That God is the source of the information in the Bible is an underlying assumption.
>Why would you make such assumption?
Because, the Bible states this.
>Ok, but why should a claim that God exists and is the source >of such text should be assumed?
Because, the Bible states this.
That's the problem with evotion, it's not based on the real world but on something off a guys computer. Artie beleives that science should be based on the real world and not a made up dream land.
[After making the comment that the majority of doctors are Christians, 'On a quick scan I interpret the data to suggest that physicians profess religiousity pretty much like the general population, but say that their professed faith affects their behavior less.']
Even if its right, it shows that your wrong anyway cause most scientists are hardcore heathens. Almost all biologists are athiests, but the useful ones are Christians. Docters want to help people. They don't need to waste time proving that God doesn't exist like you guys do. The helpful sciences are where you find the Christians. If they were better Christians, they would be even better at what they do.
Atheists also don't get into medicine as much cause there philosophy doesn't call them to serve others, only themselves. With the lawsuits the docters don't rake in the bux anymore. Athiests don't like that and drop out. That's why heathen countries are looking for nurses and doctors all the time.
If you were walking in a bikini in the street, there is a high chance of getting your ass tapped and eventually getting raped. The USA is no for rape because of lack of dress code.
MOHAMMED is the most COMMON name in the world!
Not Darwin.
Live with it.
Lets see:
1.) Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and in most Western countries.
2.) Islam is the second largest religion in the world.
3.) Islam is the only path to God.
4.) People are willing to die for Islam.
Darwinism:
1.) Shitty idea to justify black people to be primitive.
2.) Leads to the rejection of God due to intellectual arrogance.
3.) It's a fastly dying dogma.
4.) People dont give a shit about evolution.
5.) Delusion.
The bottom line is that Terri's husband wanted her dead. He and his cronies did everything in their power to kill Terri. They succeeded. God help us. The next Hitler is coming.
(Michael Schiavo looked after her for about seven years before giving up hope.)
Is not marriage supposed to be for sickness and in health? Is not death supposed to be the end of marriage?
Oh... I get it... Terri was "already dead", correct?
If Terri was "already dead" as the utilitarians claim, then Terri's husband should have considered himself to be a widower, and then he should have buried her promptly instead waiting seven years to do so, and he should have not waisted all that time and money to get a court to pull out a feeding tube on Terri's "corpse" before burying her.
The graveside would have been a little uncomfortable in that situation since Terri would have been BREATHING when being buried, and she likely would have been CRYING in horror as they closed the casket and dropped her into the grave... but hey, you know, she was "already dead", correct? Why not dispense with the formalities of pulling a feeding tube?
I've heard that 0 is mathematically considered a number. Anyone got a proof that 0 is a number?
[My girlfriend is a surgeon. She had a 400 pound man throw a PE (pulmonary embolism) into his lungs and die. She was still upset about this guy dying for days afterwards. Conditions were lining up inside this guy to kill him. But it still bothers her.]
Thank God that we still have physicians out there such as your girlfriend.
If the people who murdered Schiavo had their way, then they would find a way to eliminate your girlfriend. You underestimate the determination of the lovers of death.
Just because people kill in the name of Islam doesnt mean Islam endorses it. Atheism is a death cult, Islam is far from it.
(On yet another thread abot Terri Schaivo: "The Hippocratic Oath is outdated, and actually is seen as such by many, many people.")
Yeah... those outdated oaths are of no value, correct?
The morals embodied in them are simply not hip, correct?
Bring on the death squads! We are in a NEW situation! This is the time to eliminate the undesirables. This is the time to decide who deserves to live and who does not! This is the Darwinian revolution!
Viva la Darwin!
>What makes one person’s faith more reliable than another person’s faith?
The more reliable faith is that faith which is true.
(Jagella, the parts of her brain that have to do with conciousness were GONE, you seem to be arguing that someone without arms can throw a baseball. You can not determine her condition by watching a video.)
No. I'm arguing that a person who can throw a baseball has arms. Terri could respond--albeit to a very limited degree--to people and other stimuli. She then must have had a consciousness.
But then, I'm really not arguing anything anymore. It occurred to me a long time ago that there's no way I can prove anything to people who will not accept any evidence that runs counter to their cherished beliefs. (It's much like debating the resurrection with fundamentalist Christians.) If I do respond to any comments or questions on this thread, then it's just my way of trying to inform people. If that information is rejected, then I can do no more.
(Or we could not force people to undertake those risks when they don't want to reproduce.)
Yes, it's better to live in a lawless world where anarchy reigns. Why force them to not kill? Why force someone into not blowing your brains out for their convenience, say, a theif? What a shitty world, where you're not free to do these things!
Get serious.
[You've already been called on the sheer idiocy of attempting to make a diagnosis from a picture]
I never made a diagnosis. I simply looked at the photograph and formed my own judgment as to whether Terri (Schiavo) was or was not sentient. Forgive me for thinking for myself.
I know that it is partially due to errors in early scientific models, but our solar system seems to have a lot in common with an atom or cell. the oort cloud of asteroids could even be some sort of membrane. As things get larger and larger or smaller and smaller, there could be a pattern that holds up infinitely in both directions. Maybe there are tiny aliens living on electrons, who, five minutes from now will evolve into higher beings and organize sub-atomic particles into new cells. This could correspond with humans living on the planet Earth, who, in five zillion years will evolve into higer beings and say "let there be light" in order to create new universes. I mean, there must be some reason why god made us in his image and lets us fool around with evil.
Oh, trust me, I can debate this with facts......
How is death worshipped by the left? Well first of all they're obseessed with digging up dead bones. They're obsessed with digging up dead monkey bones, dead dinosaur bones etc.
Another form of entertainment is exhuming graves and cemetaries. They love this stuff. They love stealing jewlery off dead corpses.
They're also obsessed with digging through skulls and analyzing corpses with picks and chisels.
They also love dead animals and theories that give glory to a dead, demoralizing past.
Genesis is also habitually scoffed at -- the beautiful story of life -- and they try to wiggle their way out of existence by insisting that we're all random accidents. In their mind they need to play like life didn't actually have a true beginning.
But of course it doesn't stop with the science.....
Have you noticed that the hollywood left is obsessd with making movies and documentarys about slaughter?...and how they have a morbid fascination of suffering? How they make so many movies about bloody war? And people dying? And AIDS? Have you noticed how they turn a blind eye to corrupt leaders who execute their own citizens?
Of course abortion (death to infants) is the sacrament of feminism and liberalism.
And the left is also obsessed with sticking up for people who murder people. -- they want THESE people to live, ironically. No death chamber for killers.
And have you noticed how they'd love to make suicide (death to self) legal?
Have you noticed how the notion of Jesus DEFEATING death makes them ill?
Definition of Adaptivity
a•dap tive•ness or ad ap•tiv i•ty ( ad p-t v -ty ) KEY (Noun)
Definition:
1. Readily capable of adapting or of being adapted: an adaptive worker; adaptive clothing for children with special needs.
2. Capable of adapting or being adapted: adaptable, adjustable, elastic, flexible, malleable, pliable, pliant, supple. See CHANGE
3. To change something, oneself, to fit new circumstances, etc; to make something suitable for a new purpose.
4. To alter or modify something...especially as it relates physiologies and the environment.
5.An obvious biological process that has been largely ignored by the scientific community for the past 100 years;
6. Is often accepted and denied at the same time in an attempt to confuse and disorient the masses.
5. Can quickly lead to new phenotypic changes in animals—ie—color, shape, structure, and more can all be quickly modified; Can give the illusion of evolution.
6. Has the unique ability of completely overthrowing and dismantling a scientific theory that has completely brainwashed a large segment society and led to mass depression, disappointment and disillusionment.
7. Inspired Charles Darwin to write “The Origins of Species” in an attempt to get around it. Has likewise inspired many others to dedicate their lives and write literally millions of pages of convoluted nonsense in order to get around it.
8. Has been denied and ignored by teachers and other assorted intellectuals, especially as it relates to evolution.
6. Ignorance of contributes to wide-spread conspiracy and brain-rot in the scientific community and general public.
7. Has the ability to break hearts and bring chaos into the disillusioned upon discovery.
8. Gives empowerment to the uneducated; Makes impotent the intellectually superior.
9. Embarrasses, harasses, utterly humiliates some; Soothes others.
10. Changes lives.
11. Makes suitable for a new purpose.
12. Can bring about process of change; can cast away old.
Ultimately does consciousness exist in all feedback at every level of nature? I say yes.......I mean everything is made up of atoms. Ultimately atomic particles are made of wisdom, and wisdom is the product of thought – and thought is the result of consciousness. God is truly in everything! His thought is everywhere—and ultimately, thought is the originator of everything that’s around us -- including us....and thought ultimately responds from feedback. Feedback can be physical, mental, or spiritual....and ultimately God is in harmony with Himself.
When God gave permission for some of His male creatures to go take certain female creatures as captives (for the sake of procreation), do you call this rape? Call it rape if you want ... but I'm not calling it rape if it's by the will of the Creator. For only God knows what each of us deserves.
['You're avoiding the question. Andrea Yates acted on those beliefs. Why didn't God stop her, if it wasn't actually His will? If it was His will, what the hell are you doing grovelling and worshipping Him? He's a monster.']
Why didn’t God stop (Andrea Yates) (or Hitler or the countless serial killers)? Maybe because no one asked Him to intervene.
(On 14-16 year olds getting pregnant)
It is beneficial for dumb fucks to be forced to live with the consequences of their dumb fuckery.
The moment you stop caring about this world is the moment you become a Christian ... because only a Christian will hate this world and every worldly thing in it
[Talking about the gods of other religions]
The gods that are created as figments of people's imaginations are such imaginary gods that suit the imaginers' needs and give them comfort.
If God says it's ok to kill people, then killing the people that God ordered to kill is not going against His holiness
Oh, and nowhere in the Bible does God allow rape.
I didn't come to Jesus by my intelligence and neither will you my friend.
Prophecies are symbolic. They will be accurately fulfilled, but not literally
['Really? So donkeys really used to talk?']
No ... only that donkey in the Balaam story ... that was a special case ...
['Er . . . no. They might be called gay pride, but really that's a misnomer. Gay pride parades are really a celebration of tolerance and diversity between everyone.']
We aught to have more parades condemning tolerance and diversity between everyone. (Happy smilie)
[Yeah, the whole non-emphasis on freedom isn't what I want. Sorry.]
Freedom? There is an intrinsic difference between Freedom and Liscence. Do you really want freedom? Or do you want liscence?
I define Freedom as the ability to tend towards what is best. Insofar as I am concerned, Fascism and Catholicism lead towards what is best.
Liscence is the ability to do what one wants, regardless of whether or not it is best.
I honestly don't care about your rights. If it were up to me, all Atheists would be burnt at the stake and or cast into a river with weights tied to their ankles and or placed before the firing squad, etc etc etc.
[We're not commies. We're just smart enough to realize that social conservatism = social fascism.]
I am in support of social fascism.
[Any ideology that only defends its own civil rights is inherently hypocritical.]
I sincerely don't like hippies. (Angry smilie)
I shall pray for the conversion of your daughter to the true Faith, which is Christianity. May Almighty God bless your grandmother for her meritorious attempts to free your daughter from the bonds of infidelity to the LORD. Jesus suffered and died for her.
You, on the other hand, deserve to be brutally beaten for keeping your daughter from coming to the Lord. Jesus said "Do not let these little ones from coming to me." Jesus loves the little children, for we are to be like children in our faith.
A surprising percentage of people who support euthanasia have a long list of people they think should not be kept alive. The consciousness of most vocal supporters of euthanasia can be compared with that of the supporters of Nazism.
When one persists in disputing with them they often "get nasty" and show their true colours.
They want to kill people they don't like.
[Here's a hypothetical scenario. In Nazi-occupied Poland or France, a Christian is involved in the resistance, getting Jews out of the country before they can be killed. This Christian is identified and captured. He knows that once he is interrogated and tortured, there's a good chance he'll talk and betray the resistance. Therefore, not wishing to put anyone else's lives in jeopardy, he commits suicide. He understands what he is doing, wills himself to do it, commits the act and doesn't repent. Does he still go to hell for trying to save his friends by his death?]
The ends does not justify the means.
[I never once prayed for my two daughters ..... But guess what? They've done fine regardless.]
It always occurred to me that people at the extremes never have the troubles that those in the middle do. It is those in the middle who are half-hearted in their commitment to God or not so dedicated to Satan who seem to have problems. If Satan is real (which I believ him to be), why would he harass a man like you when you are one of his best people?
Can you imagine a Twilight Zone episode based on your daughters' lives who eventually die and then find themselves standing before God, and all they can say is, "But Daddy said you didn't exist."
Given that God is also omnipotent, would not a rational, loving, and fair minded person be petitioning God even now, and encouraging everyone else to petition God, to control the hurricanes and prevent them doing damage (except to evil-doers)? If the rational, loving, and fair minded person does not do this, does he have a right to complain or should he just admit that he is not really rational, loving and fair minded?
['I thought that Schiavo was in a vegetative state.']
I thought that having club feet is not worthy of being kept alive.
Again, Schiavo was only the beginning. If you think that a "vegetative state" is not worthy of life, then why should a person with club feet be allowed to live?
BTW... Schiavo was not in a "vegetative state". Such a term is deplorable, and is Himmlerian.
How life arose is unknown, how could that be from a bunch of know it alls? Who would question everything biblical. For as much smug hand waving over the authority of the scripture, you don't know how life came into being? Yet you will trumpet the theory of evolution all over the world, as if it's prove able, when you haven't even observed how all this life can start.
Yet you tell me I don't know anything.
Godidit is looking better all the time.
Nothing is enforceable in today?s church, anyone can break away, claim to be Christian, and teach whatever they want (ex. Mormons) This cannot be allowed. Dogma and theology must be protected. We cannot allow people to break the teachings of Christ and miss use them as their own.
In order to protect the good name of Christ, I believe we need a police force that would identify and expose heresy, and discipline it as set forth by the decision of the church. (ex. rejection from the church, removal from teaching position). Call it what you will, I prefer Inquisition, because that?s what it was meant to do. Call it Fluffy Bunny Jesus Patrol for all I care, but still something must be done. We can?t take the sawdust out of our friend?s eye without first taking the plank out of our own. How can a generation be awoken without first making sure that heresy is not being taught?
Is it not just for God to release a sinner, if another (i.e. his son stands) in his place and receives in himself the full punishment he deserved?
Homosexual partners are not being discriminated against. What our society currently does is discriminate in favor of heterosexual marriages.
The methodology utilised by atheists is virtually indistinguishable from the theories conveyed by the Scientologists (at times). If atheism was ever considered an established religion ...it would be Scientology. Scientology is in fact the "atheist religion".
I find it odd that atheists are the most adamant..when.. concerning the authenticity of Scientologism... in Actuality atheism and Scientology are kindred spirits.
Australia was founded by convicts and criminals who came from British islands. It was one of the reasons to, relatively easily, promote such practice in this country where majority of population still consists of compassionless Anglo-Saxons with criminal genes who do not hesitate to kill others.
If "good" exists, then something must conceivably exist that is "not good". If we know that a murderous, genocidal, maniac is not a good person, then there must be someone or something that is good.
If God orders the mass killing of hundreds of men, women, and children, does this, by itself, necessarily mean that God is a murderous, genocidal, maniac? I don't see how it follows.
If there were not a real God, there would be no reason to have counterfeits.
[So you can judge whether God is good or evil. You've just handed us the stick to beat your idol with. And since contrary to your second answer, according to the Bible Yahweh does annihilate a great many people.
If annihilation is the act of an not-good being, Yahweh must be not-good.]
Yahweh is-good by restraining His Justice and excercising Mercy to allow even a remnant of the species to survive. Besides - it did not seem to impact our capacity to fill the Earth...
I don't think terms like "moral" and "immoral" can be applied to God. Perhaps to "a god", in the sense of a supranatural entity that has much power and demands respect/obedience. But that's not what we're discussing - we're discussing the Christian conception of God as creator and sustainer of all. I simply can't see how such a God can be thought of (especially by His creatures!) as moral or immoral...