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Ethan #fundie forum.myspace.com

[If a child-rapist repents, he'll go to heaven, but if the children he raped become atheist because of the rape, they'll go to hell. How is that justice?]

If the rapist finally came to God after a life of spiritual misery, he earned it.
If the child refused God after a life of spiritual misery, he earned nothing.
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Jesus "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." Enough said. The kid, if he believed in God, would've been comforted by the fact that the man's actions are worthy of hell, only to meet up with the rapist in heaven and work on their emotional relationship.

Ben #fundie forum.myspace.com

[Why can't he plan to have someone aborted?]

Its like this (simple answer, but can get very complex). God does plan abortions. But...its an issue of allowing satan to carry out evil. God himself is incapable of committing evil, but satan is on a leash and is allowed to do things so that Gods ultimate purposes and plans are carried out. Its not like God is wringing his hands in frustration that he cannot thwart satan. Its that Gods canvas of redemptive history is playing out in sync with what he wants to happen. We cannot understand his ways. He will only give just the bare minimum of understanding that we as humans need. And one of the major ways of imparting understanding is through the Bible. But, of course, the Bible is worthless if God doesnt bring the spiritual understanding to the person reading it. Sure, you may glean a little wisdom, but you will not see how it is alive through the spiritual eyes of holiness without God. This is why so many people say the Bible is foolish, fantasy, convoluted, and senseless. God has to open the door to the understanding. Anyway, everything that happens in the universe, down to a single atom, is under Gods hand. He is just using satan to carry out his masterpiece. Yes, you could say "well doesnt that make God sadistic and evil?" My answer is no, it does not. My answer is that God is perfect and does not make mistakes. My answer is that God knows what he is doing and is allowing evil in this world to take place for his secret and revealed purposes.

Ethan #fundie forum.myspace.com

[Obviously, he knows if you'll choose him or satan, so he knows if you'll go to hell or heaven, so why bother creating hell bound souls?]

I don't know biblically, i'm not going to B.S., but my guess is that he's maximizing saved souls w/o incurring the rapture (ending earth, freezing the population of human souls). Even if he creates unsaved souls, God is Just because they made the decision for themselves. WE NEED TO LEARN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS, YOU CHOSE YOUR ACTIONS.

Ben #fundie forum.myspace.com

God does not allow things to pass outside of his will. There is not a randomness to what happens in the world. Sure, we are accountable for what we do, but it doesnt take away the fact that God is still in control. Sounds paradoxical doesnt it? But, its more like "Why is grass green?" It just is. God just is. Gods ways just are. Seems unfair? Nope, God is God and knows what hes doing. This is an aspect of faith. You trust what God is doing even if it seems wrong. Is that foolish? Blind faith? Nope, God gives you so much proof of himself as you grow in your relationship with him, that it is not blind at all. [Emphasis added.]

Joseph #fundie forum.myspace.com

<a href = "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenfly">Scientific proof for the Virgin Birth</a>

What's ironic is that Dawkins mentions this little bug in his book, "The Selfish Gene" on page 46. What makes for the irony is how, on page 16, he points out the Virgin Birth prophecy (Isiah 7:14) as being a mere "scribal error."

I often wonder if he realizes he stuck his foot in his mouth over this. But it does verify the truth in Jesus' teaching, "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." (Matthew 12:37)

Brian #fundie forum.myspace.com

The biggest problem with you is that you can't think with your brain, but only with your uterus. That is why you can only see situations through a very emotional standpoint. Try using your brain for something besides attacks and look at this logically.

Brian #fundie forum.myspace.com

If you really want to look at it in simple terms (which it seems will be the only way you will understand it), the "femi" part should be obvious that it has to do with the women's movenment. The "nazi" part is pointing out that this particular group is ultra-militant... anyone that doesn't agree with them shouldn't be allowed to live. For that matter, it is almost to the point that most think men shouldn't be allowed to live.

[You called me a feminazi yesterday. What did I say that suggested I don't think men should be allowed to live? In what way am I "ultra-militant?"]

You basically said that if we all didn't believe your line of thinking, we were stupid. You also do not want equal rights, you want AT LEAST equal rights with extra benefits where you want them.

Kirik #fundie forum.myspace.com

You Know...if theres one thing in the world I hate more than Homosexuals...it's...well....I guess there's nothing in the world I hate more than Homosexuals. But let's get "STRAIGHT" to the point. God made man and woman...Adam and Eve. If he wanted the world to be gay...he would've chose man and man...Adam and Steve. But thanks to the sheer genius of our god..HALLELUJAH! He chose Adam and Eve. So why is it that some men decided to have affection for his own kind? Why I ask you...did he decide that he wants to put it in another mans Anas? That is a corrupt man I say...A CORRUPT MAN! And it's mine and whoever shall join me's dutie, to RID the world of this EVIL CORRUPTION! Join me in the League of Faggot Slayers and Homo Blasters, "F.S.H.B" to create the worlds latest and greatest Faggot exterminating team! Each member shall be equipped with all the essential faggot slaying items. It is GOD's will to have his rules abided by so let us enforce this!!! Join F.S.H.B and bring justice to our God and to our world!

HARDCOOL (R-WV) #fundie forum.myspace.com

Theres no such thing as gay people, Im tellin ya. Its a falsafied orientation purpetuated by the media and hollywood. How can it be considered a valid sexual orientation when it doesnt do anything to further the human race or anything natural? I believe homosexuality comes about by abuse, or childhood; Choice (i.e. attention whore); Actually retarded but your gay with no relation to sex drive, like the retarded person doesnt differentiate (I unfortunately have a cousin this way by marriage, total moody douche bag loser)

jackie &#9829; #fundie forum.myspace.com

[Responding to the claim that the poster can't know what she'd do if she were faced with the choice of aborting or dying as a result of continuing the pregnancy]

no, i havent been in that situation. my aunt died as a result of not aborting her child. my cousin is now healthy and a wonderful person. do you think for a second my aunt regrets giving up her life so that her child would have one? no, of course not. and neither would i.

Ethan #wingnut forum.myspace.com

[Authoritarian culture commits all of these atrocities against every individual, to randomly varying extents, it's in its structure.]

Authoritarian culture doesn't spoil people, that's why it's so effective.

Bryon(American) #fundie forum.myspace.com

Nearly 50% of all abortions are repeat abortions. These repeat abortions do not represent "satisfied customers." Instead, post-abortion women often seek replacement pregnancies to make up for the aborted child, but find themselves faced with the same social pressures which led to the first abortion. There is also evidence that some women undergo repeat abortions as an act of "self-punishment" or as attempt to "harden" themselves to negative feelings stemming from their first abortion..

Bridget #fundie forum.myspace.com

[This is in response to the Way Of The Master profile being deleted for violating Terms of Service:]

YES!!! We all know who is responsible for this!!! The devil himself of course!!!
Let us all pray that they will get their profile up and running again!

Sincerely, your sister in Christ, Bridget

Taylor #fundie forum.myspace.com

[Quick explanation of how the Grand Canyon formed]

why isn't the grand canyon still growning then

[It is.]

how much a year then Mr. Genius

[1 inch deeper every 200 years]

well the earth is sinfull and decaying just like me and you

Lindzie #fundie forum.myspace.com

"The choice should be out there

Not everyone is a christian honey. Should non-christians have to live by your morals at the expense of themselves?"

I am not ignorant becuase i am christian, i know that non belivers want abortions, but i am a beliver and i am called to be strong in my faith and to abide by the bible and obey God COMPLEATLY, so i will do just that. I am sorry if I offened you but this is no place to bring anger and negativity. People are not dumb they know sex gets you pregnant, they need to deal with the consiquences of thier actions, and not by killing innocent peole becuase it makes thier life eaiser. " at the expence of themselves" that sounds funny seeing how they dont want to die themselves but with rip out and throw away another human being. Women have choices, to use protection, to not have sex or to give the children up to families who can support and love the children. That is the choice. If going by your theory then people should have the choice to kill anyone, not just fetus's.

Graham (L-PA) #racist forum.myspace.com

[A "libertarian" argues for deporting illegal immigrants even if they're raising children who are citizens]

would you consider it a selfish act to move illegally to a country you might get deported from soley to increase your own income and living standards- and then have kids?
A LOT of kids?

what a shitty thing to do, from the childrens' perspective

Ethan #fundie forum.myspace.com

(I wonder what I'm going to tell Him when he asks what I did to stop the genocide in Rwanda, or Darfur, or anywhere else for that matter. I'm gonna ask Him what I should've done to make people stop spending their money on abortion ads that change nothing, and how to make people stop wasting their time arguing instead of helping people. Fortunately Jesus will love me anyways.)

Jesus asks the questions, not the other way around. Your arrogance proceeds you.

It Wasnt nails that hung Him to the cross... #fundie forum.myspace.com

Abortion is murder, no matter what.
It does not matter what the kid may have when he or she is born, the point is that he or she will have a CHANCE at living a life.
A family in my church had a baby a few years ago, and the doctors told them to abort him, telling them that he wasnt going to live when he was born. The told the doctor that they would NEVER do anything like that because God gave them that baby, therefore God wanted them to have that baby.
Guess what?? The doctor's were wrong, when he was born, he didnt die. He had open heart surgery almost emediatly after his birth. He is now two and a half, and is living a great and happy life.
Abortion is murder, God wouldnt have given you a baby if he wanted you to just go and kill him or her. A baby is a gift from God, why must people think it is OK to kill God's gifts??
I disagree with you when you said some things may be necessary, abortion is NEVER necessary.

Richard #fundie forum.myspace.com

[Arguing that wiretapping is not searching.]

They aren't searching. It is the equivelent of some over hearing a conversation. If I heard someone on the phone saying things that I thought were suspicious I would report it. It's the same thing.

Richard #fundie forum.myspace.com

[After defending torture, warrantless wiretapping and asserting that there's no Constitutional guarantee of privacy. I told him to go read amendments 4, 5, and 8]

I major in the Constitution. I'm a Constitutional scholar. You are out of your league here. The fourth is the right to bear arms. The fifth can apply to this but wiretapping has been perscribed by law. Eigth is the right to a fair and speedy trial and also does not apply in this case.

Alex #fundie forum.myspace.com

OK no comments on it being illegal, it isnt illegal because congress says so and wont be unconstitutional until the supreme court says so. that aside why are you for or aganist it (im guessing were gonna see a lot of aganist so ill say the for side)

there is no "right to privacy" in the constitution so it can not violate our "right to privacy" there is a right aganist unlawful search and seizure, but that relates more to personal being, wire tapping is no different then an informant overhearing something in the bar. not to mention why does anyone really care if the feds are listening? its not an actual person doing the listening but a machine and the records arnt made public unless you are convicted of being a terrorist.

Jo-mama #fundie forum.myspace.com

The unborn dont care about arguments - they just want to live.

[And how do you know this? What makes you think that an unborn child even knows it is alive?]

So you are saying the unborn would like to be torn out of the mother's womb?

Children are egocentric - they care about themselves. You dont have to ask the unborn if it wants to live or die. Life is a God-given miracle. Are you saying a child could wish to die? C'mon, that's rediculous. The unborn may not know - but the 5yr old knows, the teenager knows, the adult knows. They are all the same person.

How can a mother live with herself after she has her baby hacked out of her body?

Gat #fundie forum.myspace.com

an abortion is "the killing" of a baby its been medically proven that a baby is a baby at conception. and if u dont believe that well then look at this. its definitley a baby at 6 weeks. by then the baby has a heart that has measuerable heart beat and a brain that produces brain waves. 78 % of abortions dont happen to after the 6th week. God deosnt want this so either should any TRUE CHRISTIAN!!!

Thankful For Life #fundie forum.myspace.com

abortion is murder, it says so in the bible, i know it does, somewhere, and i will find it! because you're probably not going to look it up yourself, but it is murder, no pregnancy is a mistake, how would you like it if someone aborted you? yeah you wouldn't be here, but if you could commicate in some scary and weird way, then you'd think abortion is wrong. you can have sex, but if you don't want kids, then you should probably be smart enough to have sex around the time when you're most likely not going to get pregnant like right after your period, or maybe you could use a condom? hey a lot of people do, but if you do get pregnant, it shouldn't be the baby's fault, it's your fault, you know and it shouldn't even be like that, you should be so happy, you now have something else to live for in this crazy world.

Michael Flowers #fundie forum.myspace.com

I think there are a lot more cases of people being agnostic or atheistic, but then getting off drugs in order to become Christians. I don't know any Christians who actually do drugs. That to me seems like more of an escape from reality that non-religious folk tend to get into.

It would take a lot of drugs to convince me that I could know anything about myself and the world by being an atheist. It would also take a lot of drugs to convince me, if I were an atheist, that morality had more meaning than the indigestion I felt when I drank bad water in Mexico.

lauraashley #fundie forum.myspace.com

ok....the KJV is the original writen by gods chosen people, and the NIV, NKJV, ect...was writin by lesbians, taking the word soldomite, i know my spelling is wrong, they took out the word, jesus and god alot of time, and you can to research on the internet easily for more info...

Chrissy #fundie forum.myspace.com

[What makes you think that an unborn child even knows it is alive?]

That's a ridiculous question... whether or not the child 'knows' it is alive, does not matter. When you were just beginning to form in your mother's womb, I'm sure you had a will to live as well.

Thankful For Life #fundie forum.myspace.com

(Exodus 21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

Causing a miscarraige is not equivalent to murder or manslaughter.

Only infants over two months old were counted in the census.)

that's not the quote, abortion is murder, sorry i don't memorize the bible by heart, i don't care what you put, abortion is murder, it's stupid, it's selfish, oh here's one more thing, everything that in Exodus 21:22 and the stuff that follows is all changed by Jesus, abortion is murder dude

CaityBoBaity™ [JesusFreak] #fundie forum.myspace.com

When I read things, or hear things of people disrespecting God, making jokes about him, or just saying plain nasty things about him. I can't help but clench my teeth and just want to sock the person out! I can't help but judge them. I think "how could they have the GUTS to disrespect my father so much". I get so angry inside! I just want to scream at them and slap some sense into them!

And I know I'm not suppost to judge, but how can't I when they disrespect the person I love most in my life?!

\\,,/Jesus_Freak86\\,,/ #fundie forum.myspace.com

Homeschooling stinken rocks, no pot dealers, no people picking on you, no morons. On top of all that you get to learn at your own pace rather then the pace of the slowest kid in class. So instead of spending a whole semester of basic math we get about a week of reveiw and then learn new stuff(yay!!) Plus you dont have to listen to the teacher condemn Creation but say evolution is real.

Bill #homophobia forum.myspace.com

All American citizens have certain rights because they are American citizens. Nobody I know of is trying to strip homosexuals or adulterers or liars of their citizenship, right to vote, right to own property, right to a trial by jury if accused of a crime, or any other legal right given to all adult Americans.

Homosexuals shouldn't have extra rights simply because they're homosexuals. They have no right to marry to each other. Cultures around the world for thousands of years only give men and women the right to marry. Two men shouldn't be allowed to marry each other any more than a man should be able to marry his dog or his sister.

Chrissy #fundie forum.myspace.com

(dont compare being gay to commiting a felony it's not the same they do not do anything wrong in the eyes of the government they are really good people usually so why should the government deny the marriage and dont base your awnser on some religious reason because are country is not based on christianity)

You completely missed my point with the felony thing. My father can't vote, therefore gay people have more rights than him. I was comparing the two to say that gay people have more human rights than felons do, and felons are the only citizens in this country to not have all of their rights. I'mnot saying gay people are like felons, try looking in between the lines dude. The country actually was based on religion, when Christopher Columbus came over because they wanted freedom of religion... I never said that our country was founded on anything... BUT we should deny gay marriage because it is a union between a man and a woman, it says so in the Bible. If you choose to be gay, you are also choosing a lifestyle, one that this country doesn't allow marriage or adoption.

Chrissy #fundie forum.myspace.com

I agree with Jo, they have human rights that are the same as anyone else. No one denies gay people anything unless it's marriage-related. It's understandable why gay people can't adopt, every child needs a mother and father if given the opportunity.. instead of having to be ridiculed by ignorant people all throughout their childhood for having gay parents. Gay people have more rights than my father does, he can't even vote all because of a non-violent felony from when he was younger. No one has tried telling gay people they can't vote... THEN our country would be denying them their human rights.

Jo-Mama, Mrs. Citizen, Chrissy #fundie forum.myspace.com

[A fourteen year old discusses her abusive father, gets loads of crap from Christians:"He's hit me, and done nothing, while I was crying, but say, sorry rachel, and do nothing else, he's called me fat because me and my older sister were joking around about my weight, he said "it was for my own protection", that time, he made me go from laughing to crying. he FAVORS my little sister, that's right a "christian" man who favors???!!?"]

Mrs. Citizen :):
From what I got from from this, is a father who is trying his best.
[...]
and you are a christian girl who seems to hate? No one is perfect, forgiveness is key, I am not saying you have to spend time with him, just respect him and forgive his actions. Hate's a burden, and it hurts both of you.
[...]
Once again, Im not trying to be rude, but you need to look at yourself. You are being awefully self-righteous. People make mistakes, People sin.

Chrissy: I don't mean to be condescending in any kind of way, but at your young age, it's hard to understand the reasons behind why your father says or does things that are in your best interest. He has personal struggles he goes through, that you might not be clued in on. I'd suggest trying to have a more open and relaxed relationship with your dad, it sounds like you're always on edge around him.

Jo-Mama: Sorry but I dont believe everything you are telling us. There is something really wrong with your story.

I have a problem with you ripping your father apart to pieces. The way you describe him - he's the devil himself, and that's where you lose credibility.

I think you need to be more honest here.

Dr. Fran Young #fundie forum.myspace.com

There is NO acceptance or approval of sin...and we can regard those caught up in homosexuality as deceived(just like all other sinners)...The problem with all this is that since drinking is"legal", and "gambling" and other things that lead to sin, the people who dont understand the sublety of satan, think that "unions" between homosexual couples will cut down the flourishing of the lifestyle and its influence. The problem is this...it is a cancer in society...the worse because God created societies to work with the one- man -one woman concept to propagate the races and create communities...Satan is deceiving the masses...but God wants us to pray, live holy lives, and stay out of the muck of those who would insist on changing God's rules...pray, love, and live holy lives...

Jessica #fundie forum.myspace.com

[The Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid.]

To be honest I actually support the Hyde Amendment because women need to take responsibility for their own bodies and shouldn't ask the government for assistance in that regard. Plus it proves that many pro-choicers are blatantly hypocritical

Mr. Fishy #fundie forum.myspace.com

(An insane analogy involving abortion and murder)

So a person strangles another man, goes and does drugs, and then rapes a woman. Is that legal? NO. But should it be. Because, if he's going to do that anyways, shouldn't it be legal so he can do it in the safest manner.

You see, you that logic on anything other than abortion, and it falls apart.

Yes abortion is murder. In EVERY case. I don't care if the woman was raped. Life sucks, get over it. Just because something ridiculously bad happened to her doesn't mean that she has the right to kill her own child. And if she can't support it, then adoption is a much better choice than killing it.

You see, it is a piece of flesh. And prematurely birthed babies (i mean by a few months even) have been able to survive on occasions, proving that it can be "independent" (they do need machines and constant medical attention until nine months). But, is a child independent once it is born. No. Leave a child by itself, and it will not survive. It still needs its mother.

As to it being the mothers "choice, " because its her "body, " well, um, no, it's the baby's body. Look it up, see some pictures of it. There is a completely seperate body with its own organs in her uterus.

But of course it is her choice in the end. But, its her choice in the same way it was that man's choice earlier to kill, do drugs, and rape. Seriously, come on.

Jo-mama #fundie forum.myspace.com

The problem with going along with gay marriages with no children is that once those are allowed, then the gay groups will demand all gay marriages be accepted. Then I will have a problem with gays denying kids a mom and a dad. The kids have a right to a mom and a dad - you could never have that with a gay marriage. Why do gay couples want to deny a child such a basic right?

Captain Planet '08 :) #homophobia #fundie forum.myspace.com

[on why homosexuality is wrong and not natural]

When two guy's have sex they can only penetrate eachother through the crack which I think is disgusting because of all the crap that's in there. They both must face the same direction and thus one guy's twig and berries will be projecting from the two. Because no man has a vagina they can't become one flesh when having normal sex.

Women don't have Jimmy and his two buddies hanging around so they can't naturally penetrate eachother and become one flesh.

Oral with dudes can't be natural because the legs will be poking out from different directions as will the ladies if they participate in oral sex.

Oral with the opposite sex still isn't natural because you still have the leg issue and often someone is further down if they are not on top of eachother.

Anal with opposites is still excluded from natural sex because once again your are sticking your think in a crap hole and a womans tits are usually projecting outward.

When the Bible is speaking of becoming one flesh it literally means that there is nothing sticking out in the clear and that the man and woman are facing eachother. Face to Face.

Hot Chocolate #fundie forum.myspace.com

[Yo, HC -- Biology is only one of numerous fields of science that have something to say about human sexuality. There you will find, and I think ultimately agree, that sex (sexual instinct, libido) is about much MUCH more than mere human reproduction.]

Psychology and sociology are both subjective fields. These fields are similar to science because they are made of theories, and philosophies. The difference between the science fields and the sociology fields is that sociology is entirely made up of theories. Psychology by the way is a mixture of science and theories.

Keep in mind that both of the fields you mention back up the fact that sex is for the purpose of reproduction. Psychology explains how chemicals and hormones in the body and brain gets the human male and female bodies ready for intercourse and possible child birth. Sociology basically explains the same theory that I have mention before, which is that human beings around the world use sex for different reasons despite its role and purpose in nature.

jesse #fundie forum.myspace.com

freedom of religion... a religion is any story(s) that explain the origin of man. what are we teaching the youth of america in our public schools about origins? we are teaching them about evolution... which, i mite say is a joke, because ther is no solid evidence supporting a big BANG or primape ancestors.if we can teach children that religion in schools, than why can we not teach them about creation, as it is explained in the bible? if you want to talk about a theocracy, than we can talk about america... although we say it isnt true, we are a nation controlled by theories of evolution. eg, praying in school has been outlawed in many forms, yet the very text books we rely on for the truth are teaching us that we came from a form of 'goo'! who has the power there, the "religious people"? or those who disregard the truth of god and substitute ther own?

grunge #fundie forum.myspace.com

[As part of a larger argument that women who are more than 20 weeks pregnant should be forced to give birth prematurely or have C-sections if the father wants a kid.]

A woman can easily deliver a foetus at 20 weeks, the head is collapsed to make it easier.

Incorect #fundie forum.myspace.com

The gov't can endorse religion, it can't force religion. You say, well if its tax payer dollars buying the bibles, then the gov't is endorsing the religion, true, but perfectly ok. Think of this.

A. If a gov't builds, or repairs a road that leads to a church, did they endorse the church? The church did benefit from the gov't funding that was used on the road. How is that different then buying bibles?

B. If a church uses the post office to send letters to people, is our post office, which is a gov't service endorsing them? You could say no, they are paying to send their own letters. The truth however is that the post office if funded by tax dollars, even if you pay for your stamp, you are really just paying a tax based on consumption. Not that terribly different then a sales tax.

Most people would think those above examples are perfectly fine. They really aren't any different. The road doesn't make anyone go to the church, but it might improve turnout nontheless. Handing out bibles doesn't make anyone a christian, or make them go to church either.

LJ #fundie forum.myspace.com

[I'm a witch]

you know its funny cause i have never heard in the news about people casting fireballs or anything else i dont understand why you would believe in something that just cant happen i dont mean to be mean but im just currious have you ever cast any spells that actually worked and when they fail repeatedly what makes you keep going on because when i pray to god and things happen it gives me faith but if i kept trying to pray and get things done and none of my prayers are ever answered i would definitly lose faith

jonplan #fundie forum.myspace.com

Alright, most people say "WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER GONE TO WAR" look at the dumbass cliton you dems love so much you kno what hes the one who made the planes fly into the towers...he went to Basnia over in Iraq and caused so much shit, if you have ever seen blackhawk down then thats what it is. We went there cuz the governmet there were awful to there ppl. now are we suppose to be the worlds police or something? NO! that was a bad choice by cliton. so now we got all this lil terrorist pissed off and so they flew planes into the towers. now choose A: go to war a shuve a boot up the middle eastes ass or B: forget about the whole thing and have the terrorist win and go to bed knowing we could be bombed with WMD bombs anymoment.

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