I think chimps and other assorted apes were put on this earth to amuse us and capture our interest.

They [Homo neanderthalensis] are identical [to Homo s. sapiens] in as much as Chinese are "identical" to Africans or Dutch. We are all the human kind. If you evos were intellectually honest you'd admit that according to your theory, different races of people should be classed as different "species" of humans....(just as different varieties of bears, polar, brown, black,..etc...are different species of bear.) But of course you evos are scared of political incorrectness, not to mentioned scared of being labled racists, so when it comes to humans, you drop the labels, play dumb, and hope nobody notices. I notice. And it is perfectly clear that ToE is a racist theory at its core.....scientists have long called black people monkeys. shame.

why do evos always resort to long-dead people -- and their ideas -- in reference to science and the human body? Don't you have any modern-day disproof that light isn't a two-way street when it comes to vision?

No fault divorce has been a disaster. If a couple wants to divorce, blame should be assigned to one or both parties for departing their Biblical role as husband and/or wife, and sanction applied to the guilty party. If wrongdoing cannot be done, no divorce should be allowed. No more divorce because "we made a mistake and were young" or "we've fallen out of love."

Evolutionists not being rational
Evolutionists like to argue that Darwin has raised their consciousness, they claim they now know better than the "superstition" of God's 6-day creation. They consider themselves more intelligent & have better critical thinking skills as a result, and that this is advantageous for them, and also think that people would be better off rejecting Genesis and accepting evolution.

Well, if people were better off in life rejecting Genesis and accepting Evolution... then evolutionists would currently be at an advantage in the world. We have to wonder why they would want to actively diminish their advantage by promoting evolutionism to others as this would reduce their survival- that's not rational. Their whole evolution doctrine is about advantageous attributes surviving, whilst those without those attributes would suffer and eventually die away. And, that as this is just nature at work it would not require intelligent intervention. But by actively promoting and seeking to impose the teaching of evolutionism in schools etc. the evolutionists are making interventions in nature.

So, by the evolutionists aggressively promoting evolutionism they're not acting rationally according to what they're promoting.

Oh, I do believe scientific facts. All of them.

I disagree with naturalistic interpretations of many facts.

But the facts are incontrovertible - any of us can observe and repeat
them in a lab.

Of course, evolution cannot be observed or repeated, but has been falsified many times

yet people still call it a 'fact' - which is very strange considering it doesn't even pass muster as a scientific theory.

There are lots of alternative explanations for the things we observe - naturalistic scientists simply pick the ones that agree with what they already believe.

Evoltion is a religion and the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

So I disagree with religion in the public schools - it's pretty simple

Jesus was a real histircal figure, Zeus was not.

Jesus was the incorantion of the divine logos

Zeus as pastiche of the Indo-arian sky father and verious sub metaterranian chieftans.

Jesus is eternal, Zeus is contingent.

huge differences.

Jesus gave his life for the world, Zeus had sex with a lot of women and never did anything for anyone (except in late antiquity but that was under Christian influence).

The homosexuals and lesbians have gained considerable political and social momentum in America. They have "come out" as the term goes, left their closets, and are knocking on the doors of your homes. Through TV, Radio, Newspapers, and Magazines, they are preaching their doctrine of tolerance, equality, justice, and love. They do not want to be perceived as abnormal or dangerous. They want acceptance and they want you to welcome them with open, loving arms, approving of what they do.

In numerous states in America several bills have been introduced by the pro homosexual politicians to ensure that the practice of homosexuality is a right protected by law. Included in these bills are statements affecting employers, renters, and schools. Even churches would be required to hire a quota of homosexuals with "sensitivity" training courses to be "strongly urged" in various work places. There is even legislation that would make the state pick up the tab for the defense of homosexuality in lawsuits, while requiring the non homosexual side to pay out of his/her pocket.

The Christian church has not stood idle. When it has spoken out against this political immorality, the cry of "separation of church and state" is shouted at the "religious bigots." But when the homosexual community uses political power to control the church, no such cry of bigotry is heard. Political correctness says it is okay for the homosexual community to impose its will upon churches, but not the other way around. Apparently, it isn't politically correct to side with Christians. (...)

Finally, with their hardened hearts, they seek to promote their lifestyle in society. This is become more real since homosexuals are gaining strength and forcing those with opposing views into confinement and penalty. So much for fairness. It is okay to demand it for themselves, but they balk at allowing it for those who disagree.

Gandhi beat three black men to death with his bare fists, on different occasions...

It's all true and more.

[Lightwave is bearing false witness a sin?]

It's all true and more.

Interestingly, when Indians come to our shores they are shocked at the reverence we hold for Gandhi, because they do not. Far from it.

You know what may very well be the summit of human emotions for me? It's using my own God-given eyes and making an unschooled, (unbrainwashed) common sense observation of the world that gets laughed at on here because it flatly contradicts decades of established evo "science," only to then have my common sense observation validated by leading academics of the field. I knew virtually nothing about vision when I pronounced that science was being ridiculous for asserting that vision is something that's embedded within the dark confines of our brains. It only makes sense that vision is a two-way street, something that probably happens outside the body, that it's not just about light coming in, but also about light going out and how/when/where these lights meet to help create an image in the mind.

Claiming to fall in love with someone of the same sex is just an excuse they use, so they can try and hide their sin, shame, and guilt, and have sex together, which is forbidden in the Bible ....

So how do we get the Palestinians to stop firing rockets and setting off bombs once and for all? What is their price? Lord knows Israel has tried through the years to offer it, and the answer is always more terror.

No, I've taken the hint. The Palestinians are beyond hope outside a miracle. Satan is too deeply set in their hearts, and all that remains is force. It truly is all they understand. Remember they legally elected Hamas. Terror is in their DNA.

Palestinians are the modern day Phillistines. Israel of old did not negotiate with them because no such possibility existed. Peace only came after King David physically subdued them. The Palestinians must be utterly dominated, disempowered, and devastated.

Atheist? Where do your rights come from?

God is the head of this nation and I think this is tough for some atheist and secularist to grasp.

We get our God given rights from our Creator and the government is set up as a secondary appendage to protect those God given rights but the government gets it's power from the people and not the other way around.

I think this is why you see this split.

Many liberals, atheist and secularist don't believe in God so are rights come from the state. This means the government is almighty and they push for a nanny state.

Most Conservatives have a belief in God and they want less government and more individual control because they believe our individual rights come from our Creator and government is there to protect our rights.

The question is if your rights do not come from a Creator then where do your rights as an individual come from?

If there's no God, then you have no rights except those that other men want to give you.

what childish bs ever gave you the idea that this thoughtless bromide is at all analogous to belief in God?

atheists should be shot for crimes against reason. But us Christians will put in a good word for you.

Tolerance is the furthest these schools promote. You get teachers and principals alike rattling out students whom openly state they don't condone homosexuality. What really occurs is the homosexual community silencing any whom oppose it. You say homosexuality is a sin or shameful and you're labeled bigoted and hateful.

science is wrong. It's morally corrupted it's not good. Its' a lie. Science doesn't' work.

what about all those people science murdered with the atomic bomb?

when you can't expalin something you just say "O science will explain it some day."

science is nothing but a bunch of big pretense. you cant' prove your science, your science has no facts to suppor it.

How you come and show me your play facts that prove scinece and I'll show you how argument from incredulity works. OK>? I refuse to believe science not matter waht the evidence. and any evidence you give me I can make go away by being incredulous about it.

but now show me some evdience becasue there's no evidence for your science.

this is the basic argument I see being made all down the board. Just switch he names. Instead od sience you say historical evdience and logic support belief. but tis' the same argument. I refuse to believe regardless of how well it's proven.

Now I will demonstrate how your game works. I can fend off any scientific evidence you throw at me because I refuse to ever give it any kind of crediecne at all. as long as you refuse to give the other side a fair hearing you hold out this self righteous pretense that you have some mysterious truth that backs you for a long time.

Why not say disgusting perverted whining abomindable gender retarded sluts rather than mis use a perfectly normal term like gay?

God is the head of this nation and I think this is tough for some atheist and secularist to grasp.

We get our God given rights from our Creator and the government is set up as a secondary appendage to protect those God given rights but the government gets it's power from the people and not the other way around.

I think this is why you see this split.

Many liberals, atheist and secularist don't believe in God so are rights come from the state. This means the government is almighty and they push for a nanny state.

Most Conservatives have a belief in God and they want less government and more individual control because they believe our individual rights come from our Creator and government is there to protect our rights.

The question is if your rights do not come from a Creator then where do your rights as an individual come from?

If there's no God, then you have no rights except those that other men want to give you.

"The Three Myths
About Homosexuality

Myth #1

Homosexuality is normal and biologically determined.

The truth...

There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Biological factors may play a role in the predisposition to homosexuality. However, this is true of many other psychological conditions. Research suggests that social and psychological factors are strongly influential. Examples include problems in early family relationships, sexual seduction, and sense of inadequacy with same-sex peers, with resulting disturbance in gender identity. Society can also influence a sexually questioning youth when it encourages gay self-labeling.

Myth #2

Homosexuals cannot change, and if they try, they will suffer great emotional distress and become suicidal. Therefore, treatment to change homosexuality must be stopped.

The truth...
Psychotherapists around the world who treat homosexuals report that significant numbers of their clients have experienced substantial healing. Change has come through psychological therapy, spirituality, and ex-gay support groups. Whether leading married or committed celibate lives, many report that their homosexual feelings have diminished greatly, and do not trouble them as much as they had in the past.

The keys to change are desire, persistence, and a willingness to investigate the conscious and unconscious conflicts from which the condition originated. Change comes slowly, usually over several years. Clients learn how to meet their needs for same-sex nurturance and affirmation without eroticizing the relationship. As they grow into their heterosexual potential, men and women typically experience a deeper and fuller sense of themselves as male or female.

If some homosexuals do not wish to change, that is their choice, yet it is profoundly sad that gay-rights activists struggle against the right-to-treatment for other homosexuals who yearn for freedom from their attractions.

Myth #3
We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.
The truth...
Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.
A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner."

Signs of Christian Persecution

You can see it on this very forum. It's starting out slowly, but it's there. Right on this board I've seen posts where non-Christians are criticizing the hiring practices of religious organizations, church discipline of members living in sin, as well as criticism of Christian stands against homosexuality. A sticky on homosexuality at the top of the board this evening notes the introduction of bills into legislatures around the nation mandating quotas and sensitivity training.

I've been called paranoid when I've stated persecution of Christians is on its way, but you can see the seeds of the enemy's activities being reported and stated right here.

Get ready Christians. Soon it'll be time to pay any price. Give it time. With the election of Barak Obama and leftist gains in the Congress the forces of evil are energized. They see a window of opportunity to advance satan's agenda, and it is almost sure to end in official sanction and unofficial persecution of Christians as we refuse to compromise the Biblical positions.

Chrisitians who voted democrat, you bear a measure of responsibility for what's coming.

The story and history of cats is really quite fascinating. Some people may think cats evolved from dogs...but that's not really quite right. What actually happened was cats and dogs shared a common ancestor. Science calls this creature a "dat," as in, "what's dat?"

And then interestingly, when you go back in time even more, Dat evolved from an even earlier common ancestor, which evidently also split into pigs and cows and whales and bats and camels and apes eventually humans. This mystery creature was called "Blob." Now neither Dat nor Blob has been spotted in the fossil record as of yet, but none-the-less, he somehow split into all kinds of animals, one of which was cats.

("Personally this whole thing could have been solved by not letting any specific religious type symbols in a state capital.")

But then the anti-religious groups would have an outright monopoly on free speech and public expression. Because only religious groups would be banned from exhibiting their beliefs in public which is what Dan Barker's anti-Christians want. People will be fined for preaching the Gospel in public, but Dan Barker and his gang of Hipster Doofuses will be able to shout obscenities at Christians and it will be considered free speech.

There are places were the government is founded on atheistic principles and people are imprisoned and tortured for practicing their religion openly in public. This is what Dan Barker wants to happen in the United States.

If he and members of his gang had the political power that tyrants like Stalin and Hitler had they would do the same things they have done.

The education system is nothing but a thought filter, a mind filter. They force minds to think in certain directions...and if the mind doesn't think in a certain way then it is turned away and/or deemed unsuccessful. The academia in this country is in the business of indoctrinating kids' minds at an early age...and they do this by withholding information and evidence that might otherwise shape their worldview in a way they don't like. As for those who slip through the cracks -- like you and me -- who question the orthodoxy, we are to be ridiculed and laughed at. If we decide to enter a field of science or medicine, we are not to be given jobs and/or we are publically embarrassed. Today's education system offers no room for dissenters. It's run much like a communist block country.

Sadly, many in the world of academics don't get into the profession to help people but to cheat people. They rob people of their humanity, their ability to think for themselves, their ability to question, and the like.

Pink Floyd wrote a song about the psychopathic academia cartel. "We don't need no education" is the result of being educated by the psychopathic academic cartel, in defense to protect their own humanity. What human being would submit to one of these psychopaths? Sadly, some do, and become abusers and cheaters themselves, and joining that mafia against humanity's freedom.

How do you yourself defend against the adademia cartel and resist their psycopathy? Do you give in and say you don't need no education? The best way to go about it is to drop any dealings with them, as doing so allows them to prey upon your mind and soul. Educate yourself and practice respect for your own mind and learning, and don't give your mind and soul to anyone else.

Who knows if Obama is another Luciferian. But one thing is for certain and that is that Obama is mentally deranged and psychotic.

Atheist propaganda comes in many forms. Of course those who propagate atheist propaganda will never admit that they do it. They will even try and convince people that there is no atheist propaganda which is what the posters on this thread are trying to do but in doing this they are taking part in an atheist propaganda campaign. That's the nature of propaganda. It's often very subtle like the serpent was.

Schools could be teaching my kids about how to balance a checkbook or how to be wise with their money or how credit cards work or how to be a people person or how to have successful sales skills or the benefits of owning a home --- or the benefits of buying a car instead of leasing, ALL KINDS OF STUFF about real life --- but no....they teach them all about Martin Luther King and saving the rain forests and darwinian evoltuion and global warming -- all kinds of junk that will never do them a dime's bit of good. Most of it is just pure brain rot.

1) The only moment that exists is the now.

2) Since the only moment that exists is the now, previous moments don't exist.

3) The property of existence is occurance in the present tense.

4) The past never existed.

5) All we have are memories and relics of past moments.

6) Where there is not memory or documentation of past moments, these moments cannot be verified.

Evolution requires both memory and documentation of past moments to be claimed as fact. If you ask me, evolution is so full of holes that scientists have to make up information to fill in the holes. The validity and verification of past moments decreases the further back they go.

Hey -- I know what they could do in China.....since there's now a shortage of girls, all they have to do is start forcing those transexual operations on society and turning some of their unwanted/unneeded male population into "females." Just chop off the manhood, stick a wig on its head and call it a girl. All atheists see is the physical anyway...the atheist commies won't know the difference.....and the "good" news is it can't get pregnant.

I am a Christian, zealous for my faith in Jesus Christ ... Actually, I would have no problem with a homosexual coming to my wedding, as long as they were respctful, and trying to force their ways on anyone, or molest anyone ....

There are different kinds of terrorists. There are the terrorists who physically terrorize and destroy things and bodies, then there are mental terrorists, who destroy hearts, thoughts and minds. Atheists are mental terrorists...they have not only chosen to destroy their own their own heart and mind, but many of them treat their atheism as a religion and attempt to destroy others' hearts and minds. That's why so many atheists seek out Christians forums like this -- they're on an evangelical trip, a mission to destroy.

Two men sodomizing each other is not a protected US Constitutional right. So don't compare people's skin with gay sin. This is not a civil rights issue.

Christian Holidays - Why do atheists keep them?

I've never seen an atheist who's hesitated to give his kids Christmas presents or send them on easter egg hunts. They remind me of spoiled kids who will eat dessert, but not dinner.

("Funny, why do you send your kids on a pagan (my Bible doesn't mention the easter bunny) easter egg hunt?")

I don't. Please do not speak lies about me.

I would never allow my children to participate in anything involving the pagan atheistic aspects that satan has brought into the Easter holiday. I and they celebrate only Jesus' resurection and the forgiveness of our sins.

[in response to questions about the inconsistency of a young earth with the presence of many large craters]

Yes most crators are from after the fall. indeed probably due to a cosmic war between michael an satan as recorded in revealation.

Malaria or TB or AIDs are God's punishment for the sins of man. Nothing happenes without the consent of God. For he is all knowing and all powerful. To find a cure against God is to say that God is wrong.

[Given that most dinosaurs weren't giants, standing about as tall as a man or less, there would be good reasons to hunt them with spears. In fact, even with the giants, a hadrosaur would feed a village. Plenty good enough as a reason to hunt them with spears, bows or anything else.

So, why don't we see spear points in hadrosaurs?]

hadrosaurs aren't actually that small..(I don't think)....and even so, it would be much easier, I would guess, to kill mammals than it would be to kill a dinosaur -- better tasting too.

ironic, so the scientific community thinks the earth started in hell, and then sometime in the future the earth will be swallowed up by the sun and so everything will essentially return to the same fiery hell that it emerged from. So we have two distinct stories: God says he is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, yet the scientific community's "divine" plan is hell in the beginning and hell in the end...hell is the alpha and the omega.... Many of them, I fear, will get their wish.

Small minded fools! I have seen and fought against things that will drive a lesser man insane should he lay eyes upon it. We are in a battle more horrifying then you could possibly imagine. Am are trying to save your souls! God help me for I do not have such patience for the damned. You are like children in a straw hut mocking the one that gazed outside the window to warn you of the wolves at your door!

Repent or be Damned for ever!

Humans are made in the image of God, not animals. This (evolution) is the way of perverting mankind by first perverting the image that humans have of themselves. It also opens people up to spirit possession. The demon spirits just love animal worship, just look at history.

Evolution isn't science. As supersport points out, it just isn't. Microevolution is but there is no valid scientific reason to call humans animals. It is pure hocus pocus propaganda that the spirits use so they can posess humans.

teeth can change size and shape rapidly depending on diet....

[...your foundation is utterly without any evidence. You have no documentation or observation of either heaven or hell or god or the devil. A house built on sand will fall you know. Best build on actual rock.]

Just because YOU need the mioptic mindset even you cannot base FACTS on doesn't say a dam thing about God not being real.

Don't loath what you are so pridefully ignorant of and surely don't play smug with such a pseudo-intellect.

There are many events and such that are real and science cannot prove or disprove and let these things go as unexplained.

Science has learned in recent years that prayer is real and causes factual changes as evidence in the brain and body.
Many things are proven to be seen or known and yet no scientific basis as yet to prove.
Evolution is hardly more than a moronic theory and yet you duh student thinks ya got the facts.

Talk about blind faith!

Happy Thanksgiving to all the mentally deranged and psychotic atheists. May Our Lord Jesus Christ bring you to the knowledge that there is a God and that Jesus is God so that you mentally deranged and psychotic atheists will not spend eternity in Hell with your master Satan.

I can guarantee you one thing and that is that you are not teaching the Ten Commandments in the public school because the Ten Commandments are prohibited from being taught in the public school system. If you are not teaching the Ten Commandments then you are not teaching any morality at all since the Ten Commandments are the only type of morality.

ok...well after helping with science homework tonight, the animated topic of evolution has come up in the SS household. My kids are quite interested in this and find it fascinating that you people believe you evolved from apes...and even moreso, in fact, that you are apes. You should see their looks of disbelief......They are truly concerned and think something must be wrong with you.

I have been told to ask you guys a question or two...please keep in mind that this is their question and your reply is to be directed towards them. Please keep in mind their ages of 13 and 11, and they know virtually nothing about science or evolution....so please keep it nice and age-appropriate. They are excited to see your replies and going to be checking in...not only that but they are going to be responding. Please be aware that my kids have been forewarned that some on here will call me names and/or try to insult me in a variety of ways...so if that feels good to you, go ahead, we're all ok with it....but they do ask that the questions be answered.

Also, all answers on behalf of my name in this thread will be answered by them, unless otherwise indicated.

So the questions are:

Kylie

"If creatures evolved from worms or other primitive animals, then why are there still worms today?"

Katie

"Evolutionists say that humans are apes...so if that is the case why are our mental capabilities so much better than apes, and also, when can we expect apes to start talking?"

one doesn't need a brain to have a mind...ask any developing embryo.

I think this is all ridiculous. All you have to do is look up a Gay Pride parade. It's just promoting their sexual preference and the men all wear dresses and pretty much are mocking females. They are misogynist pigs. How can anyone take them at all serious when you see the "pride" parades. It is so bizarre, it's like one big freak show. And they are loving all the porn exhibitions. Sick. I would show one on here but I'd be banned. It's x rated right in the middle of NYC where children are around. What filth. Marriage? You gotta be kidding. These people want to be monogomous? Whatever.

Oh! It just hit me. The reason why we never hear about plant evolution is because plants don't have sexual intercourse...well, at least not in the way evolutionists like to envision it. See, evos are obsessed with sex, especially if it's forced sex or if it's between two different types of animals, like chimps and humans. But since plants don't do any of that, then they're just simply less sexy of a topic. Science only gets interested when animals have harems or multiple partners, or -- of course -- if they're's any homosexual activity going on...that as well gets them real excited. I suppose the ultimate zenith for science would be evidence of homosexual activity between a Neanderthal and a chimp.

Do you think it is a sin to intentionally look at a picture of a woman on a website? Ok, my example is... I'm looking at Yahoo sports and there is a picture of what I know is probably an attractive woman below in the picture photos. This one happens to be a Golf picture. I click on the picture and I see the picture, but I keep looking at more and more to see more. Ok, I'm pretty sure looking at the first picture probably isn't particularly wrong, but when you continue to look at additional ones, is that sinning? What sin would that be considered? Is it lust? I don't think so because I don't have any sexual desire for the woman, I just like looking because she's attractive. What would it be?

Read my lips.

He is a demon from the pit of hell, serving satan, a marxist, socialist baby killer and I would die before I would ever respect a baby killer.

How much more do I have to say to make it clear. I believe the man could be the antiChrist...........I do not respect will never respect a man that would vote for partial birth abortion or leaving a baby to die...

I will go a step further, I have NO respect for any person voting for him, even if it were my own mother voting for him......

Abortion is terrorism. Anyone with a heart or a conscience cannot look at a fetus and deny that fetus is a living, innocent, defenseless human being. You can rationalize and skirt around it all you want with whatever legalese you want, but in your gut you know the truth. You can deny it all you want, I don't believe your justifications and deep down you know, although will argrue it to the end, they are excuses. May God have mercy on you.