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katyanne #fundie teens-4-christ.org

I believe that interracial marraiges are wrong and unBiblical, and Mrs Debbie and Abby have provided good evidence for that. It is clear in the Bible so human "logic" shouldn't come into it at all. The Bible says what it means and means what it says.

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Well, let's not talk 'religion', let's talk doctrine. There are signifigant differences between what the Bible teaches and what some churches teach. If you are in a church which is teaching things which are different from the Bible (and the Orthodox church does), then you should leave it.

[Bible verses to help make randy's "point]

So, if you leave the false doctrine, what will your Aunt do? She may not speak to you. All over the world, there are people who, when they are saved, are rejected by their families. In fact, in some Jewish communities, if someone is saved, the father can pronounce the child to be 'dead'. They will actually go so far as having a funeral and a time of mourning for them. Then if someone encounters them on the street, they are treated like a stranger or an outsider. Just because someone is saved, their whole family treats them as though they do not exist. There are other cultures (muslims, moron's) where a new Christian is completely rejected by the community: they loose their jobs, police single them out, etc. In some muslim countries, you can be killed for being a Christian.

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

By the way, that answers your third question as well. The world will hate you simply for being a Christian and taking a stand!

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

There are many circumstances where authorities put people in a position where they are called upon to make a choice between serving the authority or God. Employers do this, parents do this, schools even do this when they give you a test asking how old the earth is (they'd mark the true answer, 7,000 - 10,000 years wrong). So what are you supposed to do? Easy!
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

If your parents are asking you to lie, you cannot.

There will even be a day here in the United States when there will be laws against preaching the truth. Already, there are laws on the books in other countries that prohibit people from calling homosexuality a sin. In places, it is against the law to preach the Gospel of Christ from a street corner. Soon, it will be illegal to do so from the pulpit. What are we do to? Obey God rather than man. Pure and simple.

Mrs. Debbie #fundie teens-4-christ.org

I have not worn a pair of pants in 25 years! My daughter, who is 20, has worn skirts, dresses and culottes since the day she was born......She has ridden bikes, run races, played volleyball, climbed trees, ridden horses, gone to the amusement park, been a cheerleader, been in the flag corp of a marching band, ice skated, gone skiing, babysat, worked in the nursery, been apple and strawberry picking, painted, worked in a garden, washed a car, cleaned the house, etc, etc. Her dress standards have not hindered her from doing what she wants to do!

Ashley Brianne #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Thats good Yixzy....!! We are to abstain from all apprearances of evil.. and to Be above reproach! I was babysittin my cousins one time, ages 12, 11 and 5 and the 12 year old had an account on it, an i WAS SHOCKED at wat i saw.!!! The repulsive language that filthy discussions!!!!! I made her get off an i told her that as long as i was here that she wouldn't be on it!!! It was ridiculous, NOT PLACE for a 12 year old NO PLACE FOR THE CHILD OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My brother preached a sermon last nite at teen Prayer meetin.. From The Scripture where it says, Satan goeth about as a roarin lion seekin whom he may devour.
And how jus like a lion watches for the weaker animal, or the animal who has strayed from the pack, Satan does that. and so we are to guard some things so we don't get in th grasps of Satan!!!! our thoughts, our attitude, our prayer life, our walk with God, and our purity!! WE NEED TO USE THE COMMON SENSE that God has given us, whatsoever things are good, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report, Think on THESE things... I don't think My Space, or allot of other things, we as Christians socialize with, are of good report! LETS GUARD out Mind and our Body from corrupt things, b/c SATAN WANTS YOU! HE WANTS TO KILL YOU HE WILL DO NE THING TO GET U TO STOP LIVING FOR GOD!! HE WILL RUIN YOU, don't make it easy on him!!!!!
Jus my thoughts...!!!

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[In response to why those that do not know of God go to Hell]

It does not matter whether someone is in the buckle of the Bible belt or the darkest corner of Africa, the glory of God is still evident to them. The very heavens declare it.

Ashley Brianne #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[Regarding a story where 5th-grade students are busted for having sex in a Louisiana class]

OMY!!! This totally Discusts me!!! my sister is 12!!!!! OMG!!!! I cannnot BELIEVE that this is happenin, especially in a rural area in th south!! I mean 10 years ago, you wouldn't HEAR OF THIS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well i ges since God isn't allowed in Schools then, out Kids can go to the devil now! Wow! I am astonished i have no idea wat to think or say!!!!! Its funny, that only 2% doesn't believe in God, yet we complain about how the World is going to hell in a hand basket, and WE STOP AT WORDS!! we don't do ne thing about it at all watsoever! I cannot believe this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mine eye affecteth my heart!! wow!!!!!!!!!!1

["That's about the saddest thing I've ever heard. What in the WORLD would posess BABIES to enter into such an act. Well, I think we all know what posessed them, but where has the innocence of our children gone? So sad!"]

I know! There is no innocence any more Mrs Kristi! This is y it is our job as parents an older siblings to protect our childrens innocency. WHO CARES that people think we are shelterin or depriving our kids, I MEAN THEY ARE EXPOSED TO ENOUGH at Wal-Mart!!!!!!!!!!!!!! America needs to wake up before GOD WAKES IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

In my opinion, the people interviewed do not represent Christianity. Catholics are not Christian. Mormons are not Christians. Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. Most Protestants are not Christian (saved), in fact, I would say that most people who come to the typical IFB church are not saved (50-60%). Despite what the media might want people to believe, abortion (which is the murder of an unborn child) and sodomy (an abomination against the very body and an affront to the union of the church and Christ) are not the only issues that face us. Homelessness is an issue because it is related to sin. Famine is an issue because (IMHO) it is a judgment of God upon those who have refused Him and utterly turned against Him.

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[Submitted in contradiction to many of Bro. Randy's recent posts]

God established both the church and the civil government, and He gave each its own distinct sphere of operation. The government's purposes are outlined in Romans 13:1-7 and the church's purposes in Matthew 28:19 and 20. Neither should control the other, nor should there be an alliance between the two. Christians in a free society can properly influence government toward righteousness, which is not the same as a denomination or group of churches controlling the government.

Mrs. Debbie #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Baptists never left the Catholic church; we were never part of it; we existed before it did.


Who started the church?

Lutheran - Martin Luther
Reformed - John Calvin
Presbyterian - John Knox
Methodist - John Wesley
Baptist - Jesus Christ

Where was the church started?

Lutheran - Germany
Reformed - Switzerland, Netherlands
Presbyterian - Scotland
Episcopalians - England
Baptist - Palestine

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[The reason i don't particularly like president bush is explained in the cheating of his establishment to get into power, his intellectual incapability to rule a country, and his bias towards certain people for what they did to his father when he was in power.]

What, exactly are you talking about? Intelluctally, he is brilliant. He shows no favoritism. And I cannot see how he has 'cheated' to get into office. If you are referring to the first election - the constitution was followed by the President's team to the letter. It was the opposition who tried every dirty trick in the books to get the dem's elected. Praise God, they were not. I could not imagine what condition the country would be in if a spineless tree-hugger were in office. As for the war against terrorism - would you have the muslims take over the world? Would you have two-bit thugs like Hussein nuke us all? The world should run to the United States and thank us. Instead, fools around the world bash the United States at every turn, until they come under attack. Then, they look to the United States, the single strongest country (and single best) to save them. Just admit it ... you wish you were born an American!

Mrs. Debbie #fundie teens-4-christ.org

["don't believe the church focuses on poverty very much at all"]

First of all, what do you mean by "the church?" Each IFB church is just that - independent. You're making it sound like we are all in some sort of group called "the church" and that we all think the same and do things the same way. We are indeendent because we answer to no one but the Lord and His Word!

As for the poverty issue - our church does not believe in giving hand-outs. The Bible clearly states that if a man is going to eat then he must work. Society has gotten away from that. So many have gotten lazy and would rather accept governmental handouts rather than get off their behinds and work - even a job as "menial" as flipping burgers. There are jobs out there for anyone who has the gumption to work. No where in God's Word does it tell us to support those who refuse to work. I believe it does tell us to care for the fatherless and widows indeed of our churches....

["Churches have done hardly anything to get rid of racial tensions. It would seem that the equality of humans as bearers of the image of God should be something important. Yet Sunday 10 AM continues to be one of the most segregated hours of the week. It was only about 10 years ago that PCC got rid of their ban on inter-racial dating. Yes, abortion is a critical issue, but so is viewing all humans as equal before the throne of God."]

Since when is it a church's responsibility to get rid of racial tension. God did not make it so why should He fix it? Obviously God made different races for a reason so why would He want one race to be the same as another? Yes, Adam was created in the likeness of God....the rest of us are all in the similtude of Adam. He made each race different and in order for that race to remain the way He created it then each race needs to stay within themselves.

I don't know about your church, but our church has all kinds of people - whites, blacks, hispanics.....American, Indian, Romanian, Polish, African, Guyanese, etc, etc...... We all go to the same church. We all sing praises to God together. We all hear preaching together. If THAT is not racial harmony then what is? When it comes to salvation we ARE all equal in the sight of God. ALL are sinners and must come to Him in repentance and faith.

As for the interracial dating - we have covered that somewhere here on the Board before - and it is wrong biblically. Please do a search to find that topic.

["Bad things don't always come from sin."]

All bad things come from sin. When God created the world there was no sin and everything was perfect. It was only AFTER Adam chose to sin that bad things began.

["Bad things don't always come from sin. Instances in the Bible that would support this would be the suffering of Job, the tower of Siloam, and the blind man Jesus healed in John 9"]

Before sin, there was no blindness, no suffering, no sickness, etc. After sin, there was. Rather plain to me that because of sin all of these things have come to be. Was the man blind because of HIS sin? No. But blindness came to this earth as a result of sin..... That is why our bodies decay. That is why we get sick. Not necessarily because of something we personally did but because of Adam choosing to sin in the garden.

In conclusion, the work of a church is to win souls and then train them to do the same. The whole reason the Lord leaves us here on earth after salvation is to go out and spread His Good News. The work of a church is not to be like those churches who have chosen to be the advocates for anti-abortion, etc. Yes, the preachers and pastors need to make known that those things are wrong....but that is not the main goal. The main goal is to win the lost. By winning the lost to Jesus we can stop abortion, poverty, racial discrimination.....why? Because once the person accepts Christ as Saviour, he is a new creature. he has a change of heart...a change of purpose. He is transformed. It is only thru THAT that the world will be changed.

Bro Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[In Response to "What would you do as President?" question]
* Hmm, illegal aliens:
o pass a law to severely punish ($25,000 or more per illegal employee) anyone who hires illegals. Notice, I am not suggesting any punishment here for the illegal - just the ones who entice them with jobs. If we take away the jobs, the illegals will go away too. If the employers know they will pay many thousands of dollars for every illegal in fines, they will hire legal workers.
o Create a guest worker program where it is easy to enter the country to work
o Require anyone on a 'guest worker' visa to check in every week to get paid. Basically, employers would deposit the employee's salary in a bank for the employee. The employee would have to go to the bank and identify himself (thus checking in) to receive his pay.
* Put a 'fair tax' in place and delete the income tax. The fair tax is a tax on consumption - like a sales tax.
* Push for accountability in schools through the use of vouchers.
* Issue a sidearm to every citizen and train the citizens to use them.
* Get back to the constitution
o Remove judges who ignore the law and the constitution (this would eliminate all the 9th circuit judges).
o Establish the definition of the amendments in the Bill of Rights.
o more...
* Establish a 'loss of rights' clause. Basically, if you're in jail for a felony, you have no rights other than basic survival needs.
* Install electric chairs in court rooms used for murder, rape and child abuse trials (you get the idea here).
* Ban all sodomite specific rights.
* Create a 'work-fare' system to replace 'welfare'. A system where people in need are trained to become employable.
* Remove all 'minimum wage' laws.
* Get all religion out of state-sponsored schools (including muslim, humanism, and evolutionism).
* Establish the most powerful, technologically advanced, best-armed, all-volunteer military ever dreamed of.

AprilMayJune #fundie teens-4-christ.org

{The original poster in this thread has just announced that he has been certified as a lifeguard}

Wouldn't it be great if you rescued someone and after you did tell them how to get saved from Hell? They would then realize how close they were to death. Hopefully you could get tons saved by that!

Bro.Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

The 'Dear American' topic was deleted.

It quickly became clear that some of you could not discuss this topic without expressing political views. Though I would love to, we do not discuss politics on Teens-4-Christ.

It was also abundantly clear that some of you have no common sense. Becasue of the latter, it was quite clear that the discussion would quickly turn into a debate.

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

America will not be able to end terrorism. Only the Lord will do that when He returns.

Why don't we take care of the other thugh-run countries? Honestly, there are two reasons: 1) the communist / liberal press would not stand for it. 2) Liberals such as Klinton have literally gutted our military.

As for the WMD's. Do any of you deny that Saddam used WMD's on his own people? What more proof do we need? By the way, if the UN had done their job, we would have found the WMD's a lot sooner.

Why haven't the baltics been attacked by terrorists? Correct me if I am wrong, but these countries, as well as much of europe is rapidly giving in to the muslims. Oh, as for other european countries not being attacked by the mus terrorists...Can we say SPAIN? Can we say Subways? Can we say Bus attacks? Terrorists are attacking at every chance they can - they attack anyone who does not succomb to their perverted beliefs. Why is America the major target? We are a CHRISTIAN NATION that actually stands up for ISRAEL (sometimes). This angers those of the muslim persuasion. This is why they hate us. It is ironic: aside from our worshipping the one true God in contrast with their paganism, they actually tend to idolize the American way of life. You can see this by looking at their young people. They dress and act very American.

Now, finally, false pretences. Well, that is a liberal lie. All you have to do is listen to the true reporters (what few there are), and you will see the truth. Take a look at World Net Daily (www.worldnetdaily.com) Though I do not completely agree with everything they post (they are pro-cATHOLIC, for example), but they have a good take of the news. You should read it.

Bro Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Why haven't the baltics been attacked by terrorists? Correct me if I am wrong, but these countries, as well as much of europe is rapidly giving in to the muslims. Oh, as for other european countries not being attacked by the mus terrorists...Can we say SPAIN? Can we say Subways? Can we say Bus attacks? Terrorists are attacking at every chance they can - they attack anyone who does not succomb to their perverted beliefs. Why is America the major target? We are a CHRISTIAN NATION that actually stands up for ISRAEL (sometimes). This angers those of the muslim persuasion. This is why they hate us. It is ironic: aside from our worshipping the one true God in contrast with their paganism, they actually tend to idolize the American way of life. You can see this by looking at their young people. They dress and act very American.

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

["i'm sorry but i don't like president bush at all, why wasn't there an option for the opinion that he shouldn't have been there?"]

That option wasn't there because God ordained him. Personally, I think he is the greatest president since Regan, and second only to Regan.

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

["The fact is that in the first election, the majority of the black, democrat voting people of Florida were removed from the voting list, for petty reasons, such as having the same name as a criminal.

bush was elected legally for the second term, I will not deny that, but the first election was filled with dirty tricks and cheating."]

You see, this is where you are simply wrong. The only people who were denied the privilege of voting were the ones who were too lazy to register and the ones who legally could not vote in the precinct(s) they showed up at.

Mama Judy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Satan is shrewd..."more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made". He would have us buy into such distorted depictions of politicians. And the Muslim connection just makes the depiction more distorted. It's interesting...Obama claims he is not Muslim...but his name says otherwise. Are we to be lulled to believe there is no tie to the religion who vows hatred for Christians and Jews? I choose not to sleep...

Mrs Debbie #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[On why agreement between Christian groups is bad, and why Billy Graham has fallen from Bro Randy's good graces]

Keep in mind that Baptists are NOT Protestants. We never "protested" and "reformed" like the other religions and denominations. We have been in existense since Jesus established us during His earthly ministry. All other groupd are man-made.

Mama Judy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[The whole thread is filled with hateful ignorance.]

It's interesting...Obama claims he is not Muslim...but his name says otherwise. Are we to be lulled to believe there is no tie to the religion who vows hatred for Christians and Jews? I choose not to sleep...

OnMyKnees #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[In response to the names on the "Jesus Tomb" being Yeshua and Miriam]


That's the funny thing the names wasn't exactly Jesus it was Jesua and Maraime (sp?). It wasn't the exact name Jesus and Mary. That's what I find funny. lol

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Exo 20:13 is dealing with murder, not a justified killing. There are times when the Lord ordains killing: wars, punishment for crimes, etc.

Now, you asked why would God kill someone who was hell-bound and not someone who was heaven-bound? After all, once someone is saved, it makes sense that they would want to leave this perverse and wicked world to live eternally in heaven, right? Wrong. The saved have a mission in the world. We are to take the gospel of Christ to the world so that others may be saved. As for those who are hell-bound? They have rejected God. Once you reject God, every breath you take on this side of eternity is a gift of God and an example of His grace. Nevertheless, there is a point when the grace of God comes to an end.

Marksman #fundie teens-4-christ.org

God ordered the children of Israel countless times in the Bible to go in and completely exterminate whole countries killing everyone. Why did he do that if it was against his commandments? Because it was as Bro. Randy said, it was justified killing. The nations had sinned against God, and done sins worthy of death so God used Israel to wipe them out. God also commanded Israel to stone many people for certain wrongs they commited under the law. The punishment was death for many of the sins(murder, adultry, fornication, ect...). So there is a difference in murdering the innocent, and killing the ones who deserve it. That is the reason that I support Capital Punishment.

Bro. Randy #sexist teens-4-christ.org

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jesus is plainly saying that if a man looks at a woman and lusts after her, he has committed adultery with her already. One of the definitions of 'with' is: So as to be touching or joined to. The clear point is that Jesus is saying they are both guilty of adultery. The reason for the man's guilt is obvious. The woman's guilt is not as clear. She has set a trap for him - she has enticed him.

[snip]

Now, the sad thing is: the average, seemingly moral high school girl is more revealing in her attire than the harlot of Proverbs 7. Even more sad is the fact that these girls are causing men around them to commit adultery with them by the way they dress.

Isaiah3q #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[re: anime]

I totally agree with you Bro Randy, I too have watched a few episodes of certain animes and I too did not like what I saw, from what I hear most of all of the anime comes from a wicked game called ( I'm not sure if I can post the name, so I'm sorry if I wasnt allowed to) but the roots of anime comes from dungoens and dragons.....anime is full of witchcraft,and I for one have chosen not to watch it or to let my little brothers watch it,....once again,I'm sorry if i was not allowed to post the name.sorry Bro.Randy.......but theres my 2 cents of it.... some poeple have chosen to watch it, but i am NOT going to at all, it is nothing more than a stumbling block for a Christian to get caught up in witchcraft later down the road, and it looks extreme from the view point of today, but it will lead up,...most of all pornography addicts started out looking in jcpenny catalogs, and it led up to an addiction,im not saying that watching anime will lead up to you out of God's will and doing witchcraft, but noone is above anything, anyone can fall. It takes someone who will settle it now not to watch or do certain things in life so they will not stray out of God's will. but once again, that is MY opinion, im sure not EVERYONE will agree with me, but to each thier own....

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[re: anime]

We have forced ourselves to watch a few episodes of the series you mentioned. There is nothing Godly about it. Even if there were, when you try to mix the Holiness of God with the unholy (such as demonic creations), you end up with an unholy product.

[...]

Now, if that is not enough, I have yet to see an anime or magna female figure which was drawn to even remotely appear modest. In fact, the opposite is true - the 'clean' anime and magna are almost pornographic. The music in this series is horrible and the symbolism is demonic.

Geno #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[Most of the atheists (and agnostics too) that I've met at the university level have been highly intelligent, thoughtful and well-studied people. In fact, when discussing theological and other issues, I greatly prefer their company over like-minded believers, who can usually only spout off what somebody else has told them w/ little original thought or study.]

So you're non-denominational but in a university? And you "greatly prefer" to hang out with atheists and agnostics because they're such originalists. If you don't mind me asking, then why are you posting here? I've still never met one that had ever read, much less understood, the Bible. The internet's crawling with those types.

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

"Men should be covered and not wearing skin-tight clothes. Though women are typically not stimulated by sight, as men are, our world has so perverted sensuality that now women are looking a men's form, and lusting after them."

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

[I'm having mixed feelings on this. If someone murders another person as a criminal act is it against the Christian worldview to take their life in return. Isn't that in return Vengeance?]

Throughout Scriptures, we clearly see that God wants to judge the murderer and He wants us to send them on to their judgement.

As for the taking of a murderer's life, Gen 9:6 gives us a clear command which has not been retracted: "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

Bro Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

There are many who disagree with the position we have chosen. There are even those in the conservative, fundamental Baptist circles we travel in who mock us. People also mocked Christ as He hung on the cross. If we are able to convince you, and you alone, to wait to begin dating until you are ready to be married, we have accomplished our goal and the mocking will be worthwhile.

Bro Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Moothers can look at a girl and see through the polite attitude and pretty face down to the heart of the girl. They can tell you if you have fallen for the wrong type of girl, or confirm that the girl you are interested in is a good choice. Fathers can also help their daughters in the same kind of way. They understand what is in the heart and mind of the young men, and how the intentions for the innocent young girl are not so innocent. In addition to this, your parents can also give you a way of escape from someone who may not be right for you. Since their authority is final, if they say you should not see someone, the discussions is settled.

Bro Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Satan uses music as a very powerful influence in our lives. If you study some of the music of pagan tribes, you will see that it is the music itself that causes the tribesmen to enter into trance-like states. Some have described certain types of contemporary music as hypnotic as well. There is no doubt that most popular or contemporary music is designed to bring about carnal desires. Knowing this, you should flee from these types of music.

Mrs. Kellie #fundie teens-4-christ.org

I am not saying that every woman that is raped was dressed immodestly. I was answering the scenario that lemuel gave to me. He said that she tempted him, and then said no. I think that in today's world that everywhere a man looks there are women dressed immodestly, and that causes the struggle to begin within each man. Many times it consumes his thoughts, and he can think of little else. Some men can control themselves, and some can't. You never know what man can or can not handle the constant onslaught of nakedness. The man who rapes will most likely be looking for an opportunity to present itself no matter how she is dressed. And for those who say that rape is not about lust but about power, then why rape? Why not just beat them? Yes the rapist should be held responsible and punished, but I think that every woman that dresses immodestly, every centerfold, or playboy bunny, every stripper lap dancer, or porno queen should share some of the responsibility for what they have driven the rapists to.

Bro Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

In many cases, pornography has been attributed to becoming something of a stepping stone. Some have began by looking at the lingerie section of mail order catalogs, then progressed to images of full nudity, then to sex acts, and so on. Eventually, what may have begun as simple curiosity becomes desire. Then, that desire can no longer be satisfied through the images. In some of these cases, the pornography has led men to commit sexual crimes. Most of those who have committed rape will admit that the seed to their desire to commit their crimes was pornography.

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