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God says you have to do everything I tell you to!

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Look on this work, ye Mighty, and despair!

nautical999 #fundie ministeringdeliverance.com

Leviathon is a spirit I have battled as well. It was a hard battle but was won. It was about four months or more ago. My wife and I were in McDonalds and were having a conversation with an angel and Leviathon had come up. I told the angel that i wanted to fight this demon and he said I could. On the way back to the hotel I asked the angel if he could bring the demon to a predestinated place and he said yes. I figured that since Leviathon was from the depths of the sea he would be used to the cold water so I filled the tub up with scalding hot water and blessed the water. The angels (there were two now) brought Leviathon bound to the tub and fought with me. We all pulled our swords from our hips and began running this demon through with all my strength and everything I had. I would say it took atleast half an hour or more. We were all spent but the battle was won.

Chinese government officials in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region #fundie #racist thechinastory.org

(Results of interviews with members of China’s Uygur minority who had managed to escape from internment camps on the reasons they had been given for their arrest)

Owning a tent
Owning extra food
Owning a compass
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Abstaining from alcohol
Abstaining from cigarettes
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Wailing, publicly grieving, or otherwise acting sad when your parents die
Performing a traditional funeral
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Wearing a scarf in the presence of the Chinese flag
Wearing a hijab (if you are under 45)
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Arguing with an official
Sending a petition that complains about local officials
Not allowing officials to sleep in your bed, eat your food, and live in your house
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Having a full beard
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Speaking your native language in school
Speaking your native language in government work groups
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Speaking with someone who has travelled abroad
Having travelled abroad yourself
Merely knowing someone who has travelled abroad
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Not attending mandatory propaganda classes
Not attending mandatory flag-raising ceremonies
Not attending public struggle sessions
Refusing to denounce your family members or yourself in these public struggle sessions
Trying to kill yourself when detained by the police
Trying to kill yourself when in the education camps
Inviting multiple families to your house without registering with the police department
Being related to anyone who has done any of the above

Readytodie85 #fundie reddit.com

All do respect why are atheist people in this forum God please place me next to them at judgment day lol so many perverted versions of christianity only one acceptable version you either believe in Jesus and live for him or perish in hell

Anonymous #fundie quora.com

Let me tell you my story. I used to be an hours praying, Bible disecting, days fasting Christian who used to go to church every day of the week that there was a service (which, at the time was 4 times a week, including rehersals). I could see the influence of the Devil in any source of media. And make a good argument by the bible. I was never irrational.

How I felt about dragons. There was a time when I did not like dragons. Because dragons associated to snakes associated to the Devil. I didn’t really mind snakes. At the time, I just thought they shouldn’t be kept as pets, but they are still God’s creation, and God used snakes. Like Moses’s staff, or the bronze snake in the desert. But dragons are not creation of God. What is the dragon?

To me, the dragon was the devil pretending to be God. Specially Chinese dragons. The snake was a clever creature in the garden of Eden, who gave Adam and Eve the knowledge of right and wrong (in other words, stole their innosence, corrupted their innocent minds). Asian dragons are wise, and they impart knowledge to mankind. So, these are not ordinary snakes God’s creation. These were the snakes representative of the Devil. That’s what dragons were to me.

To me, the Asian dragons were born as any other mythology. Distortion of the truth and some influence of the Devil. The dragon had been given aditional features to be more awesome (in the more traditional sense), and had been made big and celestial, and even been given power over nature. It had become a deity. The dragon was a god, like the Devil has always wanted to be.

So what about the other dragons? To me, they were still representatives of the Devil. Maybe not worshiped gods, or at least not directly, but devilish snakes stealing the love of the people. Dragons are cute and friendly? Demons are shapeshifting deceivers. They can be cute and friendly too. To me, dragons were teaching people to accept demons if they are cute and act friendly. Because they only pretend to be, but they really want to condemn your soul. Or at least, that was my perspective. And hey, according to Islam, there is a slight possibility that demons can genuinely turn good. Anyway:

I also did not like when I spent nine hours in fasting and prayer and reading the bible and singing christian songs in my room all by myself, and felt in communion with God, but went to my Christian uncle’s house to visit, and we would watch a movie, to which I would be tempted not just by myself, but by my family. And even if the movie was not about anything of the Devil, when we would finish watching the movie, that feeling of communion with God was gone.

Despite that, all my life I have been fascinated by lizards and dinosaurs. So of course, I was naturally fascinated by dragons. But the bible says “deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow me”. And that’s what I did. A few months after, I read Job. I have read like 66% of the bible. I had heard of the leviathan before, but most of the time, I forgot, and also, because I had only heard about it, I did not know what to think. Even after I read about it, I was not sure what to think. I was going back and forth between my bible and my nearly 10lb biblical dictionary. And I read the psalms. Specially psalm 104. After a while, it seemed more reasonable to me that leviathan is a real animal. And dragon is no more devil than it is wolf or snake. Dragons are no more devils than lions are gods. God is not literally a lion, and even if he were, that doesn’t make all lions gods. The Devil is not literally a dragon, and even if it were, the rest of dragons are not devils.

But most dragons are not like leviathan either. And those that are, often are compared to gods. Like Godzilla. Btw I also did not like Godzilla because people compared him to gods. And Godzilla is not a dragon, but one of the most similar things to leviathan.

So, dragons were still representative of the devil to me for a while. But later I started thinking about it. Were they really representative of the Devil? They were mostly just like normal animals. And then I stopped thinking of dragons as the Devil.

But I still had all the other issues with fantasy and dustraction and stuff. So yeah.

David J. Stewart #fundie #conspiracy #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

In Bible prophecy Russia is mentioned, but not the United States. I am fully convinced that Revelation 18 is the United States, the wicked nation that goes up in flames in just ONE HOUR. I am convinced this refers to nuclear war, which is the only way a nation could be totally destroyed, sent back to the medieval period in ONE DAY! If The United States Goes To All Our Nuclear War With Russia, We Won't Win! Revelation 18:8 and 19, “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. ...And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.” America deserves God's fierce judgment!!!

Homosexuality is a vile sin in God's sight. Sexual immorality is epidemic across the United States! Adultery is commonplace. Fornication is everywhere! Pedophiles are everywhere! The pedophile problem is so bad in major cities across America, that city ordinances now forbid adults without a child from sitting within 150 feet of a playground. Can you imagine? The Roman Catholic Church is a haven for pedophiles, homosexuals and pederasts, but nobody is doing anything about it! What has our nation become?

Television is as filthy as ever, which woefully contributes to the problem. Hollywood is a cesspool of iniquity, which woefully contributes to the problem. But the root of the problem goes much deeper than just television and movies. The apostate condition of the churches is the major cause of our nation's deterioration. Where are the preaching preachers?

Rock music has changed our nation, incrementally, into a liberal-minded, indifferent, nation tolerant of sin! Booze, illegal drugs, drug trafficking, prostitution, assault, human trafficking, robbery, selfishness, covetousness, pride, boasters, disobedient to parents, and all manner of evil are happening everywhere in the United States! Apathy is commonplace. How did all this come about? In 1962 homosexuality was a punishable crime in all 50 states, but in 2015 it was legal in every state! How did our nation go to moral ruin in just 53 years? It was a consequence of social engineering by Luciferians behind the scenes, who promoted everything vile and unholy to influence the masses to live in sin without God.

That is why praise of Aleister Crowley and Satanism were a common theme among the pioneering Rock bands. who destroyed America. Led Zeppelin idolized Satanist Aleister Crowley, as did The Beatles and other popular bands. The band Rush commonly displays occult pentagrams in their music and album art work. New World Order symbols have always been featured throughout the entertainment industry, showing the Satanic subversion behind it all. Pink Floyd, Jefferson Starship, Blue Oyster Cult, Black Sabbath, Megadeth, Metallica, Iron Maiden, and thousands of other music groups are all saturated with Satanic and NWO symbols. This clearly evidences the Satanic plot to destroy the United States from within! If you doubt these things, you are woefully naive! Satan is the god of this evil world.

Here's a disturbing YouTube video about prophetic events in 2019. The world is quickly moving toward a Global Godless Totalitarian Communist Police State! We are increasingly hearing about a one world system (global DNA database, world court, global taxes, global military, cashless society, world church, et cetera). President Donald Trump - Mark of The Beast By 2020? Many Will Die! Calm Before The Storm! There are a lot of things in the works right now, gearing up for the Tribulation period. The return of the Lord Jesus Christ to catch up the saints (i.e., Rapture) has never been closer! We are beholding the last days! Even so, come, Lord Jesus!!!

Just as I made friends with a mean dog and turned him into my friend, the world is slowly being converted over to Satan! The Antichrist is called the “Man Of Sin” (2nd Thessalonians 2:3). Instead of barbequed skirt steak, the churches have been infiltrated and are being corrupted with New World Order Bible versions. Instead of barbequed skirt steak, our nation's homes are being infiltrated and corrupted by Satanic Hollywood, through various forms of media. It is not a coincidence that Harry Potter is a witch, who has been pushed upon impressionable children worldwide. Harry Potter is the Devil's ribeye steak being used to convert the children over to Satan! The world is deliberately being corrupted, defiled with all manner of evil, to prepare them to receive the coming Man Of Sin!

sv3rige #fundie youtube.com

You're mentally ill if you don't eat raw meat, OK. What excuse could you fucking possibly have for not eating your natural diet. If you see blood, liver and brain and don't find those foods appetizing then you're mentally ill. You have been indoctrinated. If you were brainwashed as a kid to eat other food then you're still mentally ill by definition.

What is actually available in nature? Not those cultivated man-made plants that you find in the shop. Fruit, for example, is mostly water with some sugar, almost no vitamins and a few minerals. Yet you see those shops everywhere that sell "vitamin bombs". What vitamins are those? Vitamin C? Where's everything else? Blood has every single vitamin. Fruit has fucking nothing. This is the retardation of today's society. The skin is toxic and so are the seeds. All of them have anti-nutrients. Absolutely fucking useless.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Something that most people don't know about Pastor Jack Hyles (1926-2001) is that he always steered young people to love, honor, respect, show gratitude, encourage, care for and be loyal to their parents. Most Bible colleges don't teach such practical things. There is nothing in this world any more important than honoring (valuing) one's parents. Even Jesus Himself, while dying on the cross and suffering in horrific pain, thought about His mother's welfare (John 19:27).

Honoring one's parents was a big deal to Dr. Hyles! Brother Hyles taught us (now that we've been to college) never to correct our parents if they speak poor English. Dr. Hyles taught us to love and appreciate our parents, and never to correct them on the Bible because we've been to Bible college. You don't go to college and then go back home and educate your parents. That's disrespectful. You love your parents and accept them as they are! If they ask questions, that's something different; but you never correct your parents when you think they're wrong. It's about respect. There should always be a general respect for one's parents (and all our elders for that matter). Youth today lack respect for the elderly. There was a time in America when young people always showed respect for their elders by addressing them as “yes Sir” and “no Sir” or “yes Mame” and “no Mame.”

You should value your parent's feelings. Teenagers today are brats who betray their parents, rob them, dishonor and hurt them. The daily news is flooded with stories nationwide of youth who dishonor their parents, dragging them into court, even killing them in anger. A 16-year-old teen in Miami, Florida, stabbed his own mother 14 times, killing her, and then he hid the body and threw a house-party!!!

This brat generation totally dishonors and disrespects parents. Teenagers can be very hard on their parents these days. The Word of God foretold in 2nd Timothy 3:1-2, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy...” The entire concept of a “Generation Gap” is disobedience to parents! Christian teens ought to recognize the teaching of a “Generation Gap” as being of the Devil. There is NO Generation Gap unless you are following the new homosexual generation, the new party-all-night-long generation, the abortion child-murdering generation, the Godless generation!!!

You honor your parents in many ways, primarily by the life that you live. You honor your parents by treating them the way you'd want your children to treat you, that is, making them feel needed and loved. Parents tend to feel unneeded when their children grow up and move away. Jesus taught that it's a sin to have the attitude that you're doing your parent(s) a favor by financially helping them...

Matthew 15:3-7, “But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites...”

Your parents raised your sorry butt. They fed you, housed you, cared for you, provided for you; how dare you make them feel like you're doing them a favor to talk to them on the phone, visit them or help them financially. You owe them, they don't owe you! You should always give to your parents without expecting anything in return, that's your mom and dad!!!

Michelle Cretella #fundie #transphobia psychologytoday.com

response to article
Submitted by American College of Pediatricians on June 7, 2017 - 10:39am
The American College of Pediatricians is a professional organization confident in the science we present and in the traditional ethics we uphold. In the past, we have typically directed critics to the relevant content on our website. Mr. Jack Turban that is not only libelous, but also denies the fact that untold numbers of American children are being experimented upon, and many of them permanently sterilized, under the guise of treating a largely transient disorder known as Gender Dysphoria of Childhood. This warrants a more public response.

The American College of Pediatricians has held true to its founding principles summarized by its slogan, “Best for Children.” The College has also endured ad hominem attacks for making factual statements that threaten agendas which promote the wants of adults over the needs of children. Attacking the messenger is a tactic commonly used by those who cannot refute a truthful message. Labels, such as hate group, extremist, right wing, miniscule, Christian fundamentalist, and deceptively named, reveal desperate attempts to deflect attention away from facts that undermine a desired agenda.

The American College of Pediatricians is precisely what its name implies: a national nonsectarian organization of child and adolescent physicians and health professionals. We have never surveyed the religious identities of our membership, nor attempted to attract physicians of a given religion. In fact, members of our Board of Directors and various committees have identified themselves as Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist. We are physicians and healthcare professionals united by a commitment to traditional Hippocratic medicine; a medical tradition that respects life from conception to natural death and provides care to all patients, as delineated in our Statement of Inclusiveness. It is true that we are relatively smaller than other medical organizations; we have 500 members and counting. Ultimately, however, this is irrelevant to the veracity of our statements; sound science and ethics are not determined by majority vote.

Responsible journalism requires thorough investigation of the subject at hand. This appears lacking with Mr. Turban’s report on the ACPeds. He and others have expressed deep concern over our very legitimate name, yet they erroneously designate us as the “ACP,” which stands for the American College of Physicians. Our proper designation is ACPeds. Our web address, pretty much gives it away. Then again, most of our detractors have never bothered to give our website, position statements, let alone any of the hundreds of scientific references there, a careful read. Were they to do so, they would realize how easily their alternative facts would be refuted, particularly those regarding Gender Dysphoria in Children.

Yes, Mr. Turban, prior to the widespread promotion of transgender affirmation, 75 - 95 percent of prepubertal children with Gender Dysphoria eventually outgrew that distress. The vast majority came to accept their biological sex by late adolescence after passing naturally through puberty. The alternative fact, recently put forth by activists, that large numbers of children who desisted were actually “misdiagnosed” with Gender Dysphoria is debunked by data in Dr. Devita Singh’s doctoral thesis, and also by Dr. T.D. Steensma et. al., as noted in slides 23-25 of our Gender Dysphoria power point.

Yes, Mr. Turban, children diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria pre-pubertally are permanently sterilized when the World Professional Association for Transgender Health and Pediatric Endocrine Society Guidelines are followed. According to these Guidelines, children are placed on puberty blockers as early as Tanner stage II of puberty (as young as age 11) and then placed directly on cross-sex hormones by age 16. An article by Dr. A. Evan Eyler, referenced in our full position statement, confirms that children administered blockers beginning at Tanner stage II and seamlessly transitioned to cross-sex hormones are prevented from producing gonadal tissue (eggs or sperm) for cryopreservation. They will be unable to have genetic offspring of their own even with artificial reproductive technology.

There is an obvious self-fulfilling effect in helping children to impersonate the opposite sex both socially and pharmacologically. Logic leads one to predict that most, if not all, pre-pubertal gender dysphoric children treated in this way will lose the potential to identify with their biological sex, and instead go on to claim a transgender identity. As noted in our position statement, the single follow-up study of such children finds just that; 100% of the pre-pubertal children placed on the social affirmation/puberty blocker protocol failed to desist.

According to the APA Handbook of Sexuality and Psychology (2014), among those youth who did resolve their Gender Dysphoria prior to the present-day transgender affirmation ethos, 63 - 100% of boys would identify as gay adults, and 32-50% of the girls would identify as lesbian by young adulthood. Affirming pre-pubertal gender dysphoric children as transgender potentially translates into a significant percentage of LGB adults being sterilized. Consequently, some members of the LGB community stand with the ACPeds against this “transgendering of children” which they view as nothing less than the single greatest form of homophobic hatred, namely, eugenics.
Contrary to popular belief, there is no evidence that the elevated rates of mental illness and suicide among transgender-identified youth and adults are due solely, or even predominately, to societal prejudice or discrimination. At least one 2008 study by LGBT-affirming researchers, noted in our Gender Dysphoria position statement, found these factors not to be causative. Mr. Turban’s article also alleges that the College has ignored evidence that transition improves mental health in gender dysphoric children. The “evidence” consists of two small short term studies that contain methodological flaws, and therefore, prove no such thing. There is also no scientifically rigorous, large, prospective or sufficiently longitudinal evidence that transition of gender dysphoric children prevents suicide in the long term. However, there is long-term research on the mental health of adults who transitioned with Gender Dysphoria. This reveals that despite initial relief of the dysphoria, one or more decades after transition, they often present with worse mental health than that of the general population, including a suicide rate nearly twenty times greater. This observation raises more questions than it answers, and should, therefore, give pediatric health professionals great pause- at least those who value evidence-based medicine and are dedicated to ‘first do no harm’.

Some members of the transgender community recognize this and have expressed solidarity with the ACPeds. Rene Jax, a Male to Female Trans author, wrote:

"Dear Dr. Cretella,
Chemical castration, sterilization and surgical mutilation are more than just words to me. They are personal and brutal realities; no child should be subjected to this. Thank you."

The ACPeds has also been contacted by clinicians and academic physicians across the political spectrum, including LGB affirming clinicians. They have expressed their gratitude to the ACPeds for saying publicly what they cannot. Division chairs in psychology and sociology, and many pediatric endocrinologists have told us that to stand for science and go against transgender group think is professional suicide and often results in relentless harassment including death threats.

Belief is in the mind; not in the body. Everyone knows that thinking or feeling that something is true does not make it true. When people consistently and persistently insist something that is contrary to physical reality, they are, at best, confused, or at worst, delusional. According to the alternative logic of transgender experts, however, this is true in every instance except where biological sex is concerned. In this case alone, the persistent and consistent insistence of something contrary to physical reality is definitive proof of the metaphysical claim that an immaterial essence, or in the words of Dr. John Money, “[an] internal sexed identity” is trapped in the wrong body. This foundational claim of transgender medicine has far more in common with a quasi-religion than it has with evidence-based science. How much longer will society sacrifice the health of its children upon these altars?

Michelle Cretella, MD, FCP President

Anonymous #fundie fstdt.com

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/03/the-holy-see-and-cardinal-pell

Cardinal George Pell’s December 2018 conviction on charges of “historic sexual abuse” was a travesty of justice, thanks in part to a public atmosphere of hysterical anti-Catholicism—a fetid climate that had a devastating impact on the possibility of his receiving a fair trial.

How else does one explain how 12 jurors, presented with uncorroborated charges refuted by overwhelming evidence that the alleged crimes could not have happened, completely reversed the overwhelming pro-acquittal vote delivered by a hung jury in the cardinal’s first trial last year?

ssener2001 #fundie arstechnica.com

(Something about Ars Technica and fundies today,,, Also, the formatting is his)

belief in the hereafter is fundamental to the life of society and to man's personal life, and is the basis of his happiness, prosperity, and achievement.( some proofs)
The First:
It is only with the thought of Paradise that children, who form almost a half of mankind, can endure all the deaths around them, which appear to them to be grievous and frightening, and strengthen the morale of their weak and delicate beings. Through Paradise they find hope in their vulnerable spirits, prone to weeping, and may live happily. For example, with the thought of Paradise, one may say: "My little brother or friend has died and become a bird in Paradise. He is flying around Paradise and living more happily than us." The frequent deaths before their unhappy eyes of other children like themselves or of grown-ups will otherwise destroy all their resistance and morale, making their subtle faculties like their spirits, hearts, and minds weep in addition to their eyes; they will either decline utterly or become crazy, wretched animals...
Second Proof:
It is only through the life of the hereafter that the elderly, who form half of mankind, can endure the proximity of the grave, and be consoled at the thought that their lives, to which they are firmly attached, will soon be extinguished and their fine worlds come to an end. It is only at the hope of eternal life that they can respond to the grievous despair they feel in their emotional child-like spirits at the thought of death. Those worthy, anxious fathers and mothers, so deserving of compassion and in need of tranquillity and peace of mind, will otherwise feel a terrible spiritual turmoil and distress in their hearts, and this world will become a dark prison for them, and life even, grievous torment..............
from Quran's Light

bhs128 #fundie arstechnica.com

(Emphasis mine)

Newsflash! People are imperfect, and collections of people are also imperfect. Such crimes are not part of their creed. They aimed high and failed spectacularly, but at least they aimed. You claim no atheist has molested children? No corporation has protected their own? No police department has covered up law breaking cops? No law firm? No political party? Mob? All non religious organizations full of imperfect people.

Frankly it is mostly due to Christian morality that molestation is even considered abhorrent- a hedonistic atheist is perfectly justified in molesting kids. Right? Wrong? By whose standard? Why should they care? There is no god, and they happen to like groping kids- you live once and then you die.

It is far easier for an atheist to justify molesting kids than a Christian, and the only reason there aren’t more is that atheists are such a small minority. Thankfully most of them still cling to their Christian-rooted ethics (though there is little reason to assume that will continue).

cewoldt #fundie arstechnica.com

Here are some examples of important physical evidence that is far better explained by flood geology than by standard deep time geology:

Well, what about planation surfaces over large areas between various geological layers. And why are there layers with millions of years between them while in many places, there is little or no erosion or debris? How can there be nearly continent wide unconformities and layers? How can the angles of repose for the continental shelves, and even their existence, be adequately explained by standard geology? How do you account for ice ages--I mean without giving anything but a highly speculative idea?

How were water gaps and wind gaps formed? By sslloowwllyy rising ground surfaces that matched the erosion rates? Really? And how were the Grand Canyon and others formed? By the tiny river down in the canyon? Not likely.

These questions and more can be much better answered by flood geology.

cewoldt #fundie arstechnica.com

The Worldwide Flood
There are lots of comments about how much water it would take to inundate the whole world with a flood, and where the water would go after the flood.

There is currently enough water to cover the entire surface of a flat earth with about a mile and a half deep of water. Prior to the Flood, a great deal of this water was under the earth as the Bible says in Genesis 7:11—-“. . . and the fountains of the deep opened up.” (Recent reports suggest that there may still be more water in the crust than there is on the surface.) And the world was much flatter than it is today, perhaps just one continent. So there was plenty of water to flood the entire land surface of the relatively flat earth.

There were tremendous tectonic and volcanic activities during the flood. As a result, the continents rose and the ocean floors sunk, just as the Bible records—Psalm 104:8. As this occurred, there was rapid water runoff from the continents into the oceans. During this time is when much of the water laid down sediments and fossils were created, as well as the continental shelves. All agree that on the highest mountain in the world, Mt. Everest, that there are marine fossils, and that these mountains were raised by tectonic activity. What young earth v. deep time advocates disagree on is how long this lifting process took, not that this is what happened.

Overall, the geological evidence we see today is best explained by a worldwide catastrophic flood.

Everything Is Racist Award

ShagnWagn #fundie arstechnica.com

Hint: You don't need to be a Creationist to see the evidence of a global flood. This is basically antisemitism against any belief.

Secular people see the evidence of a global flood themselves, but several don't want to believe it's true just because it is written in the bible.

cewoldt #fundie arstechnica.com

IAM4U
You are absolutely right that a worldwide flood would account for these fossils very well. And what is the evidence for a worldwide flood that another commenter asks for? Billions of dead things (fossils) buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth. And that is exactly what we find. Sedimentary rock covers about three quarters of the earth’s surface and many of these contain fossils. We find marine fossils even on the top of Mount Everest, which means that the mountain must have been pushed up through tectonic plate activity during and after a massive flood.
Further, slow burial as a previous poster assumes, doesn’t work for fossilization, especially for organisms with soft bodies. Fossilization requires rapid and generally deep burial as the article acknowledges. Oxygen must be quickly excluded as must scavengers—within days at most. Gradual burial just doesn’t work.
I am not sure how the narrative of a global ice age causing extinction fits in either. There is really no good evidence for a worldwide ice age or ages—“snowball earth”. That postulate creates a lot more problems than it solves. The striations on the rocks which are interpreted as evidence for ice ages in the lower latitudes were most likely created by massive catastrophic landslides, most of them in a submarine environment.
There are lots of speculative theories to explain an ice age, but these fall far short of being reasonable. The only reasonable explanation is I have read is from Michael Oard. Like fossilization, ice ages take very special conditions—First, warmer oceans are necessary to put massive amounts of moisture in the air. Perhaps you’ve heard the phrase, “It’s too cold to snow.” That is because really cold air doesn’t carry enough moisture for snow. Next, for glaciers to form you need many years of accumulated snowfall. Much cooler continents are necessary so that the moisture comes down as snow and remains un-melted through the summer. How could both of these requirements be met? The oceans would be warmed by massive global techtonics and volcanism; the land masses would remain cool due to the massive amounts of volcanic dust in the atmosphere.
Another problem with this published narrative is that it states that half the species uncovered are unknown. That is often an argument from ignorance. Dr. Carl Werner conducted a multi-year study and found that many of the purported new species are not really such if fossils from museums around the world are actually compared—and on many occasions, the fossils are very similar to existing, living species.

John Baugh #fundie youtube.com

Rontow: I just want to correct you on one thing, as a Jew who read the entirety of the Tanach, Gehenna is not hell, it is a physical location called "guy Ben hinom" ("guy" meaning "valley", the "valley of the son of hinom") where Canaanite pagans (and heretic Jews at times) sacrificed their first born. There's no hell in the old testament (and Judaism), Gehenna is a physical location you can visit, though it is believed to be cursed (from the whole sacrificing thing)?

John Baugh: It was used by Jesus as a metaphor for Hell. And the Old Testament is full of the reality of Hell. With all due respect, Rabbinical Judaism of today is descended largely from the teaching of the Pharisees, and is a far cry from the sacrificial system under Abraham, and then Moses, instituted by God. Many (most?) Jews today do not acknowledgement an actual Hell, nor an actual Satan, and most I've spoken with don't acknowledge an actual Heaven or afterlife either. This is entirely contradictory of the teaching in the Tanakh (which I've also read many times.)?

?skylander king: I'm Jewish and the way I heard of Hell is as just a midpoint between being reincarnated if you didn't make it into Heaven the first few times. A boiling swamp where your soul would be tortured 6 days a week and only let out on Shabbat. I'm not sure how long this torture lasts for, only that it's not eternity.?

John Baugh: Well, the interpretation involving reincarnation is not consistent with the teachings in what we Christians refer to as the Old Testament (The Hebrew Bible, Tanakh.) Reincarnation is more of a pagan/far eastern/new age philosophy (probably introduced into Judaism by some sort of Kabbalah tradition.) Some of the confusion is because the New Testament uses terms that would have been more familiar to the Greek world (e.g., Hades, Tartarus), and then when English translations came about, the Nordic influence into English was clear, since the word "Hell" is from Germanic/Nordic tradition. But this doesn't mean the CONCEPTS were "borrowed" from the pagans. It's that that terms they could at least have some concept of could be used and clarified when needed. It is true that our knowledge of Hell is limited, but the souls definitely went to Sheol, sometimes also called "Mot" (although that is also a term borrowed from neighboring/conquered civilizations like the Canaanites for clarification.) I'd say that it's quite clear God says He was have vengeance and judgment upon sinners, and that this is a permanent state, if one makes a careful reading of Scripture a priority. (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5 are all decent references) Also, throughout history, God revealed Himself and how the universe works over time, so the earliest Jews didn't have all the information - there was a lot of mystery. For example, Jews then (and even still don't) didn't understand exactly who the Messiah would be. They assumed it would be a political figure that would save them from tyranny. This is why the Jews (Pharisees primarily) during the time of Jesus were assuming the Messiah would be someone to throw off the Roman conquerors, but in the same respect, they didn't want to rock the boat because Rome gave them quite a bit of autonomy. But, the prophecies about the Messiah throughout the OT says that He would be "bruised for our transgressions" and the "punishment that brought us peace was upon Him" (Isaiah 53 - which is CLEARLY NOT about anyone other than someone whose punishment can pay for your sins.) Furthermore, an enormous portion of the Old Testament/Tanakh points to Jesus as Messiah. And although this group gets a lot of hate from orthodox and non-Messianic Jews, I'd recommend they are a group to at least consider, as far as the points they have to make:

IAM4U #fundie arstechnica.com

(On an article about the discovery of a large trove of Cambrian fossils in China)

What buried these creatures so quickly and preserved them for thousands of years? A massive flood would do that. No one has proved it didn’t happen and many ancient cultures recorded stories of a flood that wiped out mankind. The resistance to such a flood explanation is not based on science, just prejudice. It fits the evidence.

HighTGymcel #fundie incels.is

[Based] I hope for an european civil war!!!

I will go outside and fight against normies from all sides I will kill left wing cucks, cuckservatives, Migrant cucks everybody who isnt incel. It would be life fuel I could rapemaxx too.

ThinTinyDickCel #fundie incels.is

My main issue about never having had any sexual experiences

I can't relate to anyone. I feel like people who had sexual experiences and myself live in different dimensions. The vast majority of people went through a normal childhood experiencing girlfriends, kissing and sex during their teenage years but I didn't. I can't relate to people I see in my daily life (not even family members with the only exeption being perhaps my parents) but lately it's even extended to musicians that I listen to, or any entertainment figures. I watch Esports for example and when a pro player makes a post on Twitter about their girlfriend I lose respect for them. Not because of jealousy but because I know they'd never understand how I feel.

It's hard to explain, but it's really alienating, it's much more than just not having friends or having been in relationships. I actually feel like an alien. Anyone else understand what I'm trying to say?

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Christophobia

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(image says: "1 innocent Christian is murdered every 5 minutes just for believing in Jesus. Christianity is illegal in 51 countries. LEGALIZE JESUS")

Christophobia: the intolerance of, hostility towards and/or discrimination against Jesus Christ/God and Christians.

Why has intolerance towards God/Jesus Christ and Christians increased? Why is it celebrated?

Why aren't more news sources reporting the rampant persecution and abuse of Christians?

Why hasn't the mass murders of millions of Christians all over the world been denounced and stopped by every world leader?

Why is the hate (Christophobia) and physical abuse against Christians, in the video below, allowed ?

https://youtu.be/LI2_6mZi12k (link goes to YouTube video: "D.C. Pride Parade: Gay Supporters Attack Christian Preacher")

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Franklin E. Tompkins Sr. #fundie naturalnews.com

[Responding to an article entitled "Science proves the Earth isn’t flat: An expert shares ways you can see for yourself"]

You can believe the Bible, or you can believe theoretical physics. You can't believe both. They are diametrically opposed to each other. You can either worship God, or NASA. gov Your choice. Choose wisely.

davidtaylorjr #fundie baptistboard.com

Surely you know that radiological dating is not accurate. You do different radiological dating methods on the same rock and you will get two very different "ages."

This is also based on a lot of assumptions that the chemical makeup of that rock has always been the same as well as other assumptions.

We also know that we have shown live dinosaur tissue. If they were millions of years old, as claimed, then there is no possible way for this to occur.

robert boe #fundie christiannews.net

Every thing that is against the bible that christians have to sit through to make a grade be it this or the teachings on evolution is a form of Christian persecution. In the wider sence. That what lutherans believe we know were being persecuted. Even gateway pundit supposedly a conservative political site Persecute's christians this is Gods world when a christian can not say that His God is by far better than any other God that is persecution in the wide sence! When you can not openly honor God in this world of his with out some devils advocate stopping your post from being seen!

Relentless #fundie #homophobia goddidntsaythat.com

Relentless: Here’s what it boils down to, in my opinion:
— there is no example of a good homosexual relationship anywhere in scripture
— there is no condemnation of heterosexuals doing “that which is unnatural”
— Paul stated exactly what he meant: men lying with men, and women lying with women
— in 1 Cor. 6:9-11 (see also 1 Tim. 1:9-10) Paul lists homosexuality in a list of things the people had once been but were now cleansed from. (I understand some hold that Paul’s word “arsenokoitais” meant a particular kind of homosexuality, but this is begging the question.)
— the mere possibility of some doubt upon the meaning of a word does not overturn context
— If the Bible is malleable enough to throw context away, there’s no point in debating its content
— The charge of having an agenda to oppose homosexuality is no more true than the charge of having an agenda to accept it; that is, there is easily as much evidence that some are bent on getting it accepted, as that some are bent on getting it rejected
— Love does not mean accepting and tolerating any and every behavior society deems normal and healthy, and at times the Christian community seems to have lower morals than society
— see 1 Cor. 5, where Paul showed no concern over whether the couple were faithful and loving; not even heteros can have just anyone they want, such that it isn’t just homosexuals who are denied that freedom
And as I mentioned before, looking at Paul’s list of bad things, and picking only one item for nuances allowing certain types of that behavior, is the fallacy of special pleading and begging the question. The burden of proof for acceptance of some forms of homosexual practice lies with its supporters, and no such proof can be derived from scripture.

Joel H: Relentless:
"The comment I made before really has nothing to do with the nuances of the words but the section as a whole. Paul is portraying same-sex intimacy in a very bad light."
It’s clear that Paul is portraying same-sex intimacy as unnatural for some people, in particular, for those who start with heterosexuality (and “exchange” it for homosexuality). This doesn’t mean that it’s against everyone’s nature.
By comparison, Paul refers to “deceit” in verse 28. Do you think that deceit is always evil? What about the father using deceit to smuggle his daughter out of a war zone? Do you think Paul condemns such a parent?

Relentless: Joel, I just don’t see “for some people” in the context there. Would Paul also say that “for some people” heterosexuality is unnatural? Again, the burden of proof is on the addition of “for some people”.
As for deceit, you provided an example where it can have a good meaning, and such can even be found in scripture (e.g. when Samuel was told to lie about his reasons for going to anoint the next king of Israel). Please provide such a good example in scripture for homosexuality.

Robert Kan: It is not correct to say that they exchanged their natural affections with unnatural affections. The text claims that they “exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures”. And “they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator”. Paul goes on to condemn a lot of behaviors after describing the source of the problem, making it clear that it was God who “gave them over to degrading passions”. It may well be that the source of the “problem” today is not the same as it was during the time of Paul, but that does not change the status of the listed behaviors. People today attribute the “problem” to genetics, but it matters little in the end. At the end of the day, it’s the behavior that Paul ultimately condemns – “those who practice such things are worthy of death”.
Trying to find some “good” exceptions to justify a practice that would otherwise be evil is not helpful. Deceit is never good – but it may be the lesser of the two evils when push comes to shove.

Joel H: Robert,
You quote Romans 1:32 (“They know God’s decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die — yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them.) What do you think “such things” in this verse are? And why?

Robert Kan: I imagine that the list is not exhaustive. But it’s still pretty impressive to say the least. “Such things” closes the loop for those who might try too hard to find a way out.

Joel H. on June 12, 2015 at 8:55 am
What I meant is this:
The paragraphing in the NRSV suggests that the clause only refers to vss. 28-31 (and, therefore, the behaviors in 29-31). This would make sense, particularly if verses 28 and 32 bracket the list.
Do you agree with the NRSV, or do you think verse 32 refers back even further?

Relentless: Joel, I see 26-32 as one paragraph. There is a pericope in 24-26: God handed them over, they turned the truth of God into a lie, and God turned them over. Then the rest of the chapter is spent in describing the consequences of God having turned them over. Then, in ch. 2, Paul turns on the Jews who were reading all this and patting themselves on the back. Once again, the pervasiveness of sin does not excuse it, and the thief cannot judge the homosexual without hypocrisy. The solution is not to pretend that neither theft nor homosexuality is sin, but to admit both are, and to abstain from both.

Rick #fundie goddidntsaythat.com

(=Context:The site linked is based around studing and talking about translation errors in the Bible=)

Let not any verse teach what another passage blatantly contradicts. The harmony of Scripture is one of the reasons it’s claims of inspiration is justified. Simply stated, we are not to interject man’s interpretation but rather study to find the divine interpretation. How is this done you ask? Harmony of scripture is one such way.
God DID expressly condemn homosexuality of any gender. Both in the Old law and the new.
Lev. 18:22. And Romans 1:24-27. Just to name 2. There are dozens more references but these prove the point well.
To offer up such a unsupported and misguided theory of interpretation shows your lack of understanding of God’s word.
1 john 4:1 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
One way to test the spirits is by harmony of scripture. If I pose an interpretation that contradicts the bible, I am at fault not the bible. I must align to its truth not manipulate it to meet my personal desires whatever they are.
I pray you will repent of this false and misleading interpretation that will cost many who believe you to loose their souls.

Shadowdancer Duskstar #fundie accordingtohoyt.com

Deeply ?

As The Phantom put it further below, a priest was stabbed in the middle of mass in the biggest Catholic church in his country, and there’s no news or reports of the perp. It’s like they’re suddenly cracking down on any mention of Muslim atrocity anywhere.

I’m not in the LEAST bit sympathetic to the Rohingya. Frankly, I’m of the opinion they pushed the Buddhists too far, and now the Buddhists are no longer willing to listen to reason and are hell bent on genocide.

And frankly, since that’s what the Muslims generally go for once they reach a certain percentage of population in a country as religiously mandated protocol I don’t feel that the response they’ve gotten is unjustified

I used to write about this regularly back in my Livejournal days (I’m sure Foxfier and Mary remember ’em— How often would I do a round-up? Almost daily?) and stopped because it got to a point where I felt that warning the West / Dar al-Harb again and again and again was pointless, and it’d simply going to be a matter of waiting until the scales were tipped and crashed on the ground. Because things like this ‘happened over there’, it was easy to dismiss that things like this even happened at all, there was a constant sense of ‘but our governments won’t let that happen; our police will protect us, our military will defend us—’

And we’re seeing exactly how ‘defended’ the people are in Germany, in Europe, in Canada. Short of One Nation suddenly getting more power than ever before, I doubt Australia will survive either, but likely will fracture into individual states.

So yeah, while the media may have gotten ‘what they wanted’ in the NZ shooter, and are happy to play the pawns to what he wanted, this doesn’t mean that people aren’t paying attention. And frankly, since the media/Left haven’t gotten more of what they wanted, they’re pushing a crackdown on civil rights for non-Leftists everywhere— like he wanted—

So I guess is, what do we do now? I’m of the opinion, frankly that there’ll be more of the same ‘massaging’ of content that we’ve seen in FB and Twitter and other net-hosting. There’ll be more muzzling of conservatives and alternatives to ‘approved’ media and discussion places.

I guess there’s always the Dark Web – for now- but that would require building a place for discussion there.

But what do I know? I’m just someone out the back of beyond, borderline conspiracy theorist, not liking what she’s seeing (things are escalating, every warning of ‘not safe not safe’ going off—)

Andrew Anglin #fundie dailystormer.name

[From "Brenton Tarrant was a Uniformed Partisan Fighting an Occupying Force"]

In Brenton Tarrant’s manifesto, he acknowledges that the act was technically terrorism, by the accepted definition of the term. But he argues that he is actually a partisan, fighting back against an occupying force.

Though the definitions of “terrorist” and “partisan” are such that there is a lot of overlap and one could probably be considered both at the same time (especially given that the definition of the former is broad and vague), the bottom line is that a terrorist is an illegitimate combatant and a partisan is a legitimate combatant. Tarrant made a concerted effort to ensure that he meets the definition of a partisan.

In the Q&A section, Tarrant writes:

Do you consider it a terrorist attack?

By the definition, then yes. It is a terrorist attack. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force.

Further, he states plainly what his defense will be at trial:

If you survived, did you intend to go to trial?

Yes, and to plead not guilty. The attack was a partisan action against [an] occupying force, and I am a lawful, uniformed combatant.

A partisan is defined thusly:

A member of an armed group formed to fight secretly against an occupying force, in particular one operating in enemy-occupied Yugoslavia, Italy, and parts of eastern Europe in World War II.

Wikipedia has the historical context of the concept pre-WWII:

The initial concept of partisan warfare involved the use of troops raised from the local population in a war zone (or in some cases regular forces) who would operate behind enemy lines to disrupt communications, seize posts or villages as forward-operating bases, ambush convoys, impose war taxes or contributions, raid logistical stockpiles, and compel enemy forces to disperse and protect their base of operations.

Under international law, no distinction is made between a soldier and a partisan, and a partisan is considered a soldier so long as he meets four requirements:
• There is someone at the head of the organisation, who assumes liability
• They can be identified by a sign or mark, which is visible from far away
• They carry their weapons openly
• They adhere to the customs and laws of war, during their operation

Though Brenton was not a member of an organization, he assumed liability for his own actions. He also included a section in his manifesto about contacting the reborn Knights Templar, the group of Anders Breivik, and getting their blessing, which I suspect he included to fulfill the first requirement.

He wore a uniform with a visible military insignia.

[Black sun emblem on his clothes]

And he carried his weapons openly.

People would try to argue that he did not adhere to the customs and laws of war, which are defined by the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, because he attacked unarmed persons. However, the fact that the mosque he attacked had been caught recruiting terrorists means that it qualifies as a military base and could thus be considered a legitimate military target.

Unsurprisingly, Jewish partisans who fought against the Nazis on the Eastern Front have been celebrated as heroes, despite the fact that they were engaged in terroristic tactics that violated the laws and customs of war.

So the real world difference in definition between a terrorist and a partisan is thus:
• A partisan must be fighting in his own lands against a foreign force, whereas a terrorist is either fighting against his own people or the government of a foreign power
• In order to be considered a partisan instead of a terrorist, you have to win

The argument of the current Western globalist regime is that the Moslems of Christchurch are “New Zealanders” because they live there, and thus a white man fighting them is fighting against his own people. Because the governments of our countries are a completely autocratic, authoritarian force, they are not under any obligation for their assertions to make any sense.

Right now, it is looking as though the government of New Zealand is planning to do some kind of secret trial for Brenton Tarrant, who has said that he will be representing himself in court.

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We shouldn’t apologize for Brenton Tarrant or the many more who will inevitably follow him with similar acts. Nor should we ever endorse them. However, because we have no ability to stop these events from happening, we have no choice but to deal with them, in the same way that the government and media cannot stop Moslem terrorist attacks but can only manage the public perception of them in the larger context of society.

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Something to Consider...in addition to the Apology

Recently, I issued an Apology to the unique users (not trolls, not bots, not socks and not psychologically insane individuals) I disappointed at the beginning of my journey here on Disqus. After careful consideration, I think that maybe I should let anyone who was personally affected know that I am open to reconciliation (and possibly lifting their ban). This is not an invitation for trolls to return, and I would strongly encourage anyone who would consider returning to please read our Community Guidelines before they make a decision. I also strongly recommend that they read Purpose: Faith & Religion. We are uncompromising Conservative Christians. Our community is peaceful and we intend to keep it that way. We do not pander, we do not seek trending status nor to be popular with the world. We are messengers, watchmen and servants of God here to fellowship, enjoy a few laughs, encourage one another in Christ and share truth with a lost and dying world. If you'd like to be a part of that, I am in no position to deny you-especially if you are a member of the body of Christ. And, if you aren't a believer, but can comply with our guidelines and accept that we only promote Jesus Christ here-then come on in and sit a spell :).

Seriously, if you are interested in returning, please tag me and I will respond. Unfortunately, if you were extremely abusive to me, I may have blocked you as well as banned you, but if you can reach out I am willing to attempt to reconcile...no guarantees, but I am willing to engage in a one-on-one exchange and if nothing else, seek peace with you even if returning is not possible.

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Patsy Lambert #fundie newberryobserver.com

When Jesus comes back
By Patsy Lambert - Contributing Columnist

When Jesus comes back, all evil will be destroyed. There will be no more war and no more fighting. A lot of people don't want to believe in the return of Jesus. Some don't even believe in Jesus.

It will be a sad day for all the ones that don't believe, when Jesus does return.

The first time He destroyed with water, the next time will be with fire.

"But the heaven and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7.

For the believer there will be everlasting joy.

"Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion: and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away." Isaiah 51:11.

Until that day with anticipation we wait for the blessed appearing of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

"And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye, may be also." John 14:3.

Are you ready for His return? Because Jesus is coming back.

wvpioneer49 #fundie spot.im

[A baby was born with a partially developed twin inside her. The twin has been surgically removed due to its nonviable state.]

gsaobg: Doctors fixed God's mistake.

wvpioneer49: Wrong. God is perfect in every way and does not have the ability to make mistakes. Look up why does God allow birth defects. God gave the Doctors the ability to help this baby. Most of us do not have what it takes to be Doctors

gsaobg: God created birth defects so that doctors get opportunities to fix those?

wvpioneer49: God did not create birth defects sin did. All started with Adam and Eve when they sinned.When they sinned they brought death, disease and ect in to the world. Do a little research you will understand

gsaobg: Adam and Eve story has been debunked.....no one is born with s!n.....the original s!n story is circulated to convert you into Christianity under threat....

wvpioneer49: Proof and source

gsaobg: biology and genetic studies have proved that there was never a first human man and woman....humans evolved as a group....

wvpioneer49: Sounds like you do not believe in God or believe what you want. Here is you evolution and your big band. I replied this to someone awhile back: "The evolutionist say that all life started from a single cell. If this was the case there would be just one species on earth. But there isn't there are multiple species on earth. So every species has to be created separately which is creation. If you want more info on creation read at least Genesis chapter 1 and 2"

gsaobg: species change with time through evolution......it has nothing to do whether there is God or not ....Bible genesis story has been debunked....

wvpioneer49: If you do not believe in Genesis you do not believe in God and you do not believe what the bible says.

Goddoesnotexist God created sin .

ahr2736: Deuteronomy 23:1 says, “No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.”

wvpioneer49: That is Old Testament. We are under the New Testament. Another words we are not under the old law.

gsaobg: so no more 10 commandments?

wvpioneer49: Jesus gave two new commandments
Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

gsaobg: that's fine....but what about the OT ten commandments? are they still valid?

wvpioneer49: If we follow the two commandments we follow all ten. Think about it like this If we love others we will not steal, lie, murder and ect. If we love God. We will not worship other gods and ect.

gsaobg: so OT 10 commandments are still valid....then why not Deuteronomy 23:1? do we now have to pick and choose OT laws?

wvpioneer49: Jesus made it easier. Jesus came to fulfill the old law. If we are still under the old law we would still be sacrificing animals for our sins. Jesus fulfilled the old covenant and the beginning of the new. That is why Jesus came and died so we would not have to sacrifice. Jesus died for our sins. that is why we follow Jesus We must accept Him as our Lord and Savior to get to heaven.

gsaobg: if we are not under the old law anymore, then no more 10 commandments.....from what you said so far it seems that you are uncomfortable with some of the OT laws and want to pick and choose to keep the good ones and reject the bad ones.......

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

This is America today—queers getting married (no such thing in God's eyes), queers legally adopting children (the ultimate child abuse), millions of children are still being murdered every year by abortion, women walking around in sensual attire (whores every one), greedy companies ripping people off left and right, churches fully endorsing corrupt Satanic Bible perversions, and God only knows what other ungodliness lurks behind the scenes across this no longer great nation! We need a bunch more Pastor Fred Phelps, reminding Americans why we deserve to suffer God's judgment, and burn in Hell for our wickedness!!! Why shouldn't God damn this wicked nation? I am praying for it with all my heart and mind! Please Russia, nuke this arrogant land of The Great Satan!

Mick Williams #fundie disqus.com

The Calendar and the Clock

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(TRANSCRIPTION - A photo of Rod Serling. The caption is: "There is a land that scholars refer to as God's Calendar. For us has it given The Good Book (sic).
It's (sic) prophesies reliably portend earth's proximity to zero hour. As most carry on by the clock, they seek a land they can use as hour and minute hands. It was variously called the shining city on the hill, the world's policeman, a great exporter of missionaries. Now it's the greatest exporter of smut. We're due for a time check, somewhere east of The Twilight Zone.)

In the most morally bankrupt society on earth, home to the world's most corrupt government, the ever-shrinking list of taboos just got shorter. What's the harm in incest? ask those purported experts on psychology, as long as it doesn't result in a pregnancy. That caveat, of course, will soon go the way of all the others.

Dumbed-down youth are at last electing their own to high office. These mental pygmies must pander to an increasingly ignorant base clamoring for free stuff but terrified of free speech. Witness the death of Fox News after its takeover by Disney. The sacred cow of Islam is off limits, as a conservative hostess discovered. That viewers are leaving in droves hardly matters to the ultra-liberal owners; the real goal was shutting down the last remaining source of accurate TV news.

Herewith a brief look at a typical CNN household.
DAD All the kid does is make those hand dolls--a dozen of them each day.
TODDLER Buppet! Zock! Zock buppet!
MOM Is it time to call the doctor?
DAD Waste of money. Every gene pool has its dead ends.
MOM Where did we go wrong?
DAD Quiet--Don Lemon has the latest dirt on Trump.

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(TRANSCRIPTION next to another photo of Serling: "There is a book which speaks of strong delusion for those who abhor the truth. For them, what remains is the fluff and lies of the Moscow Media. Grandchildren of those Soviet-era handlers follow the party line like lemmings to their much-awaited communist utopia. It won't end as they hope, because this is a doomed society whose time is nearly up. This...is The Twilight Zone.)

Content warning: Parental torture of children

Machelle Hackney and Ryguy101 #fundie spot.im

Creator of YouTube channel abused 7 adopted children who starred in videos watched by millions, police say

An Arizona woman's seven adopted children were a hit performing on her YouTube channel “Fantastic Adventures” -- which had nearly 800,000 followers -- but behind the camera, the 48-year-old woman beat the kids, doused them with pepper spray and locked them in a closet for days without food, water or bathroom access, according to court documents.

Machelle Hackney was arrested last Friday at her home in Maricopa — where the alleged abuse of her adopted children occurred — on charges of child molestation, child abuse, unlawful punishment and child neglect. Hackney’s two sons, Logan and Ryan Hackney, were also arrested for failing to report the abuse of a minor, FOX10 Phoenix reported.

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The children, who were removed from the home, later detailed to investigators the alleged torture they endured in the house, including being drenched in pepper spray from head-to-toe, spanked and forced to take ice baths, FOX10 reported. Hackney would allegedly dunk the children’s head underwater when they disobeyed, and forced them to stand in the corner with their arms raised above their head for several hours.

“I either get beat with a hanger or belt, or a brush, or get pepper-sprayed from head to toe,” one of the children told police, according to court documents.

Authorities said the adopted children haven’t been in school for years because Hackney needed them for her popular YouTube videos, which had more than 250 million views by Wednesday. The children said Hackney would discipline them if they didn’t remember their lines or perform the way she wanted.

On the “Fantastic Adventures” YouTube channel that began in 2012, the children were painted in a vastly different light while acting out elaborate 10-to 15-minute skits. They’re spotted sometimes eating, talking about homework, playing games in a fantasy world concocted by Hackney. The show’s Instagram page also showed pictures of the children smiling, and in a February post, spoke about a girl’s journey from foster care to Hackney’s house.

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YouTube said in a statement to the Arizona Republic that Hackney’s channel was demonetized following her arrest. The channel will be taken down if she is convicted or pleads guilty to the felony charges.

"We take safety on YouTube very seriously," the statement read. "We work closely with leading child safety organizations and others in our industry to protect young people. When we’re made aware of serious allegations of this nature we take action, which may include suspending monetization, or, upon conclusion of an investigation, terminating channels."


Ryguy101: But behind the camera, the 48-year-old woman beat the kids, doused them with pepper spray and locked them in a closet for days without food, water or bathroom access. All aborted babies would rather live in this household than be killed is the story we should also be telling.

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

(responding to a post on her channel called "The Silencing of the Lambs", link goes here:
https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/michael-brown/2019/03/21/the-silencing-of-the-lambs?utm_source=OneNewsNow&utm_medium=email&utm_term=16793253&utm_content=68268707811810616&utm_campaign=38366

Lady Checkmate:
AuntiE*TFL, its like you've taken a page out of our history here on DISQUS. I have chills just thinking about the door you just opened for us by posting this OP. I've been trying to find the right time and way to share with everyone here how insane, violent, hateful and obsessed the radical-left is with conservative Christians. They hate us and they stalk us to find ways and opportunities to act on their hate.

AuntiE, if it's ok with you, I would like to share examples of their hateful, obsessive stalking, threats, intimidation tactics and attempts to silence us. These are real life examples that have happened here on DISQUS. I ask your permission because this is your thread and I don't want to derail it. I can always start a separate thread, if you prefer. No hard feelings either way????.

P. S. I will not post his most vulgar posts like his porn, violence, threats, etc., if you agree.

I'm very familiar with the tactics of the alt-left. They were tried here, on me. This is not sympathy-shopping. I need to obey God and get the truth out-hopefully equipping others to face the persecution that is surely coming to all believers. This is me sharing examples of what their MO looks like when it's played out irl. It saddens me when I hear that "Christian" forums are hosting blasphemy, mockings, heresy and that which is not right in God's eyes for fear of being "trolled" and persecuted. I would prefer to please God than to compromise and be a man-pleaser; nevertheless, I love the brethren and continue to pray for them. I'm doing this for all of us.

Initially, it came as a surprise. I (along with a couple of other mods-who are better at modding than me btw) mod a small community of channels. Our community hosts mostly Christian Conservatives, traditional conservatives and a few liberals. All are welcome as long as they comply with our community guidelines. At some point, I had to ban an alt-left troll that was blaspheming, mocking God, and wanted to use our community to promote sin and abominations. He then warned me that he would, "be a proverbial thorn in my side". I shook the dust from my feet. I figured there are many channels on DISQUS, he'll move on and find one that's a good fit for him. He came back with dozens of sock accounts...all of which were promptly banned as socks violate our community guidelines and DISQUS ToS. He initiated his first level of attack...

By ridicule:
He started with personal insults (b-word, c-word, questioning my faith because I'm a bible-believing, conservative Christian, etc.,), more blasphemy, more mocking what we believe (all of which violated our community guidelines), with many lies peppered in and he was repeatedly sanctioned. He refused to comply with our community guidelines, refused to comply with Disqus ToS and refused to honor the sanctions. He increased his sock and bot usage. He formally notified me that he would be targeting me, stalking me, harassing me and encouraging others to do the same:

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I continued to obey God. He increased his trolling, sock and bot usage and peppered in something about "slander" and "burden of proof" in the comment above, as if he were preparing for a legal battle-perhaps this was his way of trying to intimidate me or convince me that he had the legal right to target, threaten and harass me (implying he might have the upper hand in any legal battle). In the process, he informed me that our community guidelines were "worthless to him".:

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I continued to operate our community as I said I would. It seems he felt his trolling-war tactic had given him the upper hand and he could get me to obey him and give in to his demands. He then "urged" me to read a comment of his barking orders at me and issuing ultimatums that I had to bow to him OR he would continue to troll me:

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I chose to live on my feet, obeying God rather than bow before him. When I ignored his demand and ultimatum, he sent me a comment in which he thanked his socks and bots for helping him target and harass me and he included a reminder to me to obey him or continue to be trolled and harassed:

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When I ignored his reminder as well, he addressed the fact that I was "ignoring" him and indicated he felt he'd won a victory of some sort through trolling and harassing me:

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By legal action & by expulsion
He began rallying others to help him get a petition to started to have me banned and our Conservative Christian community closed. Make no mistake, he wanted me expelled because I would not bow to him and his demands and he hates the fact that Christian conservatives (who don't want to be hounded, vexed, harassed and dogged by trolls) have a safe space here to fellowship in peace. I chose to honor God. He began to post his calls for my expulsion and our community's closure all over DISQUS, including in our community:

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He literally went all over DISQUS, on different channels, claiming he was getting a petition together to have me removed and our community closed. When a mod told him that wouldn't happen and he had no grounds to have me removed, he stated he hoped I was "scared".

By exclusion
When he failed to have me removed as a mod and our channels closed, he began trying to exclude my communities from the trending list via mass down-voting and decided that he'd just try to keep others from commenting in our community and use his troll channel to tell other users not to post here:

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It's really important that we point out that when he failed to get me to obey him, failed to troll me into submission, he started in with the death wishes, death fantasies and death threats (those are on file with the authorities). The alt-left does not tolerate opinions that differ from theirs.

Please do not overlook that he uses different sock accounts/user names to circumvent his sanctions-violating the DISQUS ToS and our community guidelines to stalk and harass me, but expects AND actually demands that I obey him and entertain his trolling or continue to be trolled. The alt-left is manipulative, hateful, conniving liars who will use threats, deception, ultimatums and intimidation in their attempt to control the thoughts, beliefs, and even speech/comments of Christian conservatives. This is not a game. These people are strategic in how they approach targeting, stalking, harassing and trying to destroy Conservative Christians, Christian business owners, Christian places of worship and anyone who stands against their anti-christ agenda. This is one of their new forms of persecution. Watch and pray.

*I intentionally blocked the inappropriate parts of his comments: lies, spam links, profanity, etc. My intent was to show the insanity in their actions, not allow trolls a platform to continue to harass and troll.

Thank you again, AuntiE*TFL (AuntiE*TFL). We have to get the truth out so that others experiencing this form of persecution know whats going on and how to respond. I apologize for the length.

Heliocentric and Captain_Raamsley #fundie reddit.com

[Post title: Who Can Relate?]

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why would you hate gay people? we should advocate for a white atheist society where we accept everyone except more violent cultures than ours

Heliocentric: Homosexuality is violent in its corruption and hostility to children.

That isn't inherent to homosexuality

Captain_Raamsley: Yes it is you dolt. The slope was slipped a long fucking time ago and you cannot deny it.

Faggotry is a perversion and should be treated like one. Catholic pedophile priests who molest young boys? Yeah they started out as simple faggots.

Same with the pedophiliacs of the political elite, they started out as gay/bisexual.

BIackRogue #fundie reddit.com

Why don't the gays get deported because they're the infestation to begin with

You're sick. If you said that to my face I'd kick your ass

The infestation of gays being deported instead of the homophobes makes it easier because america’s composed of 4.5% LGBT while being 60% homophobes meaning that it’s much faster and takes less effort to ship away the termites than the homophobes. Then again I’m not really expecting any of the left to be able to comprehend the numbers and logics I’m proposing here.

We're not an infestation why would you call us that

Because being gay was never supposed to be a thing; men were to be with women and anyone who had trouble with following those guidelines simply isn’t following the reason why we are here: to procreate. And also the reason why gay rights were even a thing was proposed by the same president who fucked up and put America into debt. And personally for me they just blow up the societal standards of masculinity and it disgusts me.

So I should be killed for being something I can't control?

Nono, moved to the island. And for me I believe that therapy works. But the thing about therapy is that the person should be willing to, well, change. Someone can’t go to therapy and come out with a different mindset if they come in stubborn and unwilling to change.

E.W. Jackson #fundie rightwingwatch.org

Right-wing pastor and radio host E.W. Jackson spent most of his “The Awakening” program today ranting and railing against Islam. At one point, Jackson trotted out the favorite Religious Right talking point that Islam is not even a religion but is rather a totalitarian ideology that is entirely incompatible with our laws and our Constitution.

Jackson insisted that, by contrast, Christians “don’t have any difficulty adhering to the laws of the land” — and then proceeded to undermine his entire argument.

“Christians put the law of God above the law of man,” Jackson admitted, insisting that this position could never be a source of conflict because “proper laws are always consistent with God’s law.”

“Our whole legal system is rooted and grounded in Judeo-Christian law,” he said. “Because our laws and mores are rooted and grounded in Christian principles, we don’t have any difficulty, most of the time, adhering to the laws of the land.”

Jackson then managed to completely undercut his own argument as he began to rail against the Supreme Court for refusing to hear a case involving the owner of a bed-and-breakfast who is being sued for refusing, for religious reasons, to rent a room to a lesbian couple.

“Can I just be perfectly blunt?” Jackson said. “Why in the world should Christians who have spent their time, their energy, their money, their prayers to buy a little bitty bed-and-breakfast with three rooms for guests be forced by the law to have two old, big strapping men go up in one of their rooms and have sex? Now that’s disgusting! Or two women? In a place that they probably prayed over and dedicated to God and said, ‘God use this place for your glory, use it bless people and to encourage people and to comfort people and to help people.’ And they put their time, their energy, their money into it and then you’ve got the law come along and say, ‘Yeah, you’ve got to let two homosexuals go into one of those rooms and do whatever they do.'”

“Why should that be forced upon two people, or on anybody, who spent their time, their energy, their money, and their prayers, and their tears to build something that they wanted to be God-glorifying and then have somebody tell them, ‘Well, we don’t care what you built it for, we’re going to force you to have people come in here who will simply defile the place?'” Jackson fumed. “And I said it and I mean it! This will be a defilement of the place that [was] blessed and dedicated to God. And no, it’s not happening!”

Jackson said that “homosexuals basically are trying to intimidate and cow Christians into bowing to their will” before declaring that Christians will give up their lives rather than adhere to any earthly law that violates the laws of God.

“We’re not bowing,” he vowed. “They can do whatever they want to do. We’re not bowing — We Christians are never going to bow down. Never! You’ll have to kill us, but we won’t bow.”

Lady Checkmate #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

Commenting on story "Mother Of 11-Year-Old 'Drag Kid' Who Performed At Gay Bar Says Child Protective Services Showed Up At Her Home" (story here: https://www.dailywire.com/news/44631/mother-11-year-old-drag-kid-who-performed-gay-bar-amanda-prestigiacomo)

Lady Checkmate:
Fyi - Desmond is autistic, his parents are unemployed and his stripping (and possible prostitution) pays his family's/parent's bills. God help us. http://thejewishlady.com/desmond-is-amazing-debacle-child-abuse-exploitation/

Robin Egg:
They determined there were no laws broken. Can you believe that? Of course, it is New York and well........

Lady Checkmate:
It's definitely hard to believe. It kind of reminds me of Justin Berry, but Justin's parents weren't aware of him creating child pornography and prostituting himself to homosexual men. Pedophiles are determined to legalize child-rape. They are grooming that boy to be raped by the same homosexual men that are throwing money at him while he dances and strips for them and the boy's parents are onboard (smh). That child is being constantly exposed to sexually charged men, obscene behavior, and more than likely propositioned regularly by those same men. It's wrong! Shame on them!!! They will all answer to God. A child should not have been dancing and stripping for grown men (NAMBLA members?), grown men who tipped the child money the more risqué his performance.

aCultureWarrior #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

aCultureWarrior:
Perverts have told sexually/gender confused children that they’re born that way and that they can’t change, in fact they’re doing their best to pass laws from keeping loving parents from seeking psychological and spiritual help from trained professionals for their confused child. Being that the major icons of the LGBT movement were pedophiles or pederasts and/or openly supported pedophilia (Harry Hay, Frank Kameny, Harvey Milk, Terry Bean, Ed Murray, Peter Tatchell, etc. etc. etc.) for those of us who have studied your LGBT movement, we see what the final goal is: Keeping the perverse and ever so evil LGBT movement alive as well as the legalization of adult-child sex.

Ian:
I'm sure most homosexuals have spent time with a psychologist during their “confused” or emerging stages and were told eventually that there’s nothing wrong with them, they are simply homosexual. It’s not perverts telling them anything. It’s professionals helping them accept themselves.
And no, there is no group, at least not one that is taken seriously, who wants to see children abused sexually. But now you’ve changed subjects because you’re talking about pedophilia and not homosexuality - two totally different subjects. The list you give above are hardly luminaries in the field of homosexuality.

aCultureWarrior:
Since homosexual/pedophile Frank Kameny and his homosexual associates coerced the American Psychiatric Association into removing homosexuality from it’s list of mental disorders, the vast majority of so-called “therapists” are homosexual affirming, i.e. they won’t help their sexually confused clients find a way out of their homosexual ‘deathstyle’ (in some States, by law they can’t).
As shown, practically all, if not all homosexual icons were/are pedophiles or promoted pedophilia, and the sexualization of children plays a major part of the homosexual agenda.
Adult-child sex is a huge part of the homosexual culture as well. You can’t separate homosexuality and pedophilia because pedophilia in the vast majority of cases is what caused a person’s homosexual desires. Let’s not forget that according to your LGBT movement “You should be allowed to love who you love.”
Oh and Ian, please don’t think that I’m here to convince you of anything, I'm here to expose you so that others will take lawful actions against you and your movements evil ways.

Ian:
Homosexuality is homosexuality. Pedophilia is pedophilia. Find me a single gay rights organization pushing to have children sexually abused. You won’t find any because there aren’t any.

aCultureWarrior:
Atta boy Ian, play the queen of denial like you were taught from reading “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s”. If you need me to show you what aspect of society the homosexual agenda HASN’T permeated, I won’t be able to because they’ve even permeated something as sacred as the Church.
I recently posted in my WHMBR Part 5! thread about how there are pedophiles in the APA’s, one of them being Dutch homosexual/pedophile Theo Sandfort. Let’s not forget that the American Psychiatric Association somewhat recently wanted to remove pedophilia from it’s list of mental disorders and only reneged when conservative watchdog groups exposed them.
‘Gay pride parades’? Can you think of a better venue to indoctrinate children to accepting the ways of perverts?
Drag Queen story time: Children sit in a public library listening to homosexuals dressed up like women talking about all kinds of filth.
I could go on and on by talking about how homosexuals were responsible for legalizing child pornography is Sweden several years back, but I’ve made my point.
Play dumb all that you want Ian, but your movement has been exposed for the child indoctrinators/molesters that they are. BTW, have I mentioned that homosexual activists founded the North American Man Boy Love Association and the UK's Pedophile Information Exchange (P.I.E.)?
They likez em young don’t they Ian?

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David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

One of the biggest lies ever fabricated is the falsehood of Evolution. The only verifiable truth regarding evolution is that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that evolution is true. It's all bogus hypotheses! I am so sick of hearing idiots talk about our cavemen ancestors. Are you that stupid? Really?

I recently heard famed Hollywood actor Will Smith narrate a stupid 2018 National Geographic series called, “ONE STRANGE ROCK.” Here's another episode of this trash. The only “strange rock” is Will Smith's dense head! They guy is a fool. I say that kindly, but with all Biblical authority. Psalms 8:3, “When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained.” The Holy Bible says that God created the earth, moon and stars! In the National Geographic series Will Smith says that two asteroids collided, and that is how the earth and moon formed. These nutty pseudo-scientists actually believe that tiny asteroids, carrying water, repeatedly crashed into the earth for billions of years, and that is how the oceans, lakes and rivers formed. So why doesn't the moon have water? How did the earth and moon become a sphere? I can't believe I'm even trying to figure this insanity out! What lying deceivers!

I understand that there's a good chance Will Smith doesn't believe any of this, he's just getting paid well. Will can't be that retarded! Still, you couldn't pay me a million dollars to help propagate lies. Over my dead body! God knows that if Hollywood offered me a 60 second part in a film, and offered me $50,000,000 for the part, and all I had to do was take the Lord's name in vain one time, I WOULDN'T DO IT! I mean that! Evolution is a proven hoax! The burden of proof doesn't rest upon thinking people who reject the bogus claims of evolutionists, it rests upon the evolutionists themselves who are making these bizarre speculative claims! The truth is that there is no legitimate proof. Anything can help up as “proof” if there is no concrete evidence to support it.

Various commenters #fundie politico.com

Re: I Am an Abortion Rights Activist. I Hope the Supreme Court Overturns Roe v. Wade.

(Dale Pape)
Clearly it's a hot topic amoung politico's leftist readers looking at the comment section not a single legit comment.

Alex I would be careful what you wish for, you might just find in the 21st century the burality of killing babies in the womb might be seen as a bit stonage.

I can only imagin how you would react to some poor litter of kittens being dump on the streets of Detroit .. Oh the horror no doubt but killing a baby human in the womb well thats just fine with your ilk.

(Rob Hruska)

Do you think the State can compel you to give blood transfusions to a stranger, if it is the only way to keep that stranger alive?

Of course you don't. But you think it's OK for the State to compel a woman to do so.

The root of the anti-abortion movement is not about protecting babies (babies whom the Right is happy to throw into cages). The root is about denying women full and equal rights. Full stop. If you really cared about babies, you'd support a) free birth control, b) free pre-natal care, c) free child care and welfare for mothers. But you don't support any of those things, do you.

Wow, that is some twisted logic.

(Stan Olson)
What about the Father's rights? Of course in too many cases the Mother doesn't know who the Father is.

(Tom Genin)
The entire flaw in your logic of "choice" is that the pregnant woman didn't already excercise a number of choices to get to that point, whereas the theoretical blood donor in your scenario had no choice. Moreover, while I'm pro-life, I'm not for elimintinating the right to abortion, but the 20 week cap is reasonable.

Simply put, we as a whole are not evolved enough to value life if we'd ever consider abortion as an option for our personal benefit. That's not a knock on anyone who's made that difficult choice, it's pointing out that unless society as a whole is on the same page with that kind of care and support, you can't condemn the least capable to carry the burden of the aspirations of others.

The simplest test of our own perception is if you see a pregnant teen. The reality is that we don't separate the wonder and value of the creation of life from the act. If you look at that teen and think "how wonderful, another child" without thinking of all of the derogatory things that people may say at the same time, you're in the minority of humanity. That teen's decision on whether to bring the child to term is therefore not just a reflection of her own desires, but a reflection of society as a whole.

We can't legislate that kind of societal change to care for life irrespective of circumstance. Illegal abortions would certainly then happen, and that's not serving anyone or society. Far better to limit it to a reasonable period and aspire that we're all better about providing care for life in the future.

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