Erasure, hate, and other forms of prejudice towards people who do not cleanly fit into the anatomic sexual binary.
Sorry— the human race is binary. You can call yourself non-binary all you want— but you’re still either born a male or female. Males and females are a binary.
1-2. 2-1.
No amount of makeup, wigs, clothing or feelings will change the objective reality to which is our biological makeup.
People have lost all hope in a distopian nightmare that was once called “America”. We are told not to trust our eyes and to “believe the science.” Unless the science has to do with gender. We are on the edge of a civil war, a world war, and a culture war. In the absence of god, there is only taylor swift
RE: Gender Ideology should be questioned in every court case with questions about the 2 types of gametes in reproduction.
( jelliknight )
Exactly. The bottom line is anyone who has ever produced a single sperm IS MALE and anyone who has ever produced a single ovum IS FEMALE. No exceptions.
"Sex its complicated... something about mushrooms ...intersex... etc"
Sex can be complicated, but its also extremely simple and verifiable in 99.9% of humans. Have you ever menstruated out of your vagina? Youre female. Ever ejaculated out of your penis? Youre male. Made it to sexual maturity without doing either? You have some kind of condition and need to see a doctor for further testing (where they will, almost every time, be able to tell you for certain if you are male or female).
There are a few cases where an individual does fall into a grey zone, e.g. Turner Syndrome […] who could technically be said to be of neither sex. But thats absolutely irrelevant to transgenderism. Everyone else, DSD or not, is either on the Y chromosome/teste/sperm side or the X chromosome/ovary/ovum side.
"Oh but hormones... micropenis... something about social category"
Irrelevant. Sex only exists in the context of sexual reproduction, which in humans has exactly two roles; big gamete and small gamete. Thats reality. No amount of negotiation or external factors can change that.
( NastasyaFillipovna )
Till last year or so, they were conceding the point that there is a difference between Sex and Gender, ie, a Woman, and a female. But now, they have gone full unhinged into claiming that they are females.
So whatever rational arguments you present, its not gonna matter. The previous generation had it right in te first place, that these guys have a Mental disorder, like they show in the movie "Silence of the Lambs".
It should be categorized as such again, and provide them the mental care they need, not the "Surgical care". We don't say an alcoholic that they need the better tasting alcohol, we cut out their suppl/y
( OwnLyingEyes )
Agreed. Not only that, gametes are literally the definitive difference in how the sexes are classified, so the constant attempts to side-step that fact and be all 'but chromosomes sometimes have extra Xs!' or fixating on secondary sex characteristics are a pretty glaringly obvious attempt at sleight of hand.
[Context: description of a book written by the fundie in question.]
A wave of madness and intolerance is sweeping the Western world. Originating in American universities, woke religion is sweeping everything in its path: universities, schools, companies, media and culture.
This religion propagates, in the name of the fight against discrimination, dogmas that are at least unheard of: Gender theory professes that sex and the body do not exist and that consciousness is what matters. Critical race theory asserts that all white people are racist, but that no racialized person is racist. Point of view epistemology argues that all knowledge is situated and that there is no objective science, not even exact sciences. The aim of the wokes is to deconstruct all cultural and scientific heritage and prepare for the establishment of a dictatorship in the name of good and social justice . It is all this and much more that Braunstein explains and contextualizes in this The Woke Religion , supported by texts, theses, conferences and essays, which he cites and explains at length, to denounce this new religion that destroys freedom. A shocking and salutary essay.
Analysis: What If Woke Liberals Didn't Get To Label Everything?
Introducing the Washington Free Beacon Alternative Style Guide for Reporting on Issues of Controversy (ASGRIC)
It goes without saying: The mainstream media is run by liberal activists. This ideological bias manifests itself in several ways, including the words journalists are allowed to use when discussing controversial issues.
(1.5 paragraphs of hyperbolic whining about how journalists are forced to write)…
The woke words and phrases used in media reports would make a lot more sense to the average American if these people weren't in charge—if journalists were forced to abide by the Washington Free Beacon Alternative Style Guide for Reporting on Issues of Controversy (ASGRIC):
Undocumented immigrant → Foreign-born fugitive from justice
Gender-affirming care for minors → Child abuse
LGBTQQIP2SAA+ rights → Gay rights
Drag Queen → Gender appropriator
Abortion → Extrajudicial fetal assassination, anti-life health care
Death penalty → Justice affirming care
Assault rifle → Freedom friend, justice dispenser
Racially inclusive → Racially obsessed
Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion → Six-figure consulting fees
Black Lives Matter → Scam PAC
Pro-Palestinian activist → Jew hater
Teachers' unions → Anti-child activists
Tax cuts → Restorative justice
Democracy dies in darkness → Democracy thrives on Jennifer Rubin columns
War on Women → Kinetic military action against individuals with an active uterus
#MeToo era → Brief period of anti-male activism from 2017 until Tara Reade's credible accusation of sexual assault against Joe Biden
Speak truth to power → Leave Joe Biden alone
Hillary Clinton → Crooked
Long Covid → Mental illness
New York City Subway → Public toilet
WNBA fans→ Liars
Soccer → Performative falling
Bicycle → Morally abhorrent nerd-conveying road hazard
Happy Holidays → Merry Christmas
God bless you → God bless America
( hard_headed_woman )
I've included this in Gender Critical for obvious reasons! He's a man. Furthermore, as bad as it is that women have to deal with the likes of him larping as a woman, I understand his situation is somewhat different from your normal garden variety larper. HOWEVER, how is this going to affect trans identified males in women's sport? Surely, the court realizes Castor has a male body, albeit with abnormal exterior genitals? If those idiot judges can say that Castor is a woman, what about other men larping as women?
I am so furious.
( WatcherattheGates )
This issue is interesting, because it is clear the sports organization doesn't want to come out and say what everyone knows--Semenya is a male. As a result, they made "her" lower her testosterone levels. I say that was a big compromise for the sports org to make.
But if that is not enough for Semenya, then the truth will have to out. Semenya may have been registered at birth as female, but that was a clinical mistake. They are male with genital anomalies. Period.
( hard_headed_woman )
But is it a clinical mistake?
Society can't imagine a man going through life with deformed genitalia, so he's always turned into a woman.
I get the feeling that his family always knew or knew early on.
RE: Genuine conundrum about certain people with CAIS
( Positronic_waves )
Sorry for this person, but I want to be kind to women. That means being unkind to men, rapists and in the very rare minority and some unfortunate souls with CAIS. If you never develop correctly as a man, it doesn't mean you are a woman. We are not a faulty male. Caster [Semenya] is a guy, who lived like a male except for competitions then he is a woman. I think natal sex is important, then puberty levels. If we have to exclude some CAIS people to let women win at something, we should do it. They say it never happens until they had 11 CAIS men winning womens athletics. When the difference is -10% of performance not being born a woman actually matters.
( Wokeuplate )
I think transgender and intersex are two different issues and the genderists, as per the uze, latch onto intersex as a way to stealth themselves into legitimate discourse, much the same as they did with LGB. It’s literally part of their playbook. Transgender is based on Gender Identity, which is an idiosyncratic, subjective belief system, unhinged from material reality. Intersex/DSD is a biologically based condition and has nothing to do with gendered souls or lady brains or myfeelz. The intersection between these two issues is competitive sports, where there can be male body advantages that accrue to CAIS people which have to be addressed in order to ensure fair play.
It’s really important when talking about transgender people to keep intersex as a separate topic. The recent debate with Colin Wright was frustrating in that he let very narrow examples relating to DSD be used as a proxy for TIMs. Since 99.98% of the world is not intersex of the type which gives rise to ambiguous genitalia and phenotype presentation, it is not useful to lump gender identity trans with DSD and say that they need to be addressed and accommodated similarly.
( FlorenceBlue )
IMO, still male. What we choose socially to do with that info is up for debate.
( viscerally )
Male, yes. But a woman still. In this extremely rare case, that in no way is similar to the case of trans women, I can confidently say that a male person can also be a woman - if she has the outer body of one and was brought up as one and would have always been believed to have been one of it weren’t for genetical testing.
( FlorenceBlue )
No such thing as male women.
ANYONE that uses "pronouns" should be cancelled. This is the EXACT PROBLEM. look if your a man and you dress up like a woman and put on makeup you are NOT A WOMAN. And you CANNOT FORCE ME to be a part of your mental illness. Period. NO amount of hormones or makeup will EVER change your DNA only 2 sets of chromosomes XX AND XY THAT 100% FACT AND you can't FORCE me to go against FACTS AMD TRUTH.
Shoutout to straight community that receives undeserved hate and prejudice. Living under constant heterophobia and are threatened with acts of violence from extremists.
Ladies and gentlemen, let’s celebrate. Pride month is over!
I do not care what people do in their own homes. But it seems this year was worse. It was in and on everything. If there is one thing the left does well, it is to intrude on your life and shove their ideals down your throat. Let’s enjoy the next eleven months.
[Context: the following is an excerpt from the description of a video by Professor Dave Explains, where he tries to debunk Matt Walsh’s nonsense]
Since the moment I published this video, it has been targeted by the most disgusting and malicious mob of trolls I have ever seen, far beyond what I ever conceived possible. These are trolls who comment from dozens of sock accounts at once, calling me "groomer", "pedophile", "soy boy", telling me that they bet I watch my wife fuck other guys and then clean up afterwards, the most subhuman things imaginable. They then harvest any reaction they get to call me "triggered", pasting these responses in new comments without context to slander me, and then follow up with abject lies about things I've said or other people have said. The rest of the trolls employ a strategy of outright denying everything in the video and claiming victory, or spamming nonsensical rebuttals in an attempt to change the narrative. There is something heinous behind this concerted attack on reason, simply for exposing Matt Walsh for precisely what he is. It has become an enormous stress, and for this reason comments will be turned off on this video until this otherworldly wave of toxicity has found another target. My outlook on the state of this country has been permanently affected.
RE: CAIS women
I have no problem considering persons with CAIS as though they were girls and women socially. Biologically, however, they are XY, SRY gene positive males with a DSD that occurs only in males. The sex development and health of females who have the same exact genetic mutations that cause CAIS in males are completely unaffected by those genetic anomalies. Because only male sex development is driven by and dependent on testosterone produced by the testes, and only males can have faulty male androgen receptors.
Also, socially doesn't mean medically. For the sake of people with CAIS's own health and wellbeing, it's crucial that their male sex, genetics and male-only DSD be acknowledged and kept front and center when it comes to matters like medical care, assessing their risks for developing certain diseases, anticipating how diseases will affect them, and treating the diseases and health conditions they develop. Their sex also needs to be taken into account when estimating their life spans for purposes of planning and budgeting for their old age and purchasing longterm care insurance.
their bodies are fully incapable of using testosterone from basically birth, meaning they have no functional male anatomy for basically their whole lives.
But persons with CAIS all develop and are born with testes that produce massive amounts of testosterone, usually in the high end of the normal male range, or exceeding the top end of the normal male range. At birth, CAIS testes also contain the gamete germ cells that in other males will later on develop into sperm. Some researchers today are predicting that with advances in assisted reproductive technologies, the time will come when persons with CAIS will be able to become biological parents.
How exactly do you figure that testes that pump out massive amounts of T and contain male gamete germ cells don't count as "functional male anatomy"?
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RE: CAIS are men, not women, and prove sex is binary
A female is not: "identifying" as female, growing up as female, socializing as female, dressing up as female, and "passing as" female.
A woman, a female, is an organism that can bear offspring and/or produce eggs under the right conditions.
CAIS are males with an inability to respond to androgens. The product of the inability is a male with a pseudo-female like appearance, creating the illusion of a female.
Beneath the layers, CAIS have no internal female sex organs - no uterus and no ovaries. They have testes - the male gonads that produce sperm. Their bodies were supposed to support the production of sperm and failed. They are men in every sense of the word.
The only reason they even know they are intersexed is because of modern medicine
The reason humans know they are humans and not another specie is modern medicine, and study of genes. Surely you wouldn't claim humans were not humans before they learned of what separates each specie.
CAIS were not women before modern medicine. They were disordered men.
(Context: the comments under a viral video about oral sex with trans men for gay guys is full of harassment and/or fundies such as this)
This is what seperates the L & G from the rest of the alphabet soup. L&Gs fought for domestic rights like marriage, partner inheritance rights, workplace rights etc. Qu--r anarchism fights for an unlimited age of consent free pansexualised eden and regards so called "monosexuals" as ignorant untermenschen for not wanting to do wild exotic things like buggering horses or f-sting seven year olds. Qu--r theorist Guy Hocquenghem in his "Screwball Asses" gives the game away by talking about how so called gay "nationalists" will probably end up protesting that their rights to self-identify as such will be swept away by this great revolutionary wave. He also says that by making frequent usage of the term "intersex" (irrespective of the reality of the medical condition it supposedly describes) will help to shatter the concept of a strict binary and allow for this brave new world to take over. This has been a part of the "Q" philosophy from the very start (alongside age of consent abolition of course).
Gunman kills 5 at LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs before patrons confront and stop him, police say
(CNN) -A 22-year-old gunman entered an LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs, Colorado, just before midnight Saturday and immediately opened fire, killing at least five people and injuring 18 others, before patrons confronted and stopped him, police said Sunday.
The suspect in the shooting at Club Q was identified as Anderson Lee Aldrich, according to Colorado Springs Police Chief Adrian Vasquez. He used a long rifle in the shooting, and two firearms were found at the scene, Vasquez said.
At least two people inside the club confronted and fought the gunman and prevented further violence, Vasquez said. “We owe them a great debt of thanks,” he said.
[…]
Of the 18 people injured, several are in critical condition with gunshot wounds, though the exact number was unclear, officials said.
The suspect is being treated at a hospital, police added. Officers did not shoot at him, police said.
The Florida Department of Health wants to clarify evidence recently cited on a fact sheet released by the US Department of Health and Human Services and provide guidance on treating gender dysphoria for children and adolescents.
Systematic reviews on hormonal treatment for young people show a trend of low-quality evidence, small sample sizes, and medium to high risk of bias. A paper published in the International Review of Psychiatry states that 80% of those seeking clinical care will lose their desire to identify with the non-birth sex. One review concludes that "hormonal treatments for transgender adolescents can achieve their intended physical effects, but evidence regarding their psychosocial and cognitive impact is generally lacking."
According to the Merck Manual, “gender dysphoria is characterized by a strong, persistent cross-gender identification associated with anxiety, depression, irritability, and often a wish to live as a gender different from the one associated with the sex assigned at birth.”
Due to the lack of conclusive evidence, and the potential for long-term, irreversible effects, the Department's guidelines are as follows:
* Social gender transition should not be a treatment option for children or adolescents.
* Anyone under 18 should not be prescribed puberty blockers or hormone therapy.
* Gender reassignment surgery should not be a treatment option for children or adolescents.
* Based on the currently available evidence, "encouraging mastectomy, ovariectomy, uterine extirpation, penile disablement, tracheal shave, the prescription of hormones which are out of line with the genetic make-up of the child, or puberty blockers, are all clinical practices which run an unacceptably high risk of doing harm."
*Children and adolescents should be provided social support by peers and family and seek counseling from a licensed provider.
These guidelines do not apply to procedures or treatments for children or adolescents born with a genetically or biochemically verifiable disorder of sex development (DSD). These disorders include, but are not limited to, 46, XX DSD; 46, XY DSD; sex chromosome DSDs; XX or XY sex reversal; and ovotesticular disorder.
The Department’s guidelines are consistent with the age requirement for surgical and non-surgical treatment. These guidelines are also in line with the guidance, reviews, and recommendations from Sweden, Finland, the United Kingdom, and France.
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I doubt women's sports will be saved. I think that even if they make some guidelines drawing a line in the sand, the line will be weak and modern medicine will make it very easy to "stealth trans" and include intersex people, who may become the new major talking point for inclusion as self-id inevitably is seen as the naked wrong it is (at least for sports).
So womens' sports may indeed be doomed, even if it will peak a lot of people. Why? Theres too many nefarious countries wanting medal prestige at any cost. Think about what China already does to its dissidents. They also punish family members of dissidents, just for being related. No doubt they will trans some number of children in brutal soviet-type experiments and get a rash of gold medals on these stealth trans athletes, either they will force it or it will be coersive due to how poor and desperate their own population is. They may already be doing this or have been doing this. I really wish it wasn't doomed. but that's how it is. Right now is when we need some kind of trans male she-hulk because its a slippery slope from here I think, and if we got some team of Kobe Bryants from Belarus or something beating the shit out of the competition that might peak people enough.
But I digress.
The end of it is only going to happen when the massive scale of child abuse (via child medical experiments) is exposed. However, god only knows this coud take decades or even a century. Think of how long the Boy Scouts of America lasted before their shit was exposed. Think of the Catholic Church. And the trans religion truly is a new religion. The most dangerous one yet, possibly, as it literally has no morals, no obvious tenants besides self-destructive transgression and no central organization.
RE: DSDs - How to cut the Gordian knot?
(Submitters note regarding context: discussion about what intersex conditions should categorically exclude someone from women’s spaces)
I would exclude Swyer, CAIS and all other males with DSDs.
Put simply, it's not simply the presence of male sex hormones/ testoterone during development that leads to the physical advantages that males have over females. The presence of female sex hormones during normal development during puberty and afterwards lead to physical disadvantages for women that CAIS males do not experiences.
For example, CAIS males have a height advantage that women do not. Estrogen causes epiphyses to fuse and so women tend to stop growing taller shortly after they reach puberty.
In addition, women develop wider hips to accommodate childbirth, but this is at the cost of an increased likelihood of injuries and a less efficient running stance. See https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/q-angle and https://www.livescience.com/59289-why-men-run-faster-than-women.html . Biological males who have never had any of the benefits of testosterone do not experience the disadvantages from estrogen, which would still give them a leg up on women.
RE: Genuine conundrum about certain people with CAIS
( Maplefields )
Technically a man, but I wouldn’t have any problem with him in our facilities because socially he passes for a woman and was conditioned as a woman from birth. However, I would have a problem with him in female sports due to fairness.
Edit: This unfortunate CAIS individual shares some physical features with women, but women are more than just boobs and a vagina. Sex isn’t cosmetic. Men and women aren’t cosmetic. So many physical and developmental processes are different between men and women as a result of the evolutionary process to get humans to produce gametes. That’s why he’s not a woman to me. Despite having androgen insensitivity, every cell in his body is XY and he will need male (human) oriented health care. Human male = man.
( xy_equals_guy )
People with significant DSDs are not a problem, and are welcome into women's spaces as they have been raised female and lack the male "weapon". However, they are HUGELY over-represented in womens' sport, and even more so on medal podiums. This is deeply unfair and they have caused far more damage to women's sport than TIMs ever have. This is because a DSD male won a legal case in the 80's to be considered legally female in sport, then the floodgates opened and women's sport has been swarmed with testical carriers ever since.
No DSD male will ever be physically equivalent to females, even the CAIS ones. For example, even if CAIS males somehow had the exact same skeletal structure, collagen structure, lung capacity, heart size, increased red blood cells etc as equivalent XX females (and there's no proof that they do), they inherently lack the reproductive cycle of women. For example, progesterone and oestrogen both affect collagen and thus injury potential, and this is always changing in natal women. CAIS individuals never have this variation to adapt to and work around. They will never have the risk of motherhood to affect their athletic potential or end their career.
They can be honorary women, but their should never have imposed whatever male anatomy they have on women's sport. It is so unfair. Another blatant example is Brittany Griner, but we're not allowed to talk about it.
Yes, technically it's easy enough to discover they have it. With the NIPT so cheap that it's come into extremely widespread use, and prenatal sonograms the norm even amongst poor people in poorer nations, fetuses whose karyotypes don't match their genitals are now being identified in the womb. Eventually, no one with CAIS and various other DSDs resulting in external anatomy inconsistent with their chromosomes and genes will be able to claim they didn't find out until puberty.
But that doesn't change the fact, nor will it change the fact, that legally it's not easy to keep persons with CAIS out of women's sports AT ALL. And in my comment, I was solely addressing your claim that it is "easy to keep them out of sports," which is entirely separate to the matter of public toilets - an issue that in the case of CAIS I don't care about and is not something I want to waste time getting into here.
The Caster Semenya case is soon to be heard by the European Court of Human Rights. Semenya is backed by every international "human rights" organization in the world, most of the MSM on the planet, all the powerful institutions in the Western world/Global North, including most major law firms in Europe and the Americas, and all the African and pan-African political organizations with clout and influence. The only country with a large population where the government and the general public seem to be strongly against Semenya and other XY DSD athletes being allowed into women's sports is India.
In this climate, and with all the legal decisions that have been made since the late 1980s, pray tell what exactly are the strategy and legal arguments for keeping CAIS out of women's sports? How are you - or "we" - gonna keep CAIS athletes out when the IAAF/WA have failed in being able to keep out athletes who have a range of other XY DSDs that leave no ambiguity about them being male, and there's no question that they possess the same exact male advantages that all normally-developed males do?
It was "easy enough to discover" that Martinez Patino had CAIS in the mid 1980s when MP sued the IAAF/WA. In fact, MP only sued because the mandatory sex chromosome and genetic testing then in place for all athletes seeking to compete in women's elite international sports easily discovered that MP is XY with CAIS. Yet MP won anyways, and female athletes have been losing out ever since.
XX, XY, other -- It's a simple blood test - not a "pronoun" you get to choose inflict upon others depending on which way the wind blows out of your wherever that day.
XX: good to go! Please board the bus to the FEMALE barracks.
XY: good to go! Please board the bus to the MALE barracks.
Other: thanks for applying, but we don't have the resources to expend on your special physical and mental care. Ask the special folks with psoriasis how they serve humanity, OK?
Simple, see?
XX + XX = FAIL
XY + XY = FAIL
XX + XY = Human