Man is depraived! Completely depraived. Left to our own devices we seek our own needs even at the expense of others. What drives us to reach out and help others? Why do we give to the poor? There is certainly NOTHING Darwinian in helping others. It is by the grace of the Holy Spirit the we feel the twinge of our conscience (which is the Holy Spirit) helping us feel/express compassion, forgiveness, love.
Science is: testable, repeatable, observable.
now that you know what science is you tell me which of the two fit.
1. dogs birth dogs, fish birth fish, humans bith humans, ect.
or
2. dinosaurs birth birds, monkeys birth humans, ect.
You don't need to be brilliant to know that when your wife is pregnant she is going to have a human baby. Not even an atheist evolutionist is foolish enough to expect any thing else. Ask Dick Dawkins if he thinks a the hospital prepares for any other species to be born when a pregnant woman enters. It makes great speculative chat and sells books but in reality when the doctors go to work they don't think twice as to what comes from mom.
Humans giving birth to humans is a testable, repeatable, and observable fact of nature. so why make a theory up to say it happens any other way?
There're so many deterministic sciences (and arts and trades) out there for students to learn, why would TE be taught or a student choses TE?
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Why TE shouldn't be taught in high school:
1) TE doesn't lend to lab experiment
2) TE is tautology
3) TE is not causal
4) TE is not useful in real life
5) TE is amoral, or can lead to amorality (anything goes kind of mentality)
6) TE may reduce creativity
7) TE language is full of "could" "may"
8) Prerequisites: statistics and probabilities.
9) TE is contrary to every day observations (cat begets cats, cars are made, houses are built)
I know quite a bit about evolution through studies, and it is remarkable to me that it is even a debate. The DNA and chromosome structure of a human being is so complex to think that a monkey evolved into a human is absurd. We have trillions of DNA cells vs. what a monkey carries. We have a spirit and a conscience which clearly animals do not have. That is God-given to humans so that we can connect with God.
I understand humanity is an evolving species made from the seeds of several civilizations (star seeds). Yes, our DNA has been manipulated several times. Not from a God out there, as we all are a part of Source. I in fact have scribed a book on all of this through the process of interdimensional communication. It is not religion! However, we are spiritual beings because we are made up of spirit, energy into matter. We are now finding that our perceptions are being shaken to bring in the higher teachings and knowledge of this universe(s). Once we know the truth of our beingness, we will be set free from limitation. I am finding that there is so much more to us and our creations than we now perceive. My book is called Mystery of the Universes, available through Amazon. There are 80 writings within this book and they cover history, genetics, biology, cosmology, and spirituality. These writings are quite esoteric and I am almost finished putting together a companion workbook that helps one understand these higher teachings.
I do feel that religion has had control over some of these teachings to keep mankind in control. It is now time to loosen these controls. There has been a lot of manipulation going on through the religions as well as through the governments. Keep in mind that even reading the ancient writings, we need to know what the perceptions were of those writing the documents. We all perceive our lives differently and that is what makes life so interesting.
[If I've been "intelligently" designed, then why are my digestive and respiratory intakes linked? If a designer had avoided this, many fewer choking deaths would have occured over the years. ]
Why don't YOU design a plan to separate the digestive and respiratory paths, and then have a plastic surgeon work the plan on yourself. Then, when you have healed up, please tell us all about it.
Excuse me, I do get your point. That's why the idea of Big Bang exists, so it doesn't have to deal with the fossil record or any other record of slow evolution. You seem to miss my point sir. And the multiple exclamation points are not necessary.
The big bang consists of things evolving in big leaps as opposed to smaller ones instead. So the fossil record isn't needed in the big bang theory, and therefore isn't dealt with. It doesn't need to be. I don't appreciate your rudeness at all.
Where is the actual data and proof and evidence that says the very first moment of our universe is billions of years old? Who actually said "I have proof that this universe is billions of years old"? WHat scientific data makes this valid?
Ship all the Muslims out; give them their choice of Muslim paradise to spend their lives. Allah can take care of them, with a side order of Mohammed.
I've learned that liberal, evolution worshiping, global warming, Al Gore anal sucking jerks have a lot of words to say, but little of it is substantive. I try to be brief with my unsubstantive words.
The zeal by which you pricks attack scientists involved with ID shows without a doubt that your religion is EVOLUTION. It is obviously more than a science (if it is at all a science) to you. It is a way of life, held dear to your heart, sort of like Muslims but without the personal explosive devices.
[I don't know any scientist who prays to Charles Darwin.]
That is exactly the point. YOU do not know any, but they are out there.
Of course I group TE into the category of non-essential, fuzzy type of class. I have no issue with TE as mutation but as macroevolution that it's often illustrated in books with morphing of cell to fish to mammal to man. To me at this point it's not proven until scientist can create a first living cell from chemicals and energy, and it's materially not useful, yet spiritually harmful. Scientific methods can be taught without TE. If some says creation shouldn't be taught in school then I'll suggest they don't tell fairy tales to their children, let them read Harry Potter, celebrate Christmas or Easter, or Halloween etc...anything that is not real or proven.
[to a poster who asked for the numbers behind his assertion that the odds of life evolving with no intelligent intervention were essentially zero]
I'm glad your curious mind was attracted by my theory of infinitesimal odds of nature. Hey, it's a theory based on evidence verified by extensive calculations using well-proven formula of stochastic statistics, among other branches of mathematics, and data from gene sequencing work of genetics scientists, data from the Hubble telescope, data from radio-telescopes thru-out the earth, data from human population around the earth, and best of all, data collected from the billion web sites, stored in millions of servers that Google Corp. has graciously provided access. It's repeatable and falsifiable and it has predictive power, and all the other properties a science ought to possess.
Given the sheer volume of data and the advanced level of mathematics that is understood by less than 0.00001% of scientists, I'm not going to annoy people on this forum with a comprehensive therefore lengthy essay.
the only reason that evolution has run away from abiogenesis is that it is such a blow against evolution. either God created life, or it evolved on its own from self-replicating molecules....if life couldn't evolve from self-replicating molecules, then why should anyone believe that life evolves now?
You completely miss the point by asking for evidence: Faith IS the Answer. When I have faith in an afterlife and when I die there actually is an afterlife: I WIN! If you don't accept faith you have NO CHANCE of winning! Exactly like not buying the lottery ticket.
Craig Venter group is in a position to create many new species via gene splicing. They even applied for patents for the processes.
With intelligent input, new species don't take 3.5Ba to create new species.
If Craig's scientists can create new species, so could God.
Creationists are right after all.
10 of 34 people found the following review helpful:
This book makes the point of a well deserved spanking, July 29, 1999
Reviewer: A reader
When I read this book last march my son was slipping horribly in school. My son is 17 years old and graduated with flying colors from his Junior year (a 98 on one of his Regents exams!). When he was little and acted up (through grade 6) down the pants came and over the knee he went. But I faulsly belived that after that he was beyond the "spanking age." When I read this book I learned that my son needed help and I had to give it to him. He had failed or came close too, most of his finals and was in bad shape (never listened, always late, smoking, drinking) and I couldn't bare to see him bomb like that. So, one night he came home 4 hours late, I learned that he had failed 2 tests and had been smoking again. I grounded him. He threw a fit and after a bit of a screeming match I pulled over a kitchen table chair, grabbed my sons wrist, yanked down his pants and spanked him. I spanked him for a half an hour. His bottom was as red as an apple. I kept him there over my knee and explained the rules. He agreed. Of course a few other spankings followed and may still follow, but he's doing much better with the spankings. And I have this book to thank.
Athiests think they are the most "open minded" of men, and that those who have any faith are old fashioned and close minded. They fail to see that they are the close minded ones, not accepting what the overwhelming majority of humans have believed for the many thousand years they have been around. Athiests go against human nature. They are like anorexics, who refuse to take part in what would keep them alive. Religion (yes, religion, not just a belief in God) is a need, it cannot be dispensed. We need it like we need air, food, and water.
Practically, TE doesn't do the average Joe any good, on the contrary, many bad effects.
TE doesn't help make a society any more moral when "survival of the fittest" is motto. It turns many men into animals, possibly worse than animals.
Animals don't kill their own kind most of the times. Men do.
Animals don't keep their own kind as slaves. Men do. And pimps.
Popular religions have little effects on their followers, maybe because of superficial knowledge of "holy book" of their followers.
If Muslim read their book critically they would stop being Muslim.
If "Christians" read the bible deeply, they'd find its truths.
History and science and arecheological finds prove the Bible and there are over 15,000 documents attesting to Jesus existence more than any figure ever to exist so don't throw that evidence at me when it works completely against you.
Jesus offends non-believers for the same reason they are offended by puppies, young children, and baby kittens. Because they are so full of hatred that they can no longer think clearly.
[Which god? Humans have worshiped thousands of different ones.]
Almighty God Jehovah, creator of Heaven and Earth. There are no other gods, unless you like to make them up.
[So you don't consider burning heretics to death to be barbaric?]
In what way ?
In secular public schools, history is taught from a godless perspective. Events in history are not explained as miracles or interventions of gods. The course of history is not described as the expression of divine will and leading to the culmination of any divine plans. Instead, events in history are described as the actions of humans; the course of history is described as the outgrowth of human actions and human institutions.
Words are easy to put together forming a nonesense story. The famous proto-whalepig has no chance of evolving into a whale because
1) supposed it had some random genetic mutation, which we know is rare, the passing a beneficial trait involves its survival given its many predators on earth, and that together with the pig with which it mates, some piglet, among the dozen or so born, inherits the trait. A reasonable person would say that is another rare event.
2) So the 2nd generation proto-whalepiglet also likes water and go swim in the lake or ocean. It could be easily serve as food to big fish and sharks.
3) it's hard to imagine any female proto-whalepig would give birth in water to aquatic proto-whalepiglets, no matter how many eons fly by. Propagation of any new trait requires large number. Predators abound, ready to eat those whalepiglets if there were any, really.
4) As in Seelke's experiment with E.Coli, a new function that requires two mutations didn't happen with trillions of bacteria. Yet there are many new functions needed for proto-whalepigs to become more whalelike, such as developing sonar for their navigation.
5) We can hardly imagine all the steps of mutations to turn whalepigs more into whale. None has been observed. It's something beyond imagination.
How long would it take to evolve a human body, or a monkey for that matter, by chance? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years? Poof, we got our monkey by chance, with all its systems, organs and limbs that just pop out of no where, it can see, hear, feel, walk and climb trees, how long would that "by chance" creation take to get to that point? How long would it even live? In order to get more monkeys, more "by chance" evolution has to take place, since it cant reproduce by itself, which means another thousands and thousands of years. What happens to that one organism that happened by chance, twiddle its thumbs until another one evolves? I mean before it can even reproduce another "by chance" monkey would need to evolve, right?
[Evolution has nothing to do with faith as has been pointed out to you many times together with REAL evidence. ]
you can say it as often as you want, but actions speak far louder than words. the rabid efforts of darwiniacs to silence all who disagree show that its a faith. Evolution has a worldview, no sin, no need for a god, no need for a savior, no morals, etc...
evolution is a theology of philosphical materialism. The regular denouncements of God by evolutionists is more proof of the faith of evolution.
Just take a look at the past 1,000 years and how far we have come. Did evolution speed up to the point that it just doesnt exist anymore? Where is the evolution today? Why arent monkeys turning into humans today? Its because it never happened.
[Speciation has been observed: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html]
This is all about semantics - it depends on your definition of species. A Lion and Tiger can mate and create a Liger. "Wow! We have a new species!" the evolutionists say.
it is the intention of evolutionists to enforce materialism upon everyone, and they sue, harass, and intimidate all who dare disagree.
No, your imprecise understanding of choosing antibiotic regimens is simply false and has nothing to do with the ridiculous kind of evolution that is believed in by die hards. Not only of this but you hold uninformed opinions about ID and TE itself. To understand TE is to reject it. Anyone who accpets it doesn't really undertsand it, they just trust to chicanery and wildly subjective interpretations and at times pure fantasy.
How and why did a head case for the brain develop that obviously plays such a pivotal protective role, as a sort of helmet for the brain?
How did/could it develop accidentally and turn out shaped so perfectly around the brain(when something less perfect would have worked just fine I suppose) and not some odder shape since according to the myth of evolution it could not have been designed specifically for the brain?
[On a book that advocates child abuse - spanking the child until the child whimpers and forcing certain external 'attitudes' (making the child smile whether the child wants to or not), etc. etc.]
Lessin does an excellent job of of covering all aspects of biblically based discipline of children. A "must read" written for real Christians who have not fallen for Satans anti-spanking and anti-family agenda. With very little child raising literature available to Godly parents, Lessin's book is a blessing.
4 of 10 people found the following review helpful:
Nothing stays a secret forever, January 15, 2003
Reviewer: A reader
An excellent book written by a brave and fearless jewish author, who has the guts to reveal what many historians have known for a long time, and that is the so-called "Diary Of Anne Frank" is a monumental hoax written by her father for financial gain and holocaust propaganda purposes. This should be an eye-opener for those still believing the gas chamber fables, babies boiled down into soap, six million jews gassed, and human-skin lamp shades fairy tales. I would give the book ten stars if possible. Just to set the record straight, the ADL and their fellow tribesmen absolutely refuse to take part in an open, televised debate on the wild tales of the so-called holocaust, which has reaped them multiple BILLIONS for their Zionist cohorts, even when offered large sums of money to appear. And to think they can brain-wash our kids in school with this tripe. Oh, yes, I know...I'm a nasty "Nazi" or so-called "anti-Semite for refusing to be lobotomized by skilled soothsayers.
Watch out, parents!
46 of 120 people found the following review helpful:
Watch out, parents!, June 7, 2001
Reviewer: A reader
Parents beware and caretakers beware! This is a book highly endorsed by Planned Parenthood, geared for 10-year-olds?? The contents of this book should be considered "taking the rights of parents and giving them to Planned Parenthood and liberal activitists." There is no way a 10-year-old should know about homosexuality, abortion, promiscuity, condoms, erections, and injestion of semen. If a 10-year-old is asking questions about injestion of semen, they should be referred for child abuse counseling. If this book is in your schools, get it out. If you're afraid of Joe Camel for influencing your kids on smoking, you should be terrified of this book for your kids for "acceptable" sexual behavior.
I believe that the USA got so immoral and screwed up in the last 50 odd years because previous generations were fooled by the lies of the Left, like "Separation of Church and State," which is NOT in our US Constitution, and is actually a devilish way of saying "Separation of God from Country!" Do you want that? I don't. Nobody will wish they wanted it about 1 second after we die, when some will end up in Heaven for trusting in Jesus, and the rest will be on fire forever, as the Bible warns.
I don't know what the other people who have negatively reviewed this game are talking about. Jesus loves me, apparently unlike some other Christians who left reviews here. After I heard about this game I prayed and won the pick 4 lotto the same day. That allowed me to build a kicking system that could play this game. Seriously, my PC is worth more than my stepdad's trailer home. My theory is to not bother Jesus all the time unless you really really want something. What I really really wanted was a chance to virtually blow away some non-believers without all the messy real world consequences.
Man did this game deliver! I'm seriously thinking about holding back a bit on my religious views just so I get "left behind" for real during the rapture. A little white lie here, a bit of fornication there and I should be good to not go. All those people that get taken right to heaven are going to miss out on some serious guilt-free [...]-kicking of people who haven't embraced Jesus's message of love, faith and peace.
"I don't give a rat's back side about scientific fact. I do care about my eternal soul. Just for the record, I'm a science teacher, and I still believe that God (HE) created all that is, and He is responsible for all that ever shall be.
I have a life and a family. People who debate never do anything except debate. So sit in your lofty heights and continue to delude yourselves that you are greater than and smarter than the rest of us. As for me, I won't waste my efforts on those who are so jaded by their own conceit as some of you are."
[Note - the poster Cyndi K was taking the evolution side in an ID v. evolution discussion]
Nephilim Cyndi K,
That is exactly how it is!
For you to be a professed bible-reading, bible-promoting believer, you sure do have anti-christian, anti-bible, anti-faith beliefs.
Dark Spirit Cyndi K your hindering efforts are null void and each discussion and thread that you post and participate in you and those like you are revealing yourselves.
AJ and Everyone, Cyndi K and others here are hindering spirits do not engage in discourse with her/them for their mission is to create chaos, discontention and distractions from the Word of God and the 2nd Coming of Christ.
This post is not intended for any one in particular, but I just had to post in order to express my deep dismay at the vast ignorance there is out there regarding the Bible. First of all don't forget it is the Word of God and inspired by the Holy Spirit. There for I will never listen to someone who attempts to "prove" how the Bible is "eroneous" or "contradictory". These are people who are lost yet in there sins and are going no where but to hell of their own free will. I pray that God in his lovingkindeness will have mercy on them before it is to late. And while you all are trying to find a justification for your sins within your supposed " inconsitencys" of the Bible let me reminde you that on the Great Jugdment Day there will be NO excuse before the Almighty God who will not have mercy on that day but will tell them "Depart from me, you workers of iniquity!" I ask you, Do you want to be a part of that crowd? No? Then take the Bible up, Read it from the fist to the last page and believe every word as a three year old would believe his parents. Don't text and context it. Don't run it through the filters of theology and philosophy; you won't have much left.Don't run it through your common sense, it will explain it's self. Dont demand God to prove it; in due time he will. Read it. Believe it. Feed upon it. Take it unto yourself for it is life. The Word of God is the ONLY way to heaven for the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
You atheists are not only outright liars but you are also the vilest creatures on earth. And the fact that amazon.com is ruled by the atheist agenda is merely further proof of it.
[Amazon Review of "Steve Allen on the Bible, Religion, and Morality"]
Has he not read Phillip Johnson, William Dembski, Michael Behe, Michael Denton, and others?.... He denies all essential doctrine of the Bible: a recent creation, the fall, the flood, the dispersion of mankind from Babel as a result of the confusion of language, the Messiah, who Jesus was/is, the diety of Christ, His death on the cross, His resurrection, things to come, all of it! [...]
His mind is really closed, something he frequently accuses others of being. If I had this book dirtying up my library, it would be there as an outstanding example of narrow-minded ignorance, faulty logic and reasoning, and plain dishonesty. He knows nothing of true science....
The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11. — In faulting the cultural left, I am not making the absurd accusation that this group blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. I am saying that the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the nonprofit sector, and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world. The Muslims who carried out the 9/11 attacks were the product of this visceral rage—some of it based on legitimate concerns, some of it based on wrongful prejudice, but all of it fueled and encouraged by the cultural left. Thus without the cultural left, 9/11 would not have happened.
[Reviewing Charles Darwin's "Origin of Species".]
This is a foundational work which started the whole Evolution landslide. Anyone who truly wishes to debate, refute, or otherwise understand the theory should read it carefully. Just as one should read carefuly, and critically those foundational works on Creation Science (A real science) and Intelligent Design (A true Scientific Theory).
It's unbelievable the amount of faith an evolutionist has to have to believe we were all created from molten lava millions of years ago. If you blew up a pile of bricks, would it form into a building if you gave it enough time to evolve? That's what evolutionist believe. We Christians don't argue w/the science. We have the same science and facts that you do. We believe there is a God who created and ordered all of the universe. The historical facts and evidence back it up. We have a Biblical foundation to back up the science -- evolution is based on man's version of the facts instead of God's version. If we evolved from a sigle cell to apes to humans -- why are we still not evolving? Actually, the people in the past were much smarter than we are today because we are looking at the world through clouded glasses of man's "truth" instead of God's truth. I suggest any reading of Ken Ham's Answers in Gensis collection. He dumbs it down so even an evolutionist like Wild Willy could understand.
[Review of Bill O'Reilly's Culture Warrior]
Unlike liberals who use ghost writers, Bill O'Reilly is the real deal. This book exposes the ACLU, George Soros, the New York Times, and other anti-American liberal extremist organizations for what they are. Just read the reviews on this book, this book drives liberals up the wall -- and they haven't even read it!!
I have purchased nine copies of this book and I will be giving them away as Christmas presents. That's right liberals, I used the word "Christmas". I hope that offends you. Five stars for a great book from a great American.
Do you think drug and alchohol addicts should be drugged and watch TV?
Or would you rather see them learn how to rebuild their health through nutrition, how their conduct effects others, how to study and how to be close to and take care of their families and be successful at a job or in business so that they can start life new with workable tools? Which way makes more sense to you?
Did you know that 98% or more of our criminals can actually be rehabilitated and become ethical?
Did you know that L. Ron Hubbard's program for rehabilitating criminals has the highest success rate of any in history?
Did you know that his drug and alcohol rehabilitation program also has the highest success rate worlwide?
Did you know that heroin addicts can withdraw from a $200 per day addiction without drugs in only 2 to 4 days and that they are often through the worse part before they even think the withdrawls really started? Did you know that this is accomplished without the use of more harmful drugs?
Also,
Do you think we should leave our children to learn from a psychology based system that does not teach or believe in morals but prefers to teach them how to have safe sex, to feel no guilt for their misdeeds and to accept a learning disability label because the system has dropped out the successful methods of teaching?
Did you know that Scientologist children often study in adult level classes as young as age 9?
Did you know that Scientology trained children have the highest literacy rate of any group and the lowest illness rate and that being critical of one another is almost never seen?
Did you know that Scientologist children learn to be tutors usually by the age of 10?
Did you know that Scientologist children know that if they are honest and take responsibility for their misconduct that they will feel happy they did so? Did you know they rarely run into trouble in life?
This is about 2% of the cheers I can give to Scientology from what I've personally seen.
The book "What is Scientology" tells you how Scientology is doing what you want to see get done and surpassing the results you would want to see gotten.
These are results not achieved by psychiatry which is always wanting millions more each year forced out of our tax money. How much has psychiatry's intervention into our educational system helped? Did you know that education's failure is 'because' of psychiatry? If it worked, our education would have gotten better, not worse. That is the bottom line.
Here are the results of the tools that work in all walks of life and that can be used by any religion or group for the betterment of mankind. I recommend this book to anyone who wants to know, "What is Scientology doing?", or who has always said, "I know someone out there has the answers to life"
Examine the statistics and official recognitions for Scientology's successful community service work in the book, "What is Scientology". These are the anwers you always knew someone out there had.
I was so happy to find out that I could be a Scientologist. (My son was a phonics tutor at age 7 1/2 and a professional study skills tutor at 12. He received his High School Dimploma at age 13. He's had only two injuries in his life for which he need minor medical treatment and no illnesses needing treatment, ever. He has never been in trouble or had a problem with behavior that we couldn't communicate through. He learned about ethics, how to achieve high morale through learning and helping and being honest, all very young. Basically he learned "The Way to Happiness".
I will not worry about his future. He has his life fully under control. And when things get tough, he has the tools and friends,to help him to handle anything.
If you have similar rewards as the result of your personal spiritual endowment or from that of others in your life, from wherever it has come, there are things you know that others are needing to know. You will enjoy reading, "What is Scientology".
FINALLY A GOOD BIBLICAL REBUTTAL OF ALL THE LIES PROPOGATED BY DAN BROWN IN HIS FICTIONAL BOOK "THE DAVINCI CODE". CHRISTIANITY IS! UNDER ATTACK IN THIS COUNTRY AS WELL AS AROUND THE GLOBE. ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS EVERYWHERE MUST STAND UP FOR THR TRUTH THAT JESUS WAS! CRUCIFIED ON THE CROSS, THAT HE DID! DIE ON THAT CROSS, AND THAT HE WAS! RESURRECTED BACK TO LIFE. HE IS! THE SON OF GOD, HE IS! DIVINE AND HE IS! THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND!!!! (TO THOSE WHO WILL RECEIVE HIM) SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS!!!!!!!! THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!!!!!!! HALLELUJAH!!!!!!
[In response to the book "The Republican War on Science". Note how Republican=Christian]
This book is just one more culturally bigoted attack against Christianity and against true science.
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blasphemy/lm/RIQWUJFMSQKHW" target="_blank">A short listing of "blasphemous" works of literature with fundie-esque remarks</a>.