory of evolution is supported almost completely by atheists...and atheists don't have just a great track record for telling the truth. Lying comes natural for them, as they don't believe in The 10 Commandments and see nothing wrong with lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, etc....because, hey, we're all just dumb machines that operate by random chemicals bouncing into each other. To them, (or many of them) telling lies and killing Christians is a good thing because they hate Christians and wish we were dead.

Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Since there seems to be confusion among atheists about what energy is. Energy is a potential and cannot be weighed because it has no parameters as no invisible force does and therefore cannot be weighed. An invisible force can, however, be measured as it reacts in resistance to mass, such as the wind. But like the wind, energy itself is weightless.

Mass on the other hand, which is any finite object, can be weighed when acted upon by gravity. So a weightless force cannot contain weight. But mass on the other can does contain potential energy which is why it can be released under the proper circumstances such as nuclear fission.

And neither can an explosion solidify mass. An explosion breaks up mass! So the "Big Bang" is impossible. It is another desperate attempt to deny God.

But, as Jesus tells us, we cannot enter the kingdom of God unless we become like little children. Children already know that explosions don't create and solidify mass but break up mass. But this is lost on "Scientists" who, in their rebellion against God come up with the most ludicrous and impossible arguments because they can't see basic simple concepts like those above.

So they first need to learn that the truth is always simple because it holds no contradictions. Truth affirms reality, it doesn't contradict it. But lies, on the other hand, are always convoluted, complex, and contradictory. And science always deals in the complex, convoluted and contradictory.

Oroci_Iori #fundie #homophobia christiandiscussionforums.org

Tolerance is the furthest these schools promote. You get teachers and principals alike rattling out students whom openly state they don't condone homosexuality. What really occurs is the homosexual community silencing any whom oppose it. You say homosexuality is a sin or shameful and you're labeled bigoted and hateful.